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What is your denomination?

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Eastern Orthodox
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Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
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Anglican/Episcopalian
36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
12%
Methodist
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4%
Baptist
67
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
55
7%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
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3%
Other Christian
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:24 am

So, with Christmas about to start, what are yall's favorite carols?
My favorite carol overall is "Gaudete, Christus est Natus", along with "The little drummer boy", "Patapan", and the Spanish carol "Riu riu chiu".
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:28 am

Diopolis wrote:So, with Christmas about to start, what are yall's favorite carols?
My favorite carol overall is "Gaudete, Christus est Natus", along with "The little drummer boy", "Patapan", and the Spanish carol "Riu riu chiu".

Hmmmm...
"God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen"
"What Child is This"
"Adeste Fideles"
"God Bless You" (A song by Bing Crosby, it's adorable)
"Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" (speaks of the Incarnation, so I count it.)
"Silent Night"
"The First Noel"

I like old traditional hymns. ^^
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:30 am

Luminesa wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So, with Christmas about to start, what are yall's favorite carols?
My favorite carol overall is "Gaudete, Christus est Natus", along with "The little drummer boy", "Patapan", and the Spanish carol "Riu riu chiu".

Hmmmm...
"God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen"
"What Child is This"
"Adeste Fideles"
"God Bless You" (A song by Bing Crosby, it's adorable)
"Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" (speaks of the Incarnation, so I count it.)
"Silent Night"
"The First Noel"

I like old traditional hymns. ^^

I do quite like Adeste Fideles.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:30 am

Diopolis wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Hmmmm...
"God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen"
"What Child is This"
"Adeste Fideles"
"God Bless You" (A song by Bing Crosby, it's adorable)
"Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" (speaks of the Incarnation, so I count it.)
"Silent Night"
"The First Noel"

I like old traditional hymns. ^^

I do quite like Adeste Fideles.

Especially when it is done in Latin. :3
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:39 am

Diopolis wrote:So, with Christmas about to start, what are yall's favorite carols?
My favorite carol overall is "Gaudete, Christus est Natus", along with "The little drummer boy", "Patapan", and the Spanish carol "Riu riu chiu".

I'm a sucker for...

Hark the Herald Angels Sing
Silent Night
Joy to the World
Angels We Have Heard On High

and many, many others.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:58 am

Luminesa wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So, with Christmas about to start, what are yall's favorite carols?
My favorite carol overall is "Gaudete, Christus est Natus", along with "The little drummer boy", "Patapan", and the Spanish carol "Riu riu chiu".

Hmmmm...
"God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen"


*high fives*
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:19 am

Luminesa wrote:"Adeste Fideles"

Here you go. :hug:
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Postby Constantinopolis » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:00 pm

I must admit that Christmas is the one Christian holiday for which I often prefer Latin Christian hymns rather than Orthodox ones. The Western tradition has generally elevated Christmas to a much more important status than it holds in Orthodoxy, and I think this is theologically problematic, but it has prompted Latin Christians to write wonderfully triumphant Christmas hymns, whereas Orthodox hymns for Christmas generally do not sound all that special (that is to say, they sound largely the same as the hymns for the other Great Feasts; Christmas in Orthodoxy is regarded as being "merely" one of the 12 Great Feasts, not an extra-special occasion over and above the others).

But having said that, here are some Orthodox Christmas hymns!

Hymns in Arabic
Hymns in English
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:18 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:I must admit that Christmas is the one Christian holiday for which I often prefer Latin Christian hymns rather than Orthodox ones. The Western tradition has generally elevated Christmas to a much more important status than it holds in Orthodoxy, and I think this is theologically problematic, but it has prompted Latin Christians to write wonderfully triumphant Christmas hymns, whereas Orthodox hymns for Christmas generally do not sound all that special (that is to say, they sound largely the same as the hymns for the other Great Feasts; Christmas in Orthodoxy is regarded as being "merely" one of the 12 Great Feasts, not an extra-special occasion over and above the others).

But having said that, here are some Orthodox Christmas hymns!

Hymns in Arabic
Hymns in English


What's theologically problematic about celebrating Christ being born among us?
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:29 pm

Hashemite Arabiyah wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So, with Christmas about to start, what are yall's favorite carols?
My favorite carol overall is "Gaudete, Christus est Natus", along with "The little drummer boy", "Patapan", and the Spanish carol "Riu riu chiu".

I'm a sucker for...

Hark the Herald Angels Sing
Silent Night
Joy to the World
Angels We Have Heard On High

and many, many others.

I see I forgot another group of hymns I like. :hug:
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:29 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:I must admit that Christmas is the one Christian holiday for which I often prefer Latin Christian hymns rather than Orthodox ones. The Western tradition has generally elevated Christmas to a much more important status than it holds in Orthodoxy, and I think this is theologically problematic, but it has prompted Latin Christians to write wonderfully triumphant Christmas hymns, whereas Orthodox hymns for Christmas generally do not sound all that special (that is to say, they sound largely the same as the hymns for the other Great Feasts; Christmas in Orthodoxy is regarded as being "merely" one of the 12 Great Feasts, not an extra-special occasion over and above the others).
But having said that, here are some Orthodox Christmas hymns!
Hymns in Arabic
Hymns in English

What's theologically problematic about celebrating Christ being born among us?

