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Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

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Roman Catholic
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36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
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Methodist
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:10 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Gim wrote:
So...no kneeling for me.

"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

There's a reason why god appeared as burning bushes
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Postby Gim » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

There's a reason why god appeared as burning bushes


Angels are relieved from their positions as messengers of God.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

There's a reason why god appeared as burning bushes


Actually, the burning bush itself was an Angel. The voice Moses heard, however, was God.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Luminesa » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

There's a reason why god appeared as burning bushes

Moses: "...Adonai, why are you a burning bush?"
God: "...Do you really wanna see what I actually look like?"
M: "...Um...Well, what do you actually look like?"
G: "...So, imagine a 5'11" Middle Eastern man with short brown hair, a beard, and who wears a seamless garment."
Jesus: "I HAVEN'T INCARNATED YET DAD THAT'S CHEATING."
G: "Well I'm not telling him what I actually look like as God the Father, or his head will explode. And um...We kinda need him to get Our people out of Egypt. Don't think he'll be able to do it if his head explodes."
Jesus: "...Fair enough."
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Postby Gim » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:16 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There's a reason why god appeared as burning bushes

Moses: "...Adonai, why are you a burning bush?"
God: "...Do you really wanna see what I actually look like?"
M: "...Um...Well, what do you actually look like?"
G: "...So, imagine a 5'11" Middle Eastern man with short brown hair, a beard, and who wears a seamless garment."
Jesus: "I HAVEN'T INCARNATED YET DAD THAT'S CHEATING."
G: "Well I'm not telling him what I actually look like as God the Father, or his head will explode. And um...We kinda need him to get Our people out of Egypt. Don't think he'll be able to do it if his head explodes."
Jesus: "...Fair enough."


Jesus' identity has been revealed in Genesis, actually, although indirectly.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:30 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There's a reason why god appeared as burning bushes

Moses: "...Adonai, why are you a burning bush?"
God: "...Do you really wanna see what I actually look like?"
M: "...Um...Well, what do you actually look like?"
G: "...So, imagine a 5'11" Middle Eastern man with short brown hair, a beard, and who wears a seamless garment."
Jesus: "I HAVEN'T INCARNATED YET DAD THAT'S CHEATING."
G: "Well I'm not telling him what I actually look like as God the Father, or his head will explode. And um...We kinda need him to get Our people out of Egypt. Don't think he'll be able to do it if his head explodes."
Jesus: "...Fair enough."

Want to really explode your brain? If the incarnation was always preordained, and We are made in His image,... does that mean we were made in the image of Christ 100's of thousands of years before Christ was incarnated?

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:57 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Gim wrote:
So...no kneeling for me.

"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

Metatron: Human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:59 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Luminesa wrote:"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

Metatron: Human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.


...Why does the name Metatron ring a bell?

That doesn't have anything to do with LDS does it?
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:03 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Metatron: Human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.


...Why does the name Metatron ring a bell?

That doesn't have anything to do with LDS does it?


That's Maronai you're thinking of.

Metatron is Alan Rickman's character in Dogma.

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Postby Cote Acreole » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:11 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Moses: "...Adonai, why are you a burning bush?"
God: "...Do you really wanna see what I actually look like?"
M: "...Um...Well, what do you actually look like?"
G: "...So, imagine a 5'11" Middle Eastern man with short brown hair, a beard, and who wears a seamless garment."
Jesus: "I HAVEN'T INCARNATED YET DAD THAT'S CHEATING."
G: "Well I'm not telling him what I actually look like as God the Father, or his head will explode. And um...We kinda need him to get Our people out of Egypt. Don't think he'll be able to do it if his head explodes."
Jesus: "...Fair enough."

Want to really explode your brain? If the incarnation was always preordained, and We are made in His image,... does that mean we were made in the image of Christ 100's of thousands of years before Christ was incarnated?

Flesh and spirit. And have we not given worshipless honor and salutations even unto our own?
It'd be more proper to give it to those claimed by Christ or sent by God rather than have those men of great reknown become idols of the future.
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Postby Cote Acreole » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:13 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Metatron: Human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.


...Why does the name Metatron ring a bell?

That doesn't have anything to do with LDS does it?

It sounds like an autobot from Transformers tbqh.
Supposedly, Enoch was made an Archangel in some Apocrypha works.
"There would be no need for sermons if our lives were shining. There would be no need for words, if we bore witness with our deeds. There would be no pagans, if we were true Christians." -St. John Chrysostom
"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -St. Justin Martyr
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:16 pm

Cote Acreole wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
...Why does the name Metatron ring a bell?

That doesn't have anything to do with LDS does it?

It sounds like an autobot from Transformers tbqh.
Supposedly, Enoch was made an Archangel in some Apocrypha works.


