Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[Nordengrund]

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

In case you don't know what a tulpa is, it is essentially a another autonomous person living inside of you with their own personality, opinions, thoughts etc. They are created by a person by their own volition. I think most likely they are just hallucinations, but I'm curious of the Christian perspective. Are they just hallucinations, malign spirits trying to manipulate you, or just some New Age thing?

[United Muscovite Nations]

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

In case you don't know what a tulpa is, it is essentially a another autonomous person living inside of you with their own personality, opinions, thoughts etc. They are created by a person by their own volition. I think most likely they are just hallucinations, but I'm curious of the Christian perspective. Are they just hallucinations, malign spirits trying to manipulate you, or just some New Age thing?

Sounds unironically demonic. I'd stay away from it.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

In case you don't know what a tulpa is, it is essentially a another autonomous person living inside of you with their own personality, opinions, thoughts etc. They are created by a person by their own volition. I think most likely they are just hallucinations, but I'm curious of the Christian perspective. Are they just hallucinations, malign spirits trying to manipulate you, or just some New Age thing?

It's a psychological disorder being "normalized" by certain religions, and in the States primarily by regressives found mainly in the dark underbelly of tumblr

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissoci ... y_disorder

[Hakons]

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

In case you don't know what a tulpa is, it is essentially a another autonomous person living inside of you with their own personality, opinions, thoughts etc. They are created by a person by their own volition. I think most likely they are just hallucinations, but I'm curious of the Christian perspective. Are they just hallucinations, malign spirits trying to manipulate you, or just some New Age thing?

Weird new age stuff that is created when people leave organized religion because it's "not rational" and then promptly make up spritual things, having no organization to reveal their errors.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Also, from my understanding the Catholics are much more strict when it comes to divorce than the orthodox are. Am I misunderstanding that?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also, from my understanding the Catholics are much more strict when it comes to divorce than the orthodox are. Am I misunderstanding that?

Generally speaking, I would agree, and I think that we should have a more conservative stance. Technically, we only recognize divorce in cases of adultery, but many priests and bishops interpret this in a way that I think isn't consistent with the intention of Christ and His apostles. I can understand considering abuse adultery, but some of the justifications that are made are just plain wrong, in all honesty.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Also, from my understanding the Catholics are much more strict when it comes to divorce than the orthodox are. Am I misunderstanding that?

Generally speaking, I would agree, and I think that we should have a more conservative stance. Technically, we only recognize divorce in cases of adultery, but many priests and bishops interpret this in a way that I think isn't consistent with the intention of Christ and His apostles. I can understand considering abuse adultery, but some of the justifications that are made are just plain wrong, in all honesty.

I read some commentary About the adultry of conscience bit. I get, it but I'm inclined to agree it's not exactly what Christ intended.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Generally speaking, I would agree, and I think that we should have a more conservative stance. Technically, we only recognize divorce in cases of adultery, but many priests and bishops interpret this in a way that I think isn't consistent with the intention of Christ and His apostles. I can understand considering abuse adultery, but some of the justifications that are made are just plain wrong, in all honesty.

I read some commentary About the adultry of conscience bit. I get, it but I'm inclined to agree it's not exactly what Christ intended.

Yeah. I think it's a ploy by certain factions within the Church to try to keep people who aren't totally sold on the Church's teachings in the Church; however, I have to question those people with "how long do we go about appeasing the liberals before we put our foot down?"

We don't have a problem with it on most other issues, but I think we've bent too far on the divorce & remarriage issue.

[Free Maronites]

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

In case you don't know what a tulpa is, it is essentially a another autonomous person living inside of you with their own personality, opinions, thoughts etc. They are created by a person by their own volition. I think most likely they are just hallucinations, but I'm curious of the Christian perspective. Are they just hallucinations, malign spirits trying to manipulate you, or just some New Age thing?

New Age rubbish, peddled by cranks and spiritualists who have turned from God.

The idea of demons, spirits, etc outside of any organized religion is just a crumbling edifice of contradictions, lies and an excuse to sell the misguided books.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

[Luminesa]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

WE NEED MORE BLING.

AND LOTS OF IT.

AND NOT FROM THE HOTLINE.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

WE NEED MORE BLING.

AND LOTS OF IT.

AND NOT FROM THE HOTLINE.

I'll take that as a point in favor.

[Free Maronites]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

I think it's nice, and makes the heart soar when you see the ornate art and decorations of some Catholic cathedrals, but it's not necessary.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

Ornateness is a double edged sword I think. That's a lot of money that could be spent on more practical things, and has long been a source of criticism against a Church that's supposed to be humble, and against the accumulation of wealth. It can easily be seen as an earthly pursuit.

At the same time I fully understand the purpose of such ornate things, and don't object to them. But if we have to err, I'd say we should probably errr on the side that will make us more approachable.

[Pasong Tirad]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

I have no problem with it until the money used for ornate vestments and the like gets in the way of charity. Maintaining, restoring, repairing old decorations and vestments, relics and whatnot are of course necessary - but trying to get even more bling with a church (such as what happened with the church where I was baptised)? Unnecessary, especially when the area surrounding the church is knee-deep in poverty.

[Luminesa]

WE NEED MORE BLING.

AND LOTS OF IT.

AND NOT FROM THE HOTLINE.

I'll take that as a point in favor.

