Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[Hakons]

Happy Easter everyone! I'm very tired because someone decided to have our High School prom the day before Easter, but I'll still stumble on to service.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

Agreed. Priests who officiate false unions should be defrocked. The Orthodox Church has already made its position that clergy may not attend gay weddings.

Which raises an interesting point. Should we still allow churches to conduct marriages, when they aren't interested in following the law?

Merge church and state.
Now the church decides the law.
Problem solved.

[The Alma Mater]

Which raises an interesting point. Should we still allow churches to conduct marriages, when they aren't interested in following the law?

Merge church and state.
Now the church decides the law.
Problem solved.

Well, depends on which Church. If you merge Mormon Church and State polygamy might become legal. Not sure if alm other Christians would be happy about that.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

Merge church and state.
Now the church decides the law.
Problem solved.

Well, depends on which Church. If you merge Mormon Church and State polygamy might become legal. Not sure if alm other Christians would be happy about that.

Then you just brand them as heretics, problem solved

/sarcasm

[The Alma Mater]

Well, depends on which Church. If you merge Mormon Church and State polygamy might become legal. Not sure if alm other Christians would be happy about that.

Then you just brand them as heretics, problem solved

/sarcasm

Erdogan... it IS you

[Diopolis]

Surrexit Christus, Alleluia!
It was my first time getting to go to easter vigil in the traditional right- I'd been to triduum mass, stations, good friday service, and tenebrae before but had to go to my cousin's confirmation last year- and it was absolutely beautiful.

[Eli Islands]

Agreed. Priests who officiate false unions should be defrocked. The Orthodox Church has already made its position that clergy may not attend gay weddings.

Believers shouldn't either.

why shouldn't they, one of the most important lessons in the Bible is to love others. 1 John 4:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 13:13 (you should probably read those again)

[The Princes of the Universe]

Has anyone else thought about their, erm, final plans?

While decades away (so I pray), I would love to visit Jerusalem before I go. Other than that, I would like to be buried in Bohol, amidst my maternal forebears, with a funeral service akin to that of my late grandfather. Et tu?

I'm still working on the processional and offeratory hymns, but I think I've got the other two down.
Communion: https://youtu.be/EXd0rNU3lzU
Recessional: https://youtu.be/K5nxXduC6AM

[Jamzmania]

Believers shouldn't either.

why shouldn't they, one of the most important lessons in the Bible is to love others. 1 John 4:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 13:13 (you should probably read those again)

It doesn't mean you should support sin.

[Lennia]

Consider myself a Christian Deist, been considering joining a "real" church for some time now by working through hangups with orthodox Christianity. Sort of waiting on God to put me where they want me.

Anyone else been through this sort of thing?

[The Alma Mater]

why shouldn't they, one of the most important lessons in the Bible is to love others. 1 John 4:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 13:13 (you should probably read those again)

It doesn't mean you should support sin.

Indeed. Shun the sinner. Shuuunnnn.
Cause that totally stops the sinning.

[Eli Islands]

why shouldn't they, one of the most important lessons in the Bible is to love others. 1 John 4:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 13:13 (you should probably read those again)

It doesn't mean you should support sin.

can you show me where in the Bible it says gay marriage is a sin?

[Eli Islands]

why shouldn't they, one of the most important lessons in the Bible is to love others. 1 John 4:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 13:13 (you should probably read those again)

It doesn't mean you should support sin.

also our job as christians is to make more disciples and I don't think ostracizing some one for their supposed sin does that.

[The Princes of the Universe]

It doesn't mean you should support sin.

can you show me where in the Bible it says gay marriage is a sin?

A. Sola scriptura is a heresy.
B. Neither scripture nor wider tradition has any reference to a man leaving home and becoming one flesh with anyone but a wife (it is indeed physiologically impossible with any other combination).

[The Portland Territory]

Happy Easter to all my fellow NSG Christians here! The Lord has risen, let us celebrate!

[The Princes of the Universe]

It doesn't mean you should support sin.

also our job as christians is to make more disciples and I don't think ostracizing some one for their supposed sin does that.

To be a disciple implies accepting discipline.

[Eli Islands]

can you show me where in the Bible it says gay marriage is a sin?

A. Sola scriptura is a heresy.
B. Neither scripture nor wider tradition has any reference to a man leaving home and becoming one flesh with anyone but a wife (it is indeed physiologically impossible with any other combination).

there may not be a reference for it but I was asking for a reference against it, as in a bible verse or something else a long those lines.

[Eli Islands]

also our job as christians is to make more disciples and I don't think ostracizing some one for their supposed sin does that.

To be a disciple implies accepting discipline.

yes, but if you are turning away people because you feel sinners* shouldn't be loved or forgiven you aren't showing them what it means to be a christian.


*supposed

[Jamzmania]

To be a disciple implies accepting discipline.

yes, but if you are turning away people because you feel sinners* shouldn't be loved or forgiven you aren't showing them what it means to be a christian.


*supposed

No one said anything about turning people away.

[The Princes of the Universe]

To be a disciple implies accepting discipline.

yes, but if you are turning away people because you feel sinners* shouldn't be loved or forgiven you aren't showing them what it means to be a christian.
*supposed

True Christian marriage has always been one man and one woman. Any liaison outside that very specific context has always been regarded as a sin, and let me tell you that, as someone with proclivities that would lead me far outside that context, I have never felt in any way less than in Holy Mother Church.

[Eli Islands]

yes, but if you are turning away people because you feel sinners* shouldn't be loved or forgiven you aren't showing them what it means to be a christian.


*supposed

No one said anything about turning people away.

well I think if you tell people "if you are gay you deserve death" is gonna turn some people away.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A. Sola scriptura is a heresy.
B. Neither scripture nor wider tradition has any reference to a man leaving home and becoming one flesh with anyone but a wife (it is indeed physiologically impossible with any other combination).

there may not be a reference for it but I was asking for a reference against it, as in a bible verse or something else a long those lines.

The tradition holds that all non heterosexual and non(word I don't want to use) intercourse is sinful. It's firstly that there is not a homosexual marriage, and secondly that what we now know as sodomy is sinful.

[The Princes of the Universe]

No one said anything about turning people away.

well I think if you tell people "if you are gay you deserve death" is gonna turn some people away.

Such a stance is also a heresy.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

also our job as christians is to make more disciples and I don't think ostracizing some one for their supposed sin does that.

To be a disciple implies accepting discipline.

Not really.

[Eli Islands]

there may not be a reference for it but I was asking for a reference against it, as in a bible verse or something else a long those lines.

The tradition holds that all non heterosexual and non(word I don't want to use) intercourse is sinful. It's firstly that there is not a homosexual marriage, and secondly that what we now know as sodomy is sinful.

when the tradition was made most homosexual acts were either rape or between a man and a boy. but the Bible never talks about loving consensual relationship.