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Gim wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
How is that relevant to my post though? :b

God is giving us liberty by saying we "mayest" eat from the tree. That bifurcates into obeying and sinning.

That's true

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Gim wrote:
God is giving us liberty by saying we "mayest" eat from the tree. That bifurcates into obeying and sinning.

That's true

Have you read the Bible entirely?

Gim wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
But atleast hell is not for eternity, Humans won't burn for much before they die, demons and satan will, at the other hand.

Humans who don't repent and wittingly commit sins can go to Hell. However, if they repent, they can reach the paradise.

They don't want to listen.. That's even worse.. Can we stop this subject about my relatives here though? Whenever I think of it I get depressed..

Satan is a bitch, I never swear and God forgive me for by why should my family die for that assface? people think of Satan and they feel scared, I think about satan and I feel anger

Gim wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
That's true

Have you read the Bible entirely?

I've read revelation 2 times, currently reading Mark and John, the books for beginners, I have also read almost all of Genesis and I'm planning to read Enoch

Yes, I count Enoch as a book of the Bible.

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Gim wrote:
Humans who don't repent and wittingly commit sins can go to Hell. However, if they repent, they can reach the paradise.

They don't want to listen.. That's even worse.. Can we stop this subject about my relatives here though? Whenever I think of it I get depressed..

Satan is a bitch, I never swear and God forgive me for by why should my family die for that assface? people think of Satan and they feel scared, I think about satan and I feel anger

Sorry about that. Man, it must be hard when those thoughts pop up. Maybe, you should pray to God to lend a helping hand to your relatives. I think that is better than convincing them yourself.

Pasong Tirad wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Good luck with that, I'm behind five hundred denominations.

How many members?

Two hundred. Half of them are just fronts for my atheism smuggling operations.

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Gim wrote:
Have you read the Bible entirely?

I've read revelation 2 times, currently reading Mark and John, the books for beginners, I have also read almost all of Genesis and I'm planning to read Enoch

Yes, I count Enoch as a book of the Bible.

Joshua, and Proverbs are essential for young people.

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Pasong Tirad wrote:Liberty isn't anti-Christian.

No, but going against God is, he gave us orders to obey, and we should obey them because they are basically a survival guide on how to survive on this world without facing the consequences in the next one that is about to come.

Sure, but I'm not going to take away anybody else's freedoms just because I follow God.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Pasong Tirad wrote:How many members?

Two hundred. Half of them are just fronts for my atheism smuggling operations.

I accept your surrender.

*1 BILLION CATHOLICS INTENSIFIES*

Pasong Tirad wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
No, but going against God is, he gave us orders to obey, and we should obey them because they are basically a survival guide on how to survive on this world without facing the consequences in the next one that is about to come.

Sure, but I'm not going to take away anybody else's freedoms just because I follow God.

A small degree of freedom may be taken away, but you're offering them, at the same time, eternal life, which is priceless.

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

The Blaatschapen wrote:
For me, I'll view it still as their own free will.

They have been raised that way, my grandmother is a semi-radical Christian, my parents had raised me an atheist, my mother was suppressed by my grandmother to be an orthodox and my father just got tired as the years passed, they still believe in God but they have that new anti Christian ideology "Do what thou wilt"

Liberty is not anti-christian, so much so that Jesus Christ can be considered as libertarian.

Secundus Imperium Romanum wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
They have been raised that way, my grandmother is a semi-radical Christian, my parents had raised me an atheist, my mother was suppressed by my grandmother to be an orthodox and my father just got tired as the years passed, they still believe in God but they have that new anti Christian ideology "Do what thou wilt"

Liberty is not anti-christian, so much so that Jesus Christ can be considered as libertarian.

Hard to say it's anti-Christian.

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Gim wrote:
That's why I respect the Orthodox as well.

Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..

You know, you could be the one to restart Iconoclast Orthodoxy.

Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.

Czechanada wrote:Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.

I wish you good luck in your endeavour.

Gim wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
They don't want to listen.. That's even worse.. Can we stop this subject about my relatives here though? Whenever I think of it I get depressed..

Satan is a bitch, I never swear and God forgive me for by why should my family die for that assface? people think of Satan and they feel scared, I think about satan and I feel anger

Sorry about that. Man, it must be hard when those thoughts pop up. Maybe, you should pray to God to lend a helping hand to your relatives. I think that is better than convincing them yourself.

Hey! That is true! I'll do that! Thank you!

Czechanada wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..

You know, you could be the one to restart Iconoclast Orthodoxy.

The more I think of that idea the more I like it, that just became my dream..

Czechanada wrote:Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.

I just finished a factbook as to how Hellas can bail out of the 4th Reich and the US empire, I would love to make it a book, it's still a work in progress and if you would like to take a look it's below, also,good luck!

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Czechanada wrote:Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.

I just finished a factbook as to how Hellas can bail out of the 4th Reich and the US empire, I would love to make it a book, it's still a work in progress and if you would like to take a look it's below, also,good luck!

I agree your factbook very much but with some differences. My opinion:

1) Ain't necessary to produce all you need. Only you need to trust a loyal change with another friendly countries F.i. 100 Olive Oil Tones x 1 Tone of iron, etc. or 2 millon of tourist from a clountry that will come to Hellas x send to this country 100.000 hellas university students 1 year, etc.

2) In Europe have more countries that not need UE (Norge, Switzerland, Island, Serbia, and other little nations (Lietchtenstein, Andorra, etc.). In America (not USA) you've a great market, etc. You have not alone.

