Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[Gim]

That's very racist. I wouldn't judge people like that.

but you are still judging...

I'm stating the words sound very racist. I'm not judging anyone.

[Eli Islands]

but you are still judging...

I'm stating the words sound very racist. I'm not judging anyone.

you are judging someones beliefs as "racist" I'm not disagreeing but its still judging

[Gim]

I'm stating the words sound very racist. I'm not judging anyone.

you are judging someones beliefs as "racist" I'm not disagreeing but its still judging

Fair enough. I'll be more careful next time.

[Salus Maior]

I'm stating the words sound very racist. I'm not judging anyone.

you are judging someones beliefs as "racist" I'm not disagreeing but its still judging

It's a pretty damn fair judgement.

When you're considering someone's natural skin color is a curse, basically considering the person themself as inferior, that's racist.

It's completely fair and apt. Doesn't matter if it's a belief that comes from a religion, it doesn't dignify it.

[Dooplevinia]

Thanks for trying to help but maybe someone how is actively a Mormon can explain as it seems you may be a tad confused. (No offense)

the only mormon I have actually interacted with smoked marijuana, was an alcoholic, committed adultery, abused her children, and told someone to kill themselves but, still to this day is adamant that they are a good mormon.

Mormons are generally good people they do not drink or smoke and usually try to help people when given the chance. The person you met was not a true Mormon. Also they believe that some sins are so horrible that Christ's blood can't atone for them, so one's own blood must be spilt, adultery being the main one.

I actually am not aware of this. I have never committed adultery so I don't know for sure xD To my knowledge all sins can be forgiven some take a little longer then others Adultery and Murder being among some of the longer. The only sin that can't be forgiven is the so called "Unpardonable Sin" Mentioned in the Bible as denying the Holy Ghost.

Dark skin is a sign of your evil that God puts on you, is what I believe it is.

They believe it is a curse on the person and once they are a true Mormon they turn white. Black skin is also thought to be the mark of Cain.

No. Actually Joseph Smith ordained black people to the priesthood in the very beginning. Later as the church grew it became common practice to not give Black People the priesthood despite there being no doctrine to back them up. In 1978 the issue was brought up as people were unsure Spencer W. Kimball (The then president of the Church) then received revelation that (I'm paraphrasing here) of course Black People could get the priesthood!

[Gim]

you are judging someones beliefs as "racist" I'm not disagreeing but its still judging

It's a pretty damn fair judgement.

When you're considering someone's natural skin color is a curse, basically considering the person themself as inferior, that's racist.

It's completely fair and apt. Doesn't matter if it's a belief that comes from a religion, it doesn't dignify it.

That I haven't done.

[Salus Maior]

It's a pretty damn fair judgement.

When you're considering someone's natural skin color is a curse, basically considering the person themself as inferior, that's racist.

It's completely fair and apt. Doesn't matter if it's a belief that comes from a religion, it doesn't dignify it.

That I haven't done.

Don't worry, I wasn't accusing you of it.

[Salus Maior]

Thanks for trying to help but maybe someone how is actively a Mormon can explain as it seems you may be a tad confused. (No offense)

Mormons are generally good people they do not drink or smoke and usually try to help people when given the chance. The person you met was not a true Mormon. Also they believe that some sins are so horrible that Christ's blood can't atone for them, so one's own blood must be spilt, adultery being the main one.

I actually am not aware of this. I have never committed adultery so I don't know for sure xD To my knowledge all sins can be forgiven some take a little longer then others Adultery and Murder being among some of the longer. The only sin that can't be forgiven is the so called "Unpardonable Sin" Mentioned in the Bible as denying the Holy Ghost.

They believe it is a curse on the person and once they are a true Mormon they turn white. Black skin is also thought to be the mark of Cain.

No. Actually Joseph Smith ordained black people to the priesthood in the very beginning. Later as the church grew it became common practice to not give Black People the priesthood despite there being no doctrine to back them up. In 1978 the issue was brought up as people were unsure Spencer W. Kimball (The then president of the Church) then received revelation that (I'm paraphrasing here) of course Black People could get the priesthood!

