Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[Hakons]

I might be stretching it, but liberal theology in German Protestantism helped Hitler implement Nazism as most Protestants let their morality be swayed by fascist power.

Any sources?

I could look for some, but it was more of a general analysis. Liberal theology really took over in Germany in the early 1900s. Liberal theology essentially changes long-held belief to be more suitable to the time at hand. These changes usually lead to people caring less about Church and the morality of their religion. Hitler was able to get large numbers of Germans to do terrible things. This suggests their morals were not seen as being sacred enough to keep. I think this absence of a moral backbone comes partially from liberal theology.

"Cheap grace is preaching forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession. … Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

[Nordengrund]

Not with staying power, however.

The sarcasm being I'm not aware of any liberal denomination that is growing. While American Protestantism is changing, it's more of a shift from historical denominations to nondenominationalism. While this will probably cause issues, it's not a shift to liberal theology. Most nondenominational churches are quite literal to the Bible, which is not exactly a hallmark of liberal theology.

I've been reading a lot about evangelicals embracing Anglicanism and high church Lutheranism.

[Philjia]

Any sources?

I could look for some, but it was more of a general analysis. Liberal theology really took over in Germany in the early 1900s. Liberal theology essentially changes long-held belief to be more suitable to the time at hand. These changes usually lead to people caring less about Church and the morality of their religion. Hitler was able to get large numbers of Germans to do terrible things. This suggests their morals were not seen as being sacred enough to keep. I think this absence of a moral backbone comes partially from liberal theology.

It's a more large scale weakness of the church in action. People are rarely encouraged to truly act on their own initiative. They sit and they listen, but they don't think. A population used to engaging with religion in that way make for ideal pawns, regardless of the material delivered.

[Hakons]

The sarcasm being I'm not aware of any liberal denomination that is growing. While American Protestantism is changing, it's more of a shift from historical denominations to nondenominationalism. While this will probably cause issues, it's not a shift to liberal theology. Most nondenominational churches are quite literal to the Bible, which is not exactly a hallmark of liberal theology.

I've been reading a lot about evangelicals embracing Anglicanism and high church Lutheranism.

I have not seen that in my local area, but it's possible it may be happening in other areas.

[Hakons]

I could look for some, but it was more of a general analysis. Liberal theology really took over in Germany in the early 1900s. Liberal theology essentially changes long-held belief to be more suitable to the time at hand. These changes usually lead to people caring less about Church and the morality of their religion. Hitler was able to get large numbers of Germans to do terrible things. This suggests their morals were not seen as being sacred enough to keep. I think this absence of a moral backbone comes partially from liberal theology.

It's a more large scale weakness of the church in action. People are rarely encouraged to truly act on their own initiative. They sit and they listen, but they don't think. A population used to engaging with religion in that way make for ideal pawns, regardless of the material delivered.

If you believe Christians don't think, you know nothing of Christian history, or religious history, for that matter. The rise of Hitler was partially due to lack of strength of the Church in Germany.

[Philjia]

The sarcasm being I'm not aware of any liberal denomination that is growing. While American Protestantism is changing, it's more of a shift from historical denominations to nondenominationalism. While this will probably cause issues, it's not a shift to liberal theology. Most nondenominational churches are quite literal to the Bible, which is not exactly a hallmark of liberal theology.

I've been reading a lot about evangelicals embracing Anglicanism and high church Lutheranism.

Anglicanism is an odd denomination, simply because there's so much variation within it. There's modern Catholics, relaxed Catholics, traditional Catholics, liberals, evangelists open evangelists, conservative evangelicalists, centrists, and more.

[Nordengrund]

I've been reading a lot about evangelicals embracing Anglicanism and high church Lutheranism.

Anglicanism is an odd denomination, simply because there's so much variation within it. There's modern Catholics, relaxed Catholics, traditional Catholics, liberals, evangelists open evangelists, conservative evangelicalists, centrists, and more.

I almost joined them myself, but I chose Quakerism. That said, I still have great respect for Anglicanism.

[Fauxia]

I've been reading a lot about evangelicals embracing Anglicanism and high church Lutheranism.

Anglicanism is an odd denomination, simply because there's so much variation within it. There's modern Catholics, relaxed Catholics, traditional Catholics, liberals, evangelists open evangelists, conservative evangelicalists, centrists, and more.

That's true in Catholicism too though. You see a lot of fighting between progressives and traditionalists, liberals, conservatives. I'm Catholic myself, so...
But I'm sure it's like that to some degree in other denominations, albeit not as much

[Nordengrund]

Anglicanism is an odd denomination, simply because there's so much variation within it. There's modern Catholics, relaxed Catholics, traditional Catholics, liberals, evangelists open evangelists, conservative evangelicalists, centrists, and more.