3) First, you need to change the neoliberal style of life for an authartical style of life. It's so different (if you need a glasses you must to create optical industry and to form technical optics, etc.

4) Make your money. Absolutely yes. Destoy roads!? Nah... its only necessary borders. You will need the roads for your internal productivity!

5) Before to send people to the fields, you will must to make better lifespan in the villages. Our generation need more things than our grands. Young people want wi-fi, disco, pubs, electrodomestics, modern furniture, clothes, shoes, etc.

The most important is to link good relationships to exchange neccessary products that you never can to make it. Only these.

All you can to do by yourself is the real freedom you gets.

Catlander wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
I just finished a factbook as to how Hellas can bail out of the 4th Reich and the US empire, I would love to make it a book, it's still a work in progress and if you would like to take a look it's below, also,good luck!

I agree your factbook very much but with some differences. My opinion:

1) Ain't necessary to produce all you need. Only you need to trust a loyal change with another friendly countries F.i. 100 Olive Oil Tones x 1 Tone of iron, etc. or 2 millon of tourist from a clountry that will come to Hellas x send to this country 100.000 hellas university students 1 year, etc.

2) In Europe have more countries that not need UE (Norge, Switzerland, Island, Serbia, and other little nations (Lietchtenstein, Andorra, etc.). In America (not USA) you've a great market, etc. You have not alone.

3) First, you need to change the neoliberal style of life for an authartical style of life. It's so different (if you need a glasses you must to create optical industry and to form technical optics, etc.

4) Make your money. Absolutely yes. Destoy roads!? Nah... its only necessary borders. You will need the roads for your internal productivity!

5) Before to send people to the fields, you will must to make better lifespan in the villages. Our generation need more things than our grands. Young people want wi-fi, disco, pubs, electrodomestics, modern furniture, clothes, shoes, etc.

The most important is to link good relationships to exchange neccessary products that you never can to make it. Only these.

All you can to do by yourself is the real freedom you gets.

First of all, thank you for the time to express your opinions,

Awnsers:

1) It's necessary to produce as much material as possible and plant tons of wheat, euro is pretty attached to Greece, we need alot of resources to manage the economic crash, it's not that if our nation is going to get crashed, it's how hard it will be, and i'm trying to minimize it as much as possible.

2) Nah, those countries either have authoritarian totalitarian scum that just like to rule or gay governments (cough SERBIA)

Wait a minute...

3) YEP, ban alot of stuff, including all imported technology, we aren't a middle eastern dictatorship or an African kingdom, we can create our own stuff, and we actually currently do, some companies in Greece that produce stuff are alot better than.those Indian creations.

4) Weakling getting off the country, no, we need people to revive it after the crash, no one is leaving. They will be reconstructed after the situation stabilizes and they're free to go whenever they want then.. "gain through pain", although I want my people to be free, i'm not an authoritarian.. that much..

5) No. Ew.

(Sorry for the delayed reply by the way.)

Back to Christianity please.

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

Gim wrote:
That's why I respect the Orthodox as well.

Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..

I can tell from this sentence here that you're not Orthodox. We venerate icons as a proxy, to send our respect to those portrayed in the icon. Also, since the Bible is also an icon (of the Word of God) then, by this logic, venerating it would also be idolatry.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..

I can tell from this sentence here that you're not Orthodox. We venerate icons as a proxy, to send our respect to those portrayed in the icon. Also, since the Bible is also an icon (of the Word of God) then, by this logic, venerating it would also be idolatry.

As far as i'm concerned, idolatry points to both Idol worship and Icon worship, ever read the 10 commandments? let me remind you of the 2nd commandment: " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them", this us referring to worshiping God as an image (Both Idol and Icon), we don't need paintings from the medieval era to worship our lord, i'm not against paintings in church's walls, just worshiping those paintings, God knows if you love him or not, a painting would not change that, there have been numerous passages for not worshiping God as an image

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I can tell from this sentence here that you're not Orthodox. We venerate icons as a proxy, to send our respect to those portrayed in the icon. Also, since the Bible is also an icon (of the Word of God) then, by this logic, venerating it would also be idolatry.

As far as i'm concerned, idolatry points to both Idol worship and Icon worship, ever read the 10 commandments? let me remind you of the 2nd commandment: " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them", this us referring to worshiping God as an image (Both Idol and Icon), we don't need paintings from the medieval era to worship our lord, i'm not against paintings in church's walls, just worshiping those paintings, God knows if you love him or not, a painting would not change that, there have been numerous passages for not worshiping God as an image

It's not worship at all, and that's how I know you're not Orthodox, because an Orthodox person would have been corrected by their priest or other parishioners on such an obvious point.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
As far as i'm concerned, idolatry points to both Idol worship and Icon worship, ever read the 10 commandments? let me remind you of the 2nd commandment: " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them", this us referring to worshiping God as an image (Both Idol and Icon), we don't need paintings from the medieval era to worship our lord, i'm not against paintings in church's walls, just worshiping those paintings, God knows if you love him or not, a painting would not change that, there have been numerous passages for not worshiping God as an image

It's not worship at all, and that's how I know you're not Orthodox, because an Orthodox person would have been corrected by their priest or other parishioners on such an obvious point.

First of all, why do you insist i'm not an Orthodox? If i was not i would have told you..

Second of all, what are these old ladies doing to my nearest church every sunday bowing down to the painting of Mary with baby Christ in her hand?