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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
268
36%
Eastern Orthodox
66
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
4
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
12%
Methodist
33
4%
Baptist
67
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
55
7%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
22
3%
Other Christian
101
14%
 
Total votes : 745

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

There's no sympathy crying emote. Argh! :hug:
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:38 pm

Serrus wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

There's no sympathy crying emote. Argh! :hug:

:hug: Thank you.

He is in a better place now

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:14 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:I'd like to believe you'll see him again, God willing!


the pope agrees


Probably because he's such a St.Francis of Assisi fan :P (That's where he got his Pope name from.)
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:48 am

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Postby New Dutch Colonies » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:11 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

Shit happens son.
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Postby Keshetar » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:47 pm

Here is one of my scathing about Christianity

I have been told the idea that things in society have got so evil and dark today that the world is going to end. I'm also told that God is punishing us (or at least America) for turning against him and he won't turn back to protecting us unless all of us submit to him. I'm extremely frustrated at God and Christianity, especially the very devout people. I wish more known or well-meaning Christians would actually not ignore me or say something that was pre-programmed like a robot to me when I tell them my own personal beliefs about God, sexuality, Heaven, etc. I wish they can acknowledge that I have a sensitive heart-but no, as long as God is and never changes and is absolute about everything, I don't want to come back to that guy after I chose to turn my back on him.

He doesn't even care if something that was totally not "normal" and universally catastrophic would happen. We are not protected from things like North Korea and their ever increasingly threatening missiles. I can't say with any confidence that anything bad like that won't ever happen in my lifetime.

I know we do have free will he gave us, but it's not the point. By now, I think I wish God didn't exist. I am always shamed by everyone and the church itself to submit to him.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:50 pm

New Dutch Colonies wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

Shit happens son.


Yeah, but it sucks.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:54 pm

Keshetar wrote:Here is one of my scathing about Christianity

I have been told the idea that things in society have got so evil and dark today that the world is going to end. I'm also told that God is punishing us (or at least America) for turning against him and he won't turn back to protecting us unless all of us submit to him. I'm extremely frustrated at God and Christianity, especially the very devout people. I wish more known or well-meaning Christians would actually not ignore me or say something that was pre-programmed like a robot to me when I tell them my own personal beliefs about God, sexuality, Heaven, etc. I wish they can acknowledge that I have a sensitive heart-but no, as long as God is and never changes and is absolute about everything, I don't want to come back to that guy after I chose to turn my back on him.

He doesn't even care if something that was totally not "normal" and universally catastrophic would happen. We are not protected from things like North Korea and their ever increasingly threatening missiles. I can't say with any confidence that anything bad like that won't ever happen in my lifetime.

I know we do have free will he gave us, but it's not the point. By now, I think I wish God didn't exist. I am always shamed by everyone and the church itself to submit to him.


I wouldn't exactly call that a "scathing" rant about Christianity. I get your frustrations but this has less to do with Christendom as a whole and more whoever you've been talking to. Christianity isn't a monolith.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:57 pm

Keshetar wrote:Here is one of my scathing about Christianity

I have been told the idea that things in society have got so evil and dark today that the world is going to end. I'm also told that God is punishing us (or at least America) for turning against him and he won't turn back to protecting us unless all of us submit to him. I'm extremely frustrated at God and Christianity, especially the very devout people. I wish more known or well-meaning Christians would actually not ignore me or say something that was pre-programmed like a robot to me when I tell them my own personal beliefs about God, sexuality, Heaven, etc. I wish they can acknowledge that I have a sensitive heart-but no, as long as God is and never changes and is absolute about everything, I don't want to come back to that guy after I chose to turn my back on him.

He doesn't even care if something that was totally not "normal" and universally catastrophic would happen. We are not protected from things like North Korea and their ever increasingly threatening missiles. I can't say with any confidence that anything bad like that won't ever happen in my lifetime.

I know we do have free will he gave us, but it's not the point. By now, I think I wish God didn't exist. I am always shamed by everyone and the church itself to submit to him.


I have to ask, which denomination does your church and community belong to?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:03 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today


:(
You have my secular comfort.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:06 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

I'm very sorry.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:06 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today


:(
You have my secular comfort.

Thank you. :hug:

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

I'm very sorry.


And thank you. :hug:

Thank you everyone for the comfort you have given me.
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Postby Keshetar » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:16 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Keshetar wrote:Here is one of my scathing about Christianity



I wouldn't exactly call that a "scathing" rant about Christianity. I get your frustrations but this has less to do with Christendom as a whole and more whoever you've been talking to. Christianity isn't a monolith.


I guess "scathing" wasn't technically the right word in the context, but my point is that Christians across denominations support various doctrines that are universally common or very similar.