Are you yourself Mormon?

[Gim]

That I haven't done.

Don't worry, I wasn't accusing you of it.

Yeah, thanks.

[Dooplevinia]

Thanks for trying to help but maybe someone how is actively a Mormon can explain as it seems you may be a tad confused. (No offense)

I actually am not aware of this. I have never committed adultery so I don't know for sure xD To my knowledge all sins can be forgiven some take a little longer then others Adultery and Murder being among some of the longer. The only sin that can't be forgiven is the so called "Unpardonable Sin" Mentioned in the Bible as denying the Holy Ghost.

No. Actually Joseph Smith ordained black people to the priesthood in the very beginning. Later as the church grew it became common practice to not give Black People the priesthood despite there being no doctrine to back them up. In 1978 the issue was brought up as people were unsure Spencer W. Kimball (The then president of the Church) then received revelation that (I'm paraphrasing here) of course Black People could get the priesthood!

Are you yourself Mormon?

Yes I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

[Jamzmania]

Thanks for trying to help but maybe someone how is actively a Mormon can explain as it seems you may be a tad confused. (No offense)

Mormons are generally good people they do not drink or smoke and usually try to help people when given the chance. The person you met was not a true Mormon. Also they believe that some sins are so horrible that Christ's blood can't atone for them, so one's own blood must be spilt, adultery being the main one.

I actually am not aware of this. I have never committed adultery so I don't know for sure xD To my knowledge all sins can be forgiven some take a little longer then others Adultery and Murder being among some of the longer. The only sin that can't be forgiven is the so called "Unpardonable Sin" Mentioned in the Bible as denying the Holy Ghost.

They believe it is a curse on the person and once they are a true Mormon they turn white. Black skin is also thought to be the mark of Cain.

No. Actually Joseph Smith ordained black people to the priesthood in the very beginning. Later as the church grew it became common practice to not give Black People the priesthood despite there being no doctrine to back them up. In 1978 the issue was brought up as people were unsure Spencer W. Kimball (The then president of the Church) then received revelation that (I'm paraphrasing here) of course Black People could get the priesthood!

Apparently it was Brigham Young who banned blacks from being ordained.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Thanks for trying to help but maybe someone how is actively a Mormon can explain as it seems you may be a tad confused. (No offense)

I actually am not aware of this. I have never committed adultery so I don't know for sure xD To my knowledge all sins can be forgiven some take a little longer then others Adultery and Murder being among some of the longer. The only sin that can't be forgiven is the so called "Unpardonable Sin" Mentioned in the Bible as denying the Holy Ghost.

No. Actually Joseph Smith ordained black people to the priesthood in the very beginning. Later as the church grew it became common practice to not give Black People the priesthood despite there being no doctrine to back them up. In 1978 the issue was brought up as people were unsure Spencer W. Kimball (The then president of the Church) then received revelation that (I'm paraphrasing here) of course Black People could get the priesthood!

Apparently it was Brigham Young who banned blacks from being ordained.

Everything you need to know about Mormonism

[Dooplevinia]

Thanks for trying to help but maybe someone how is actively a Mormon can explain as it seems you may be a tad confused. (No offense)

I actually am not aware of this. I have never committed adultery so I don't know for sure xD To my knowledge all sins can be forgiven some take a little longer then others Adultery and Murder being among some of the longer. The only sin that can't be forgiven is the so called "Unpardonable Sin" Mentioned in the Bible as denying the Holy Ghost.

No. Actually Joseph Smith ordained black people to the priesthood in the very beginning. Later as the church grew it became common practice to not give Black People the priesthood despite there being no doctrine to back them up. In 1978 the issue was brought up as people were unsure Spencer W. Kimball (The then president of the Church) then received revelation that (I'm paraphrasing here) of course Black People could get the priesthood!

Apparently it was Brigham Young who banned blacks from being ordained.

