Grave_n_idle wrote:Besides - the Book of Mormon may have been translated in 1830, but the text was written between 2200BC and AD421.
By a civilization that didn't exist.
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by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:01 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Besides - the Book of Mormon may have been translated in 1830, but the text was written between 2200BC and AD421.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:05 am
by Pasong Tirad » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:06 am
by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:07 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Why?
Surely they wouldn't write it if it wasn't true?
Mormons have died for their faith. If it wasn't true - they'd just recant. Surely.
by Luminesa » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:10 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Thunder Place wrote:Mormons think that, and it follows logically from their premise that it's, and I quote, "another testament of Jesus Christ." Its that premise I disagree with.
Why?
Surely they wouldn't write it if it wasn't true?
Mormons have died for their faith. If it wasn't true - they'd just recant. Surely.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:13 am
by Pasong Tirad » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:14 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Thunder Place wrote:Mormons think that, and it follows logically from their premise that it's, and I quote, "another testament of Jesus Christ." Its that premise I disagree with.
Why?
Surely they wouldn't write it if it wasn't true?
Mormons have died for their faith. If it wasn't true - they'd just recant. Surely.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:24 am
by Lady Scylla » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:29 am
by Lady Scylla » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:31 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
Why?
Surely they wouldn't write it if it wasn't true?
Mormons have died for their faith. If it wasn't true - they'd just recant. Surely.
Belief in a thing is a beautiful and terrible motivation. People die for every kind of belief - belief in faith, lack of faith (I think?), nations, races, what have you.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:33 am
by Lady Scylla » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:35 am
by Gondolaulus » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:36 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
Why?
Surely they wouldn't write it if it wasn't true?
Mormons have died for their faith. If it wasn't true - they'd just recant. Surely.
Belief in a thing is a beautiful and terrible motivation. People die for every kind of belief - belief in faith, lack of faith (I think?), nations, races, what have you.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:36 am
Lady Scylla wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
I'm sure there have been Atheist "Martyrs"
Bit of an odd thing if there have. Antitheists ones, perhaps. But I never like including them into general Atheism. I just have a lack of faith, I feel it's a bad thing to have if led by blindly. I can't foresee myself sacrificing my life because I don't have faith. Just seems paradoxical.
by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:51 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
You guys realize he's parroting typical Christian Justifications of the NT,...right?
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
That's because he's mocking them.
by Salus Maior » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:52 pm
Lady Scylla wrote:Bit of an odd thing if there have. Antitheists ones, perhaps. But I never like including them into general Atheism. I just have a lack of faith, I feel it's a bad thing to have if led by blindly. I can't foresee myself sacrificing my life because I don't have faith. Just seems paradoxical.
by Novsvacro » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:35 pm
Gondolaulus wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Belief in a thing is a beautiful and terrible motivation. People die for every kind of belief - belief in faith, lack of faith (I think?), nations, races, what have you.
It's a good thing to die for faith. It shows that oppressors cannot always bend the will of people.
See the Shia militias in Syria/Iraq for example.
Not Christian, but here is a video how martyrdom can inspire people
by Menassa » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:35 pm
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by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:18 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:10 pm
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