Anyway, you know what my real personal version of Heaven will be? Growing up in the USA when there was less dysfunction when my parents and grandparents were alive or growing up, when SJWs, anti-man/feminists, radicalism, and more plausible nuclear threats or other "end of the world" (like EMP or anything else) scenarios than during the cold war years didn't exist or weren't in completely full force and we lived in a more homogeneous society with good jobs and families, it was also when technology advanced, but not as much to the point where we can't keep up with it. I was only alive for 25 years today, and the first half I was younger and didn't take advantage of the better times people had in the "real" world. It sucks so bad sometimes.

I don't really know if there is anyone else around my own age or any significant group of them who agrees with my concerns or outlook.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:24 pm

Keshetar wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
I wouldn't exactly call that a "scathing" rant about Christianity. I get your frustrations but this has less to do with Christendom as a whole and more whoever you've been talking to. Christianity isn't a monolith.


I guess "scathing" wasn't technically the right word in the context, but my point is that Christians across denominations support various doctrines that are universally common or very similar.

Anyway, you know what my real personal version of Heaven will be? Growing up in the USA when there was less dysfunction when my parents and grandparents were alive or growing up, when SJWs, anti-man/feminists, radicalism, and more plausible nuclear threats or other "end of the world" (like EMP or anything else) scenarios than during the cold war years didn't exist or weren't in completely full force and we lived in a more homogeneous society with good jobs and families, it was also when technology advanced, but not as much to the point where we can't keep up with it. I was only alive for 25 years today, and the first half I was younger and didn't take advantage of the better times people had in the "real" world. It sucks so bad sometimes.

I don't really know if there is anyone else around my own age or any significant group of them who agrees with my concerns or outlook.


I'm 28, and I think you're overestimating several of these issues and their impact. And no, not really, Christians even across denominations don't agree with various doctrines even when they may seem universally common.
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Postby Narland » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:27 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

My condolences to you and your family. You will be in my prayers. :(

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:37 pm

Keshetar wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
I wouldn't exactly call that a "scathing" rant about Christianity. I get your frustrations but this has less to do with Christendom as a whole and more whoever you've been talking to. Christianity isn't a monolith.


I guess "scathing" wasn't technically the right word in the context, but my point is that Christians across denominations support various doctrines that are universally common or very similar.

Anyway, you know what my real personal version of Heaven will be? Growing up in the USA when there was less dysfunction when my parents and grandparents were alive or growing up, when SJWs, anti-man/feminists, radicalism, and more plausible nuclear threats or other "end of the world" (like EMP or anything else) scenarios than during the cold war years didn't exist or weren't in completely full force and we lived in a more homogeneous society with good jobs and families, it was also when technology advanced, but not as much to the point where we can't keep up with it. I was only alive for 25 years today, and the first half I was younger and didn't take advantage of the better times people had in the "real" world. It sucks so bad sometimes.

I don't really know if there is anyone else around my own age or any significant group of them who agrees with my concerns or outlook.


I don't see what the current dysfunction of American Socio-politics, has to do with God.

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Postby Keshetar » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:39 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Keshetar wrote:
I guess "scathing" wasn't technically the right word in the context, but my point is that Christians across denominations support various doctrines that are universally common or very similar.

Anyway, you know what my real personal version of Heaven will be? Growing up in the USA when there was less dysfunction when my parents and grandparents were alive or growing up, when SJWs, anti-man/feminists, radicalism, and more plausible nuclear threats or other "end of the world" (like EMP or anything else) scenarios than during the cold war years didn't exist or weren't in completely full force and we lived in a more homogeneous society with good jobs and families, it was also when technology advanced, but not as much to the point where we can't keep up with it. I was only alive for 25 years today, and the first half I was younger and didn't take advantage of the better times people had in the "real" world. It sucks so bad sometimes.

I don't really know if there is anyone else around my own age or any significant group of them who agrees with my concerns or outlook.


I'm 28, and I think you're overestimating several of these issues and their impact. And no, not really, Christians even across denominations don't agree with various doctrines even when they may seem universally common.


Maybe I am, but it doesn't account much for that none of the churches or denominations "officially" agree (or even teach against completely). And what you said might be more true in other western countries, but is probably less true in the United States, because I was born and (mildly) proud to be here after all.

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Postby Keshetar » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:42 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Keshetar wrote:
I guess "scathing" wasn't technically the right word in the context, but my point is that Christians across denominations support various doctrines that are universally common or very similar.

Anyway, you know what my real personal version of Heaven will be? Growing up in the USA when there was less dysfunction when my parents and grandparents were alive or growing up, when SJWs, anti-man/feminists, radicalism, and more plausible nuclear threats or other "end of the world" (like EMP or anything else) scenarios than during the cold war years didn't exist or weren't in completely full force and we lived in a more homogeneous society with good jobs and families, it was also when technology advanced, but not as much to the point where we can't keep up with it. I was only alive for 25 years today, and the first half I was younger and didn't take advantage of the better times people had in the "real" world. It sucks so bad sometimes.

