Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[United Marxist Nations]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

I think it's a good idea.

[Diopolis]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

Recommended: Introduction to the Devout Life

[Luminesa]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

Recommended: Introduction to the Devout Life

THAT'S MUH FAVORITE BOOK!!!!!! *Squees and fangirls.*

[-Fahrong-]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

God Is Reality: Metaphysical Knowledge and Spiritual Realization - Seyyed Hossein Nasr
Most Christians Are Not Born - Metropolitan George (Khodr) of the Byblos and Botris (Mount Lebanon)
Cosmological Vision of St. Maximos the Confessor - Vincent Rossi

[Novsvacro]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

I recommend The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything: A Spirituality for Real Life by James Martin.

[Camaalbakrius]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

Anything and Everything by GK Chesterton

[New confederate ramenia]

What do you guys think of having something similar to what boards on 4 and 8chan have with a "recommended reading list". Like, have book and website recommendations on various topics? Or do you think that is taking too much of an involvement in things that should be left to a priest?

Anything and Everything by GK Chesterton

Lewis too

[Philjia]

So how do you all justify the defiance of Exodus 22:24 and Deuteronomy 23:20 (Among others) upon which the global economy relies?

[United Marxist Nations]

So how do you all justify the defiance of Exodus 22:24 and Deuteronomy 23:20 (Among others) upon which the global economy relies?

As far as the latter goes, the Orthodox Church at least still considers all interest loans sinful. Hence why the Russian Church is trying to set up a non-interest loan service.

[The Princes of the Universe]

So how do you all justify the defiance of Exodus 22:24 and Deuteronomy 23:20 (Among others) upon which the global economy relies?

Who said everyone thinks it's justified?

[Czervenika]

Hey, hey. I've been computerless, but I'm alive.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Hey, hey. I've been computerless, but I'm alive.

Noice.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Hey, hey. I've been computerless, but I'm alive.

What happened?

[Czervenika]

Hey, hey. I've been computerless, but I'm alive.

What happened?

Mine's been dead for months, but I haven't been able to afford repairs. I was using my sister's spare for awhile, but then the entire OS got wiped. XP though since it was an older computer.

[The Princes of the Universe]

What happened?

Mine's been dead for months, but I haven't been able to afford repairs. I was using my sister's spare for awhile, but then the entire OS got wiped. XP though since it was an older computer.

Ouch.

[Czervenika]

Mine's been dead for months, but I haven't been able to afford repairs. I was using my sister's spare for awhile, but then the entire OS got wiped. XP though since it was an older computer.

Ouch.

Yea, sucks. I've been exclusively mobile for awhile now.

[The Alma Mater]

Ouch.

Yea, sucks. I've been exclusively mobile for awhile now.

Why not install linux on the spare laptop ?

[New confederate ramenia]

So how do you all justify the defiance of Exodus 22:24 and Deuteronomy 23:20 (Among others) upon which the global economy relies?

As far as the latter goes, the Orthodox Church at least still considers all interest loans sinful. Hence why the Russian Church is trying to set up a non-interest loan service.

Islamic Banking and Orthodox Banking ftw

[Nusaresa]

As far as the latter goes, the Orthodox Church at least still considers all interest loans sinful. Hence why the Russian Church is trying to set up a non-interest loan service.

Islamic Banking and Orthodox Banking ftw

pssst malaysia no.1 in islamic banking

just ignor 1mdb scandal and najib kang kung razak

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So how do you all justify the defiance of Exodus 22:24 and Deuteronomy 23:20 (Among others) upon which the global economy relies?

Well, I mean if you read those verses, they're very clearly referring to Israelite on Israelite money loaning. Charging interest is, in and of itself, not wrong, and is thus not what we would consider part of the moral laws. It's what we would consider part of the "ceremonial" or the "tribal" laws, like don't wear polyester etc etc. They prescribe practices that distinguish Jews from Gentiles. Especially the Deuteronomy one,

These laws are part of the old covenant, and do not transfer into the new covenant: "Ephesians 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace."


Now the Exodus one, is a bit more inclusive in its conditions "5 “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest."

While this still is not a binding resolution to us Christians as we are not Israelites, there is a moral truth hinted at here: Love thy neighbor. If a family member, or a friend falls on hard times, and needs to borrow money, just lend them the freaking money, don't try to take advantage of them and profit off them. It's should be an act of mercy to lend them the money, not a profit opportunity.

This however, is a different scenario from say a Banking institution, where I don't have the capital on hand to purchase a car, so I borrow money from the bank to buy the car. If you want to start a business, and need start up capital, you can borrow money from a bank. That's not a charitable action on their part, it's a business investment. Granted many do reach out to banks in time of need for emergency capital, but that is not the primary purpose of the bank. Also you know ahead of time that they are not a charity, they are a business, and you must consider carefully who you borrow money from.

Lastly, even if we want to consider charging interest an immoral act, there's something to be said for a necessary evil or "better the devil you know" While they banks charge interest, they're also highly regulated (more so now than in the past) and can only go about certain avenues to reclaim their money. Their existence while questionable, does provide a measure of protection against other evil men who are not bound by such restrictions, aka loan sharks.

[The Alma Mater]

As far as the latter goes, the Orthodox Church at least still considers all interest loans sinful. Hence why the Russian Church is trying to set up a non-interest loan service.

Islamic Banking and Orthodox Banking ftw

You mean the "if we do not call it interest Allah/God will be totally fooled" loans ? Aka "bank buys for 200k, sells it to you for 300k - and the 100k difference is totally different from interest, yessir" ?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

While this still is not a binding resolution to us Christians as we are not Israelites, there is a moral truth hinted at here: Love thy neighbor. If a family member, or a friend falls on hard times, and needs to borrow money, just lend them the freaking money, don't try to take advantage of them and profit off them. It's should be an act of mercy to lend them the money, not a profit opportunity.

I would say go further than lending the money and just give it to them.

Personally, if I give a friend or a family member money I don't hold them to pay me back it. I just give it to them because if I didn't have the money to help them I'd say "sorry, I don't have it".

I've learned never to do loans to family and friends.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

While this still is not a binding resolution to us Christians as we are not Israelites, there is a moral truth hinted at here: Love thy neighbor. If a family member, or a friend falls on hard times, and needs to borrow money, just lend them the freaking money, don't try to take advantage of them and profit off them. It's should be an act of mercy to lend them the money, not a profit opportunity.

I would say go further than lending the money and just give it to them.

Personally, if I give a friend or a family member money I don't hold them to pay me back it. I just give it to them because if I didn't have the money to help them I'd say "sorry, I don't have it".

I've learned never to do loans to family and friends.

Well, situation dictates. For instance my dad loaned me 9k to help me move so I could go to Yale. But he couldn't just write that off, I'm sure. So I've paid back half so far and he's not charging me interest.

IF you can afford to just give the money away, that's you're prerogative to do so, but it's not usually the case in my experience.

[Urran]

Anyone else watching Awakening Europe?