That's true in Catholicism too though. You see a lot of fighting between progressives and traditionalists, liberals, conservatives. I'm Catholic myself, so...
But I'm sure it's like that to some degree in other denominations, albeit not as much

Pretty much. In Protestantism, every sect has its liberals and its conservatives, but the denominations within those sects tend to lean one way or the other. Take Presbyterians, for example. The PCUSA is a pretty liberal denomination, but the PCA broke away and is home to theological conservatives who felt that there was no room for them in the PCUSA. You cannot really say that Presbyterianism as a whole is either liberal or conservative, but you can say that of the various denominations within it. That doesn't mean that there aren't liberals on the PCA or conservatives in the PCUSA.

[War Gears]

Why did god give man facial hair?

I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.

God has androgen?

What does he need ears, eyes, a nose, teeth, etc. for?

[Salus Maior]

I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.

God has androgen?

What does he need ears, eyes, a nose, teeth, etc. for?

Why would I know? All I know is that when He wanted to make us, He made us "In Our (God's) Image".

[Tarsonis Survivors]

God has androgen?

What does he need ears, eyes, a nose, teeth, etc. for?

Why would I know? All I know is that when He wanted to make us, He made us "In Our (God's) Image".

I've come to the conclusion that we are actually made I Christ's image, not he ours.

[Philjia]

Why would I know? All I know is that when He wanted to make us, He made us "In Our (God's) Image".

I've come to the conclusion that we are actually made I Christ's image, not he ours.

I now have an image in my head of God giving Jesus his vestigial nipples and I can't stop giggling.

[Pasong Tirad]

I've come to the conclusion that we are actually made I Christ's image, not he ours.

I now have an image in my head of God giving Jesus his vestigial nipples and I can't stop giggling.

"And you shall have functional nipples, while you will not because reasons."

"And I shall give you a butt chin because why not?"

"Give him a receding hairline!"

"Make his beard go all the way around his face, but don't give him a moustache."

[Lady Scylla]

Why did god give man facial hair?

I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.

Only issue with this is that humans have a lot of evolutionary left-overs. It'd be like saying God is imperfect. Of course, that matters little if you don't believe in evolution.

[Salus Maior]

I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.

Only issue with this is that humans have a lot of evolutionary left-overs. It'd be like saying God is imperfect. Of course, that matters little if you don't believe in evolution.

I'm indifferent really.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.

Only issue with this is that humans have a lot of evolutionary left-overs. It'd be like saying God is imperfect. Of course, that matters little if you don't believe in evolution.

God transcends the material universe which means that He has no physical shape truly perceptible by those within the universe. The only true physical incarnation we have to go on, is Christ. Christian Theology posits that the incarnation was willed before the universe even existed. Which means Christ's physical incarnation was already known before humanity began, which suggests when it's said we are made in his image, it means we were made in Christ's image, 200,000 years before Christ was ever incarnate.

[Lady Scylla]

Only issue with this is that humans have a lot of evolutionary left-overs. It'd be like saying God is imperfect. Of course, that matters little if you don't believe in evolution.

I'm indifferent really.

Unfortunate, really.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

My dog is being put down today

[Luminesa]

I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.

God has androgen?

What does he need ears, eyes, a nose, teeth, etc. for?

Because we have them, and Jesus needed them to become fully human and to live among us?

[Luminesa]

My dog is being put down today

[Pasong Tirad]

My dog is being put down today

I'll be praying for you and your dog, Derpy. I'm sure that dog has been a very, very good dog for you and your family.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

My dog is being put down today

My dog is being put down today

I'll be praying for you and your dog, Derpy. I'm sure that dog has been a very, very good dog for you and your family.

It was. He tried to stop a scooter thief once.

And thanks to walking him, I lost weight and got my first paying job.

He was annoying at the table, but he was a great dog

[Pasong Tirad]

I'll be praying for you and your dog, Derpy. I'm sure that dog has been a very, very good dog for you and your family.

It was. He tried to stop a scooter thief once.

And thanks to walking him, I lost weight and got my first paying job.

He was annoying at the table, but he was a great dog

I'd like to believe you'll see him again, God willing!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It was. He tried to stop a scooter thief once.

And thanks to walking him, I lost weight and got my first paying job.

He was annoying at the table, but he was a great dog

I'd like to believe you'll see him again, God willing!

the pope agrees