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Roman Catholic
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Eastern Orthodox
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Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
4
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
12%
Methodist
33
4%
Baptist
67
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
55
7%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
22
3%
Other Christian
101
14%
 
Total votes : 745

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Postby Czechanada » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:25 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Exactly! :)

Death welcomes all regardless of who one is.


*into nothingness.

Which brings us to our original problem that you're basically worshiping nothingness.


Well, yeah, I'd personally hypothetically prefer nothingness to eternal life.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:32 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
*into nothingness.

Which brings us to our original problem that you're basically worshiping nothingness.


Well, yeah, I'd personally hypothetically prefer nothingness to eternal life.


I think that lacks imagination. Eternal life could be fun so long as it's not boring

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Postby Hakons » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:58 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dylar wrote:Eh, it's still in the Midwest, so we're in the same neighborhood, so to speak.

Louisiana is in the south silly


Indiana is the southern state of the midwest. :p

Hello, fellow Hoosier! I'm in the northern part of the state.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:15 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
*into nothingness.

Which brings us to our original problem that you're basically worshiping nothingness.


Well, yeah, I'd personally hypothetically prefer nothingness to eternal life.


So...If you were to worship a god you would worship nothing.

You're back to being an atheist, friendo. At least de-facto.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:34 pm

Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:36 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

"Kornily, who last month had a visit from Russian President Putin, expressed his concern that beards fell out of fashion (he clearly hasn’t been to Brooklyn). And also lamented that the tradition of beards has “completely disappeared from Catholic West”."

> Knows several Catholic priests with fabulous beards.

What a nut.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:36 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

That's an Old Believer. They're the schismatics who left over the alteration of the rites in 17th century Russia.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:55 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

"Kornily, who last month had a visit from Russian President Putin, expressed his concern that beards fell out of fashion (he clearly hasn’t been to Brooklyn). And also lamented that the tradition of beards has “completely disappeared from Catholic West”."

> Knows several Catholic priests with fabulous beards.

What a nut.


Catholic lay have beards. At least I do

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:56 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

That's an Old Believer. They're the schismatics who left over the alteration of the rites in 17th century Russia.



Well I say, this is embarrassing. Got caught only reading the headline :blush:

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:07 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

Beard = not gay

what?

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Postby Czechanada » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:12 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Well, yeah, I'd personally hypothetically prefer nothingness to eternal life.


So...If you were to worship a god you would worship nothing.

You're back to being an atheist, friendo. At least de-facto.


Yeah, but atheist's don't "worship" anything.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:18 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
So...If you were to worship a god you would worship nothing.

You're back to being an atheist, friendo. At least de-facto.


Yeah, but atheist's don't "worship" anything.


That's debatable

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dylar wrote:Eh, it's still in the Midwest, so we're in the same neighborhood, so to speak.

Louisiana is in the south silly

Louisiana is the Illinois of the south, so they're neighbors in metaphor.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:26 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
So...If you were to worship a god you would worship nothing.

You're back to being an atheist, friendo. At least de-facto.


Yeah, but atheist's don't "worship" anything.

Everyone worships something. Not everyone calls that something a God. Usually that something is called "me".
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:50 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post


This is funny because there's a whole movement within the homosexual crowd that's all about body and facial hair.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:56 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Alright Ortho's.. the beard shtick was funny, but it's getting ridiculous.

https://heatst.com/life/russian-priest- ... sm_fb_post

That's an Old Believer. They're the schismatics who left over the alteration of the rites in 17th century Russia.


To be fair, it wouldn't hard to imagine an ultra-traditionalist Orthodox saying something like that.

Or an ultra-trad anything for that matter xP
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:57 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's an Old Believer. They're the schismatics who left over the alteration of the rites in 17th century Russia.


To be fair, it wouldn't hard to imagine an ultra-traditionalist Orthodox saying something like that.

Or an ultra-trad anything for that matter xP

Ultra-trads don't really like beards that much. They're more of a moderate thing. Ultra-trads probably do blame women wearing pants(or men having long hair) for homosexuality, but they do it so often it doesn't make the news.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:02 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
To be fair, it wouldn't hard to imagine an ultra-traditionalist Orthodox saying something like that.

Or an ultra-trad anything for that matter xP

Ultra-trads don't really like beards that much. They're more of a moderate thing. Ultra-trads probably do blame women wearing pants(or men having long hair) for homosexuality, but they do it so often it doesn't make the news.


Ah, right. Latins aren't a big fan of beards.

Why is that?
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:23 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Ultra-trads don't really like beards that much. They're more of a moderate thing. Ultra-trads probably do blame women wearing pants(or men having long hair) for homosexuality, but they do it so often it doesn't make the news.


Ah, right. Latins aren't a big fan of beards.

Why is that?

No idea. Moderate trads tend to have beards, but for some reason the real rad trads don't. Part of it probably has to do with the western dress code for priests(Latin priests, outside of specific situations, were for a long time forbidden to have beards, presumably as a humility thing) and traddies tend to view the priest as the pinnacle of masculinity. Just the way the history developed, I guess.
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:52 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Well, yeah, I'd personally hypothetically prefer nothingness to eternal life.


I think that lacks imagination. Eternal life could be fun so long as it's not boring


Nothingness is like sleep; a peaceful slumber where one is safe and quiet forever. Besides, I wouldn't like to live in Heaven knowing that there are people burning forever in Hell. That's a very bourgeois ideal. :p

Unless of course the afterlife ends up being Arborea or The Beastlands.

Diopolis wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Yeah, but atheist's don't "worship" anything.

Everyone worships something. Not everyone calls that something a God. Usually that something is called "me".


Self-worship is called narcissism, mate! I hardly think that narcissism is going to be prevalent amongst an atheist population.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:33 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Yeah, but atheist's don't "worship" anything.

Everyone worships something. Not everyone calls that something a God. Usually that something is called "me".


This implies worship is a must. Also, I am the best Goddess.

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Postby Czechanada » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:37 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Everyone worships something. Not everyone calls that something a God. Usually that something is called "me".


This implies worship is a must. Also, I am the best Goddess.


I'll second that. ;)
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:03 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Ah, right. Latins aren't a big fan of beards.

Why is that?

No idea. Moderate trads tend to have beards, but for some reason the real rad trads don't. Part of it probably has to do with the western dress code for priests(Latin priests, outside of specific situations, were for a long time forbidden to have beards, presumably as a humility thing) and traddies tend to view the priest as the pinnacle of masculinity. Just the way the history developed, I guess.


I bet it ultimately comes from the Romans. They tended not to have beards if I recall correctly.

Well, until they wanted to be like Greeks.
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Postby Dylar » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:07 pm

Hakons wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: Louisiana is in the south silly


Indiana is the southern state of the midwest. :p

Hello, fellow Hoosier! I'm in the northern part of the state.

Hello neighbor! I'm in the central area of the state. Just about 30 minutes or so away from Indianapolis!
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:39 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Ah, right. Latins aren't a big fan of beards.

Why is that?

No idea. Moderate trads tend to have beards, but for some reason the real rad trads don't. Part of it probably has to do with the western dress code for priests(Latin priests, outside of specific situations, were for a long time forbidden to have beards, presumably as a humility thing) and traddies tend to view the priest as the pinnacle of masculinity. Just the way the history developed, I guess.


Also, and unrelated to the discussion, but what's with the sig? Please tell me you aren't seriously supporting Richard Spencer and that garbage. :/

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