Again he didn't "Ban" it. It was just a product of racism this EVERY Christian Faith in America had at the time. I would argue that the LDS Church was the least Racist. As said Black people could hold the priesthood up until Joseph Smith's death And have always been able to be Members of the church also when Joseph Smith ran for president one of the things he ran on was to end slavery. That was in the 1844 quite a revolutionary thought.

[Pasong Tirad]

Apparently it was Brigham Young who banned blacks from being ordained.

Again he didn't "Ban" it. It was just a product of racism this EVERY Christian Faith in America had at the time. I would argue that the LDS Church was the least Racist. As said Black people could hold the priesthood up until Joseph Smith's death And have always been able to be Members of the church also when Joseph Smith ran for president one of the things he ran on was to end slavery. That was in the 1844 quite a revolutionary thought.

How do you feel about the musical?

[Jamzmania]

Apparently it was Brigham Young who banned blacks from being ordained.

Again he didn't "Ban" it. It was just a product of racism this EVERY Christian Faith in America had at the time. I would argue that the LDS Church was the least Racist. As said Black people could hold the priesthood up until Joseph Smith's death And have always been able to be Members of the church also when Joseph Smith ran for president one of the things he ran on was to end slavery. That was in the 1844 quite a revolutionary thought.

Abolitionism had been a thing for quite a long time before 1844.

Also I'm not sure what else you call "we won't ordain any black people" other than a ban on ordaining black people.

E: Also, wasn't Young supposed to be a prophet of God?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Again he didn't "Ban" it. It was just a product of racism this EVERY Christian Faith in America had at the time. I would argue that the LDS Church was the least Racist. As said Black people could hold the priesthood up until Joseph Smith's death And have always been able to be Members of the church also when Joseph Smith ran for president one of the things he ran on was to end slavery. That was in the 1844 quite a revolutionary thought.

How do you feel about the musical?

You know the Mormon Church actually takes out ads in the Playbill for "Book of Mormon?" Talk about being good sports.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Again he didn't "Ban" it. It was just a product of racism this EVERY Christian Faith in America had at the time. I would argue that the LDS Church was the least Racist. As said Black people could hold the priesthood up until Joseph Smith's death And have always been able to be Members of the church also when Joseph Smith ran for president one of the things he ran on was to end slavery. That was in the 1844 quite a revolutionary thought.

Abolitionism had been a thing for quite a long time before 1844.

Also I'm not sure what else you call "we won't ordain any black people" other than a ban on ordaining black people.

E: Also, wasn't Young supposed to be a prophet of God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MXCCrxsWWQ

[Gim]

Are wyou yourself Mormon?

Yes I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

Do you agree with Warren Jeffs?

[Pasong Tirad]

How do you feel about the musical?

You know the Mormon Church actually takes out ads in the Playbill for "Book of Mormon?" Talk about being good sports.

The weird thing about that sentence is a church needing advertisement and not being a good sport towards a satirical musical.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

You know the Mormon Church actually takes out ads in the Playbill for "Book of Mormon?" Talk about being good sports.

The weird thing about that sentence is a church needing advertisement and not being a good sport towards a satirical musical.

What are ads, but purchased evangelism?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Yes I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

Do you agree with Warren Jeffs?

Wrong Church there buddy. Thats the FLDS, not the LDS that Doop is a part of.

[Luminesa]

Abolitionism had been a thing for quite a long time before 1844.

Also I'm not sure what else you call "we won't ordain any black people" other than a ban on ordaining black people.

E: Also, wasn't Young supposed to be a prophet of God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MXCCrxsWWQ

For some reason I read that as "The All-American Rejects"...and I thought of the band. Whoops.

(Disclaimer: I obviously do not think Mormons are rejects.)

[Gim]

Do you agree with Warren Jeffs?

Wrong Church there buddy. Thats the FLDS, not the LDS that Doop is a part of.

FLDS?

[Maineiacs]

Wrong Church there buddy. Thats the FLDS, not the LDS that Doop is a part of.

FLDS?

Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundament ... Day_Saints

[Gim]

FLDS?

Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundament ... Day_Saints

Right. It was Fundamentalist.