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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
268
36%
Eastern Orthodox
66
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
4
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
12%
Methodist
33
4%
Baptist
67
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
55
7%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
22
3%
Other Christian
101
14%
 
Total votes : 745

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Postby War Gears » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:53 pm

Dylar wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:What do you think of people mixing religions?

I've read that in Asia, many Christians also happen to be Confucian or Buddhist, and in Japan it isn't (or at least wasn't) uncommon for someone to be both Shinto and Buddhist. I'm a Christian but I really like Confucianism as I agree with a lot of their morals and proverbs, and I had a phase where I tried to mesh Buddhist concepts with Christianity.

I'd like to point out that Confucianism isn't exactly a religion, but more of a lifestyle, and I think the same could be said about Buddhism, at least from what my peers have told me.


You could convincingly argue that Confucianism is a philosophy compatible with Christianity (Confucius often spoke of "Heaven" in a monotheistic sense and how it rewarded the just and punished the wicked). But Buddhism is a religion with it's own cosmology, deities, and concepts (karma, reincarnation, etc.) which are incompatible with Christianity.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Isn't SSM banned under Jewish law?

Not according to reform or conservative Judaism. And I'm Reform Jewish so...


How does that work in regard to certain Laws that would appear to condemn the action? I'm not overly familiar with the Jewish sects.

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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:33 am

I have gone back to school and I am doing pretty well for the most past, but I'm struggling with math. It's never been a subject I've been particularly interested in nor good at, but I need to passnif.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:34 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why did god give man facial hair?

Because facial hair is awesome
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:38 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not according to reform or conservative Judaism. And I'm Reform Jewish so...


How does that work in regard to certain Laws that would appear to condemn the action? I'm not overly familiar with the Jewish sects.

It all depends on how each sect interprets the law. Reform tends to interpret th law as a general guide and believes that the law does change and isn't set in stone of sorts.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:49 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
How does that work in regard to certain Laws that would appear to condemn the action? I'm not overly familiar with the Jewish sects.

It all depends on how each sect interprets the law. Reform tends to interpret th law as a general guide and believes that the law does change and isn't set in stone of sorts.


That's... probably more in line with the Conservative Jewish outlook than anything.

Reform Judaism has a habit of simply interpreting Halakha however it sees fit. :^)

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:58 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It all depends on how each sect interprets the law. Reform tends to interpret th law as a general guide and believes that the law does change and isn't set in stone of sorts.


That's... probably more in line with the Conservative Jewish outlook than anything.

Reform Judaism has a habit of simply interpreting Halakha however it sees fit. :^)

Well as a Reform Jew that's how we do it. There's still a lot a of laws we do follow so it's not all willy nilly like those damn reconstructionists
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:06 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
That's... probably more in line with the Conservative Jewish outlook than anything.

Reform Judaism has a habit of simply interpreting Halakha however it sees fit. :^)

Well as a Reform Jew that's how we do it. There's still a lot a of laws we do follow so it's not all willy nilly like those damn reconstructionists


Eh, potato-potatoe I suppose.

But yeah, I suppose it's at least not nearly as "open to interpretation" as the Reconstructionists. :p

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Postby Diopolis » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:04 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not according to reform or conservative Judaism. And I'm Reform Jewish so...


How does that work in regard to certain Laws that would appear to condemn the action? I'm not overly familiar with the Jewish sects.

The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:49 am

Diopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
How does that work in regard to certain Laws that would appear to condemn the action? I'm not overly familiar with the Jewish sects.

The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.


I find it very annoying when liberal Christians attack the rest of Christianity. Apparently condemning Christians will grow the Church, because liberal denominations are definitely growing right now.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:58 am

Diopolis wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
How does that work in regard to certain Laws that would appear to condemn the action? I'm not overly familiar with the Jewish sects.

The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.

Good thing we don't call the orthodox bigots for not agreeing with us
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:06 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.

Good thing we don't call the orthodox bigots for not agreeing with us


I'd be willing to bet we're all a little ignorant to the sectarian relationships of Judaism.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:19 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.

Good thing we don't call the orthodox bigots for not agreeing with us

The only Reform Jew I know calls the orthodox "wackos".
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:21 am

Hakons wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.


I find it very annoying when liberal Christians attack the rest of Christianity. Apparently condemning Christians will grow the Church, because liberal denominations are definitely growing right now.

No they aren't: https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... -thriving/

Turns out that when you throw out Christianity's principles and say they aren't important, the children catch on and stop caring when they grow up.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:22 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Hakons wrote:
I find it very annoying when liberal Christians attack the rest of Christianity. Apparently condemning Christians will grow the Church, because liberal denominations are definitely growing right now.

No they aren't: https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... -thriving/

Turns out that when you throw out Christianity's principles and say they aren't important, the children catch on and stop caring when they grow up.

I think that was sarcasm
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:22 am

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No they aren't: https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... -thriving/

Turns out that when you throw out Christianity's principles and say they aren't important, the children catch on and stop caring when they grow up.

I think that was sarcasm

Oh
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:23 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Good thing we don't call the orthodox bigots for not agreeing with us

The only Reform Jew I know calls the orthodox "wackos".

I mean they are nutty and kinda wacko but that's about it. We mainly just ignore them and they do the same to us.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why did god give man facial hair?

Because facial hair is awesome


Salus Maior wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why did god give man facial hair?


I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.



Then why is it so itchy?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:27 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because facial hair is awesome


Salus Maior wrote:
I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.



Then why is it so itchy?

Because you're a grasshopper young one.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:12 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because facial hair is awesome


Salus Maior wrote:
I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.



Then why is it so itchy?

Original sin.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:40 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why did god give man facial hair?


I imagine, like pretty much everything else about human looks, it's because it's in His own Image.


We are made in Christ's image and even he knew beards were cool before beards were even a thing. #hipstergod

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:22 pm

Hakons wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The same way liberal Christianity does- mistranslate the law so it doesn't appear to condemn the action anymore, accuse anyone who disagrees of being a bigot, declare history on your side, and hope people stop talking about it.


I find it very annoying when liberal Christians attack the rest of Christianity. Apparently condemning Christians will grow the Church, because liberal denominations are definitely growing right now.


Not with staying power, however.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I think that was sarcasm

Oh


It was sarcasm :p

Liberal theology has been a disaster for Protestantism.

Exhibit A: The Netherlands

Exhibit B: Sweden

Exhibit C: New England

It goes on and on, yet people still think changing eternal doctrine to the ethics of the present era is a good move. I might be stretching it, but liberal theology in German Protestantism helped Hitler implement Nazism as most Protestants let their morality be swayed by fascist power.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:46 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Hakons wrote:
I find it very annoying when liberal Christians attack the rest of Christianity. Apparently condemning Christians will grow the Church, because liberal denominations are definitely growing right now.


Not with staying power, however.


The sarcasm being I'm not aware of any liberal denomination that is growing. While American Protestantism is changing, it's more of a shift from historical denominations to nondenominationalism. While this will probably cause issues, it's not a shift to liberal theology. Most nondenominational churches are quite literal to the Bible, which is not exactly a hallmark of liberal theology.
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Postby Storhjaltland » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:43 pm

Hakons wrote:I might be stretching it, but liberal theology in German Protestantism helped Hitler implement Nazism as most Protestants let their morality be swayed by fascist power.

Any sources?

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