Luminesa wrote:Your entire argument is basically, "Why does the past matter? All that matters is tomorrow.
Not only is that not my entire argument, it's not even part of my argument, and never has been.
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by Grave_n_idle » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:57 am
Luminesa wrote:Your entire argument is basically, "Why does the past matter? All that matters is tomorrow.
by Hakons » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:29 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Hakons wrote:Christ says "the Creator made them male and female," and "for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."
Why does Christ say this? Why Does Jesus cite these particular verses of the Hebrew scripture, in this exact way?
Because of the question he is asked:They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
The QUESTION involves a man and his wife, and that's why the answer does. too.Hakons wrote:...but it shows that Holy Matrimony is strictly heterosexual.
It does no such thing.
In fact, scripturally, gay marriage is the logical scriptural answer to homosexual sin. "It is better to marry than to burn."
by Eli Islands » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:02 am
by Diopolis » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:02 am
by Ashmoria » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:14 am
by Ashmoria » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:15 am
Diopolis wrote:Imagine my disappointment when I come back from my lenten hiatus to find yall arguing about whether the bible condemns homosexuality again.
by Eli Islands » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:20 am
by Ashmoria » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:24 am
Eli Islands wrote:Ashmoria wrote:when he talks about adultery and says that if you are lusting after a woman who is not your wife it is as bad a sin as if you acted on it.
did you not that that one in sunday school?
he did say that but what you originally quoted had nothing to do with lust for another women it was about whether being gay was a sin or if only acting upon it was
by Eli Islands » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:31 am
Ashmoria wrote:Eli Islands wrote:
he did say that but what you originally quoted had nothing to do with lust for another women it was about whether being gay was a sin or if only acting upon it was
oh so you think only lust for the opposite sex counts and that jesus gave a laundry list of exact sins and only those EXACT sins are sins?
I assume that you know you are gay because of the lust you feel for people who are your own gender. a man looking at a man and thinking about having sex with him is as much a sin, according to jesus, as if he and that man had actual physical sex with each other. the only thing that makes it NOT a sin is being joined in holy matrimony.
by Ashmoria » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:34 am
Eli Islands wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
oh so you think only lust for the opposite sex counts and that jesus gave a laundry list of exact sins and only those EXACT sins are sins?
I assume that you know you are gay because of the lust you feel for people who are your own gender. a man looking at a man and thinking about having sex with him is as much a sin, according to jesus, as if he and that man had actual physical sex with each other. the only thing that makes it NOT a sin is being joined in holy matrimony.
yes that is true but again you are arguing a different point. you specifically stated "when he talks about adultery and says that if you are lusting after a woman who is not your wife it is as bad a sin as if you acted on it." so when you respond "oh so you think only lust for the opposite sex counts and that jesus gave a laundry list of exact sins and only those EXACT sins are sins?" it seems like you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
by Eli Islands » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:37 am
Ashmoria wrote:Eli Islands wrote:
yes that is true but again you are arguing a different point. you specifically stated "when he talks about adultery and says that if you are lusting after a woman who is not your wife it is as bad a sin as if you acted on it." so when you respond "oh so you think only lust for the opposite sex counts and that jesus gave a laundry list of exact sins and only those EXACT sins are sins?" it seems like you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
do you actually have a problem with my contending that a man lusting after a man is a sin according to jesus?
by Hakons » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:30 am
Diopolis wrote:Imagine my disappointment when I come back from my lenten hiatus to find yall arguing about whether the bible condemns homosexuality again.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:24 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:If history is rigorous as science, then we have to discount virtually everything we know about the past, because writings are NOT sufficient to prove with a scientific consensus. History is NOT a science.
Your take on history might not be.
There's no inherent conflict between history and science, except when people people do it in an unscientific way. And even that can be useful. You can use the mythological 'history' they trade in to add texture to the real history.
by The Archregimancy » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:19 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
Your take on history might not be.
There's no inherent conflict between history and science, except when people people do it in an unscientific way. And even that can be useful. You can use the mythological 'history' they trade in to add texture to the real history.
Okay, tell me how to apply the scientific method to history.
by Luminesa » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:21 pm
Diopolis wrote:Imagine my disappointment when I come back from my lenten hiatus to find yall arguing about whether the bible condemns homosexuality again.
by Secundus Imperium Romanum » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:36 pm
The Princes of the Universe wrote:For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.Secundus Imperium Romanum wrote:Changing the subject, what is your opinion about the Coptic Church and other Christian aspects?
Keeping the faith while being constantly under persecution for 1400 years takes guts. I would like to attend a Coptic Catholic liturgy at least once before I die.
by Secundus Imperium Romanum » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:40 pm
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:13 pm
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
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