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by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:53 am
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:58 am
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:00 am
by Gim » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:01 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:Gim wrote:
Humans who don't repent and wittingly commit sins can go to Hell. However, if they repent, they can reach the paradise.
They don't want to listen.. That's even worse.. Can we stop this subject about my relatives here though? Whenever I think of it I get depressed..
Satan is a bitch, I never swear and God forgive me for by why should my family die for that assface? people think of Satan and they feel scared, I think about satan and I feel anger
by The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:07 am
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:13 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Liberty isn't anti-Christian.
No, but going against God is, he gave us orders to obey, and we should obey them because they are basically a survival guide on how to survive on this world without facing the consequences in the next one that is about to come.
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:14 am
by Gim » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:14 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
No, but going against God is, he gave us orders to obey, and we should obey them because they are basically a survival guide on how to survive on this world without facing the consequences in the next one that is about to come.
Sure, but I'm not going to take away anybody else's freedoms just because I follow God.
by Secundus Imperium Romanum » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:24 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
For me, I'll view it still as their own free will.
They have been raised that way, my grandmother is a semi-radical Christian, my parents had raised me an atheist, my mother was suppressed by my grandmother to be an orthodox and my father just got tired as the years passed, they still believe in God but they have that new anti Christian ideology "Do what thou wilt"
by Gim » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:26 am
Secundus Imperium Romanum wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
They have been raised that way, my grandmother is a semi-radical Christian, my parents had raised me an atheist, my mother was suppressed by my grandmother to be an orthodox and my father just got tired as the years passed, they still believe in God but they have that new anti Christian ideology "Do what thou wilt"
Liberty is not anti-christian, so much so that Jesus Christ can be considered as libertarian.
by Czechanada » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:36 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:Gim wrote:
That's why I respect the Orthodox as well.
Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..
by Czechanada » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:39 am
by FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:43 am
Czechanada wrote:Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:53 am
Gim wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
They don't want to listen.. That's even worse.. Can we stop this subject about my relatives here though? Whenever I think of it I get depressed..
Satan is a bitch, I never swear and God forgive me for by why should my family die for that assface? people think of Satan and they feel scared, I think about satan and I feel anger
Sorry about that. Man, it must be hard when those thoughts pop up. Maybe, you should pray to God to lend a helping hand to your relatives. I think that is better than convincing them yourself.
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:54 am
Czechanada wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..
You know, you could be the one to restart Iconoclast Orthodoxy.
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:00 am
Czechanada wrote:Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.
by Catlander » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:48 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:Czechanada wrote:Today, I've decided that I'll starting working on a book I've been planning to write in the far future; my goal is to advance a more comprehensive idea of religious freedom.
I just finished a factbook as to how Hellas can bail out of the 4th Reich and the US empire, I would love to make it a book, it's still a work in progress and if you would like to take a look it's below, also,good luck!
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:25 am
Catlander wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
I just finished a factbook as to how Hellas can bail out of the 4th Reich and the US empire, I would love to make it a book, it's still a work in progress and if you would like to take a look it's below, also,good luck!
I agree your factbook very much but with some differences. My opinion:
1) Ain't necessary to produce all you need. Only you need to trust a loyal change with another friendly countries F.i. 100 Olive Oil Tones x 1 Tone of iron, etc. or 2 millon of tourist from a clountry that will come to Hellas x send to this country 100.000 hellas university students 1 year, etc.
2) In Europe have more countries that not need UE (Norge, Switzerland, Island, Serbia, and other little nations (Lietchtenstein, Andorra, etc.). In America (not USA) you've a great market, etc. You have not alone.
3) First, you need to change the neoliberal style of life for an authartical style of life. It's so different (if you need a glasses you must to create optical industry and to form technical optics, etc.
4) Make your money. Absolutely yes. Destoy roads!? Nah... its only necessary borders. You will need the roads for your internal productivity!
5) Before to send people to the fields, you will must to make better lifespan in the villages. Our generation need more things than our grands. Young people want wi-fi, disco, pubs, electrodomestics, modern furniture, clothes, shoes, etc.
The most important is to link good relationships to exchange neccessary products that you never can to make it. Only these.
All you can to do by yourself is the real freedom you gets.
by The Blaatschapen » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:49 am
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:09 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:Gim wrote:
That's why I respect the Orthodox as well.
Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:38 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
Honestly, Orthodoxy is the closest you'll get to a Bible studying religion, the only negatives is that we worship idolatry, which God forbids, and we tend to have a stereotype where if you do good deeds to to other people you'll be saved, that's partly true, but alot of people that do this are not doing it by will, they are doing it because the church says so..
I can tell from this sentence here that you're not Orthodox. We venerate icons as a proxy, to send our respect to those portrayed in the icon. Also, since the Bible is also an icon (of the Word of God) then, by this logic, venerating it would also be idolatry.
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:41 am
Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:I can tell from this sentence here that you're not Orthodox. We venerate icons as a proxy, to send our respect to those portrayed in the icon. Also, since the Bible is also an icon (of the Word of God) then, by this logic, venerating it would also be idolatry.
As far as i'm concerned, idolatry points to both Idol worship and Icon worship, ever read the 10 commandments? let me remind you of the 2nd commandment: " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them", this us referring to worshiping God as an image (Both Idol and Icon), we don't need paintings from the medieval era to worship our lord, i'm not against paintings in church's walls, just worshiping those paintings, God knows if you love him or not, a painting would not change that, there have been numerous passages for not worshiping God as an image
by Traditionalist Conservative Hellas » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:50 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Traditionalist Conservative Hellas wrote:
As far as i'm concerned, idolatry points to both Idol worship and Icon worship, ever read the 10 commandments? let me remind you of the 2nd commandment: " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them", this us referring to worshiping God as an image (Both Idol and Icon), we don't need paintings from the medieval era to worship our lord, i'm not against paintings in church's walls, just worshiping those paintings, God knows if you love him or not, a painting would not change that, there have been numerous passages for not worshiping God as an image
It's not worship at all, and that's how I know you're not Orthodox, because an Orthodox person would have been corrected by their priest or other parishioners on such an obvious point.
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