There's a lot of apocrypha surround Enoch. He's a unique bird

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Postby Cote Acreole » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:23 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Cote Acreole wrote:It sounds like an autobot from Transformers tbqh.
Supposedly, Enoch was made an Archangel in some Apocrypha works.


There's a lot of apocrypha surround Enoch. He's a unique bird

I've only read 1 Enoch, I could see why it was very popular. When I really started to get interested is when he described the Son of Man as white as wool (or his hair was as white wool; something like that). It caught me off gaurd for the time period its supposedly dated.
Edit: white but not ethnicity-wise
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"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -St. Justin Martyr
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:30 pm

Cote Acreole wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
There's a lot of apocrypha surround Enoch. He's a unique bird

I've only read 1 Enoch, I could see why it was very popular. When I really started to get interested is when he described the Son of Man as white as wool (or his hair was as white wool; something like that). It caught me off gaurd for the time period its supposedly dated.


White is a color associated with purity. As it says in Ecclesiastes "keep your clothes white". The whiteness of the Son of Man is pure symbolism of his purity, not an proposed ethnicity.

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Postby Cote Acreole » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:32 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Cote Acreole wrote:I've only read 1 Enoch, I could see why it was very popular. When I really started to get interested is when he described the Son of Man as white as wool (or his hair was as white wool; something like that). It caught me off gaurd for the time period its supposedly dated.


White is a color associated with purity. As it says in Ecclesiastes "keep your clothes white". The whiteness of the Son of Man is pure symbolism of his purity, not an proposed ethnicity.

I was thinking more of the transfiguration or him being the lamb than ethnicity; im glad you caught that before someone else :?
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"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -St. Justin Martyr
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:37 pm

Cote Acreole wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
White is a color associated with purity. As it says in Ecclesiastes "keep your clothes white". The whiteness of the Son of Man is pure symbolism of his purity, not an proposed ethnicity.

I was thinking more of the transfiguration or him being the lamb than ethnicity; im glad you caught that before someone else :?


Let's not give the Neo-Nazis and KKK more ammo :P
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:38 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Luminesa wrote:"Daniel, listen to me. I am the Archangel Gabriel and I have a very important prophecy for you...aaaaaand he passed-out."
*Helps Daniel up.* "There. You good?"
"...I think so."
"Alright. So, I have come from God to tell you...OH COME ON."

Metatron: Human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.

Daniel: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE WERE FIVE?!"
Michael: "Multiple Eves as well, and a Lilith."
Gabriel: "YOU GUYS WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM THAT."
Michael: "...Oops."
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby Cote Acreole » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:42 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Cote Acreole wrote:I was thinking more of the transfiguration or him being the lamb than ethnicity; im glad you caught that before someone else :?


Let's not give the Neo-Nazis and KKK more ammo :P

:p Dont fret, they'll meet our divisions in the afterlife.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Metatron: Human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.

Daniel: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE WERE FIVE?!"
Michael: "Multiple Eves as well, and a Lilith."
Gabriel: "YOU GUYS WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM THAT."
Michael: "...Oops."


And that concludes this weeks episode of "The Bible: Redacted". Tune in next week where we discuss the true meaning of Christmas, and Christ's drunken ramblings at the wedding of Caana
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Postby Gim » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:19 pm

Cote Acreole wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Let's not give the Neo-Nazis and KKK more ammo :P

:p Dont fret, they'll meet our divisions in the afterlife.


God will obliterate them all.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:50 pm

Gim wrote:
Cote Acreole wrote: :p Dont fret, they'll meet our divisions in the afterlife.


God will obliterate them all.


A bit presumptious I might point out

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Postby Gim » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:51 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Gim wrote:
God will obliterate them all.


A bit presumptious I might point out


Perhaps, using an absolute statement like "all" reduces the credibility of the claim. Details, details.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:10 am

Gim wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
A bit presumptious I might point out


Perhaps, using an absolute statement like "all" reduces the credibility of the claim. Details, details.

Eh just in general. I try to refrain from God will do x statements unless they're specifically referred to in Theological terms. It's just not wise to speak for God imho

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Postby Gim » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:12 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Gim wrote:
Perhaps, using an absolute statement like "all" reduces the credibility of the claim. Details, details.

Eh just in general. I try to refrain from God will do x statements unless they're specifically referred to in Theological terms. It's just not wise to speak for God imho


Well, it's true there will be Judgment Day. I'm referring what is directly portrayed in the Bible. :)
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Postby Cote Acreole » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:20 am

Gim wrote:
Cote Acreole wrote: :p Dont fret, they'll meet our divisions in the afterlife.


God will obliterate them all.

Lets not take comfort at that thought.
I had more of a Pope Pius IX to Joseph Stalin, with Pope St. John Paul II's role in the Polish Solidarity movement
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"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -St. Justin Martyr
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