I don't really know if there is anyone else around my own age or any significant group of them who agrees with my concerns or outlook.


I don't see what the current dysfunction of American Socio-politics, has to do with God.


I don't necessarily get set on that idea. I'm just not so confident sometimes and even though I guess I call myself a quiet/casual conservative a lot, I can't be entirely doubtful that those who are suggesting these stuff are correct, especially in the last 10-20 years.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:43 pm

Keshetar wrote:Here is one of my scathing about Christianity

I have been told the idea that things in society have got so evil and dark today that the world is going to end. I'm also told that God is punishing us (or at least America) for turning against him and he won't turn back to protecting us unless all of us submit to him. I'm extremely frustrated at God and Christianity, especially the very devout people. I wish more known or well-meaning Christians would actually not ignore me or say something that was pre-programmed like a robot to me when I tell them my own personal beliefs about God, sexuality, Heaven, etc. I wish they can acknowledge that I have a sensitive heart-but no, as long as God is and never changes and is absolute about everything, I don't want to come back to that guy after I chose to turn my back on him.

He doesn't even care if something that was totally not "normal" and universally catastrophic would happen. We are not protected from things like North Korea and their ever increasingly threatening missiles. I can't say with any confidence that anything bad like that won't ever happen in my lifetime.

I know we do have free will he gave us, but it's not the point. By now, I think I wish God didn't exist. I am always shamed by everyone and the church itself to submit to him.


Eh, I wouldn't listen to hellfire preachers like that who say "oh THIS is because of *insert political issue here* so you have to do THIS to make up for it!" They don't know God's mind, they can't speak for Him like that. They know no better than the rest of us.

Even if the entire country turned into a bunch of Bible-thumping Churchgoers tomorrow, that wouldn't stop hurricanes or natural disasters or political tenseness from happening. Christ never promised us an easy-going life, He never said that we wouldn't have adversity whether we were devout or not. In fact, He consistently said that the life of a Christian would be a difficult one. So yeah, the preachers you're talking about are out of their gourd with their preaching.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:52 pm

Narland wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:My dog is being put down today

My condolences to you and your family. You will be in my prayers. :(

Thank you.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:58 pm

Keshetar wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
I don't see what the current dysfunction of American Socio-politics, has to do with God.


I don't necessarily get set on that idea. I'm just not so confident sometimes and even though I guess I call myself a quiet/casual conservative a lot, I can't be entirely doubtful that those who are suggesting these stuff are correct, especially in the last 10-20 years.


Again, this isn't exactly a religious issue, more a sociopolitical one. I can understand feeling uneasy about political pursuasions in the current climate. But at best all I can advise you is to compartmentalize your thought processes. Don't inherently tie your political identity to your religous one.

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Postby Maineiacs » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:11 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Keshetar wrote:
I don't necessarily get set on that idea. I'm just not so confident sometimes and even though I guess I call myself a quiet/casual conservative a lot, I can't be entirely doubtful that those who are suggesting these stuff are correct, especially in the last 10-20 years.


Again, this isn't exactly a religious issue, more a sociopolitical one. I can understand feeling uneasy about political pursuasions in the current climate. But at best all I can advise you is to compartmentalize your thought processes. Don't inherently tie your political identity to your religous one.



I very much agree with this sentiment. There are always going to be blind spots in any party's agenda.
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Postby Keshetar » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:54 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Keshetar wrote:
I don't necessarily get set on that idea. I'm just not so confident sometimes and even though I guess I call myself a quiet/casual conservative a lot, I can't be entirely doubtful that those who are suggesting these stuff are correct, especially in the last 10-20 years.


Again, this isn't exactly a religious issue, more a sociopolitical one. I can understand feeling uneasy about political pursuasions in the current climate. But at best all I can advise you is to compartmentalize your thought processes. Don't inherently tie your political identity to your religous one.


I wasn't talking about tying my political identity to my religious one. I don't really like what they have to say about a lot of things, they are most of the ones that are promoting that LGBT people should be frowned (including somewhat of a specific focus on LGBT public figures and the media/entertainment) and even promoting that God himself should eternally punish them. Even though I believe that sometimes, it's more about them saying that they believe is wrong than it is that they are actually making direct threats to LGBT groups, it's still very sick tough-talking to say this type of stuff, especially broadcast on TV as The 700 Club.

That still doesn't make me more confident in my belief that their "prophecies" are by any likelihood total BS.

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Postby Nordengrund » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:04 pm

Guys, I have a hernia. Please pray for me.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:07 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Guys, I have a hernia. Please pray for me.

I just did. Get well soon.
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