I think he does too.

[The Blaatschapen]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

It's a pity. I want to be able to distinguish between Catholic church buildings and the bland protestant ones.

So I know which ones will set me aflame, and which ones will give me a tingling.

[Dylar]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

It's a pity. I want to be able to distinguish between Catholic church buildings and the bland protestant ones.

So I know which ones will set me aflame, and which ones will give me a tingling.

luckily, there's still a lot of the old, ornate cathedrals from hundreds of years ago that are still in use.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

I'd like for Churches to look appealing. My sentiment is ultimately yours, I hold the beauty of the Church dear.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

I have no problem with it until the money used for ornate vestments and the like gets in the way of charity. Maintaining, restoring, repairing old decorations and vestments, relics and whatnot are of course necessary - but trying to get even more bling with a church (such as what happened with the church where I was baptised)? Unnecessary, especially when the area surrounding the church is knee-deep in poverty.

I can agree with that; however, with the obvious exception of the Papal tiara, I think people really overestimate how expensive those ornate things are. Vestments can be made by the Church itself, or by companies owned by the Church (in the same way that the Church owns companies the make the wine for communion), and a lot can be done to make a church building beautiful without going too expensive. Moreover, I think you could get people to donate a lot when they go on pilgrimages.

But I definitely get that concern, and I think one way to counteract that, could be to do something sort of like the Russian and Romanian Churches are doing, and that's to build things like homeless shelters as a part of the complexes (not the same building) as churches.

[Dylar]

I have no problem with it until the money used for ornate vestments and the like gets in the way of charity. Maintaining, restoring, repairing old decorations and vestments, relics and whatnot are of course necessary - but trying to get even more bling with a church (such as what happened with the church where I was baptised)? Unnecessary, especially when the area surrounding the church is knee-deep in poverty.

I can agree with that; however, with the obvious exception of the Papal tiara, I think people really overestimate how expensive those ornate things are. Vestments can be made by the Church itself, or by companies owned by the Church (in the same way that the Church owns companies the make the wine for communion), and a lot can be done to make a church building beautiful without going too expensive. Moreover, I think you could get people to donate a lot when they go on pilgrimages.

But I definitely get that concern, and I think one way to counteract that, could be to do something sort of like the Russian and Romanian Churches are doing, and that's to build things like homeless shelters as a part of the complexes (not the same building) as churches.

However, they're still pretty expensive. It's $85 just to get one surplice for one of our Knights at our parish. And some of that cost is going to the person who sew's the very little amount of embroidery on that surplice.

[Benuty]

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

In case you don't know what a tulpa is, it is essentially a another autonomous person living inside of you with their own personality, opinions, thoughts etc. They are created by a person by their own volition. I think most likely they are just hallucinations, but I'm curious of the Christian perspective. Are they just hallucinations, malign spirits trying to manipulate you, or just some New Age thing?

It's a psychological disorder being "normalized" by certain religions, and in the States primarily by regressives found mainly in the dark underbelly of tumblr

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissoci ... y_disorder

To be fair before westerners turned it into rubbish of the secular nature it was related to Tibetan Buddhism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

[New Visayan Islands]

Question to Catholics: What do you think about the decline in ornateness in the RCC since Vatican II?

I'm curious, because, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I kind of hold the beauty of the Church dear, and I wonder how Catholics would feel about bringing back the ornate vestments and decorations of church buildings.

Ornateness is a double edged sword I think. That's a lot of money that could be spent on more practical things, and has long been a source of criticism against a Church that's supposed to be humble, and against the accumulation of wealth. It can easily be seen as an earthly pursuit.

At the same time I fully understand the purpose of such ornate things, and don't object to them. But if we have to err, I'd say we should probably errr on the side that will make us more approachable.

Besides, the era of having to be ornate enough to appear worth the time of feudal lords has long since gone to the annals of history. Now people expect the Church to return to her Scriptural roots, so to speak.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Ornateness is a double edged sword I think. That's a lot of money that could be spent on more practical things, and has long been a source of criticism against a Church that's supposed to be humble, and against the accumulation of wealth. It can easily be seen as an earthly pursuit.

At the same time I fully understand the purpose of such ornate things, and don't object to them. But if we have to err, I'd say we should probably errr on the side that will make us more approachable.

Besides, the era of having to be ornate enough to appear worth the time of feudal lords has long since gone to the annals of history. Now people expect the Church to return to her Scriptural roots, so to speak.

The scripture has its roots in the Church, not the other way around.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Ornateness is a double edged sword I think. That's a lot of money that could be spent on more practical things, and has long been a source of criticism against a Church that's supposed to be humble, and against the accumulation of wealth. It can easily be seen as an earthly pursuit.

At the same time I fully understand the purpose of such ornate things, and don't object to them. But if we have to err, I'd say we should probably errr on the side that will make us more approachable.

Besides, the era of having to be ornate enough to appear worth the time of feudal lords has long since gone to the annals of history. Now people expect the Church to return to her Scriptural roots, so to speak.

If anything the opposite view has come into place. Where once wealth was a reflection of providence and power, the favor of the divine, now it's viewed with suspicion. In true Marxist fashion the popular culture is has turned to viewing the wealthy as corrupt and duplicitous. So if the Church hoards wealth and fashions it on its cathedrals, it will appear as such