Pascha does kind of wind up playing second fiddle to the Nativity in the west.
Pro dolorosa Eius passione, miserere nobis et totius mundi.

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Postby Constantinopolis » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:41 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:What's theologically problematic about celebrating Christ being born among us?

Pascha does kind of wind up playing second fiddle to the Nativity in the west.

Right. That's what is theologically problematic about it. Christmas has been elevated so much in Western popular culture that it has overshadowed Pascha/Easter as the most widely observed Christian holy day. This is not the fault of any Western Church - it is the fault of popular culture - but the Churches should fight against this trend, and they are not really doing so.

It is good to celebrate the birth of Christ, of course, but not so much that it rivals the Resurrection.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:51 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:I must admit that Christmas is the one Christian holiday for which I often prefer Latin Christian hymns rather than Orthodox ones. The Western tradition has generally elevated Christmas to a much more important status than it holds in Orthodoxy, and I think this is theologically problematic, but it has prompted Latin Christians to write wonderfully triumphant Christmas hymns, whereas Orthodox hymns for Christmas generally do not sound all that special (that is to say, they sound largely the same as the hymns for the other Great Feasts; Christmas in Orthodoxy is regarded as being "merely" one of the 12 Great Feasts, not an extra-special occasion over and above the others).

But having said that, here are some Orthodox Christmas hymns!

Hymns in Arabic
Hymns in English


What's theologically problematic about celebrating Christ being born among us?


I believe it might be because the emphasis on celebration of Christ's birth may be seen as implying as it being more signification than the resurrection.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:56 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Pascha does kind of wind up playing second fiddle to the Nativity in the west.

Right. That's what is theologically problematic about it. Christmas has been elevated so much in Western popular culture that it has overshadowed Pascha/Easter as the most widely observed Christian holy day. This is not the fault of any Western Church - it is the fault of popular culture - but the Churches should fight against this trend, and they are not really doing so.
It is good to celebrate the birth of Christ, of course, but not so much that it rivals the Resurrection.

Materialism is quite the curse. :(
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:03 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Pascha does kind of wind up playing second fiddle to the Nativity in the west.

Right. That's what is theologically problematic about it. Christmas has been elevated so much in Western popular culture that it has overshadowed Pascha/Easter as the most widely observed Christian holy day. This is not the fault of any Western Church - it is the fault of popular culture - but the Churches should fight against this trend, and they are not really doing so.

It is good to celebrate the birth of Christ, of course, but not so much that it rivals the Resurrection.

Hmm I kind of see them as two sides of the coin, honestly. His birth, equally as important S his death. Kind of go hand in hand
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Postby Aelex » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:18 am

Joyeux Noël/Merry Christmas everyone!
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:00 am

Aelex wrote:Joyeux Noël/Merry Christmas everyone!

Merry Christmas!
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:03 am

Luminesa wrote:
Aelex wrote:Joyeux Noël/Merry Christmas everyone!

Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas my French friend!

Aelex wrote:Joyeux Noël/Merry Christmas everyone!


Merry Christmas!
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:04 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas my French friend!

Aelex wrote:Joyeux Noël/Merry Christmas everyone!


Merry Christmas!

:hug:
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:10 am

Luminesa wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Merry Christmas my French friend!



Merry Christmas!

:hug:


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Postby Hakons » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:09 am

Aelex wrote:Joyeux Noël/Merry Christmas everyone!


Joyeux Noël!

To the hymn discussion:

O Come O Come Emanuel

This is currently my favorite Christian song. It's not exclusively for Christmas, but it is often sung at this time. It references the coming of Christ to Israel, so it could refer to Christ being born in Israel or Jesus returning to the world in the Second Coming. This song sums up the need for Christ. My favorite lines come in the second verse:

O come, Thou Rod of Jesse, free
Thine own from Satan's tyranny.
From depths of Hell Thy people save
And give them victory o'er the grave.

The refrain for the hymn fits well with Christmas as it calls to celebrate the Christ:

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

This is, of course, the English version of the song. The original song was written around the 13th century and had the Latin title Veni Veni Emanuel.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:57 am

Wesołych Świąt! :hug:
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:05 am

Why is everyone celebrating Christmas 2 weeks early?



I jest.

A very happy Gregorian Calendar Christmas to everyone in the CDT.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:08 am

Happy Birthday Jesus!
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Postby Czechanada » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:55 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Why is everyone celebrating Christmas 2 weeks early?



I jest.

A very happy Gregorian Calendar Christmas to everyone in the CDT.


Obviously Christmas should be celebrated on the 13th of December according to the superior Calendar of Numa.
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