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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
268
36%
Eastern Orthodox
66
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
4
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
12%
Methodist
33
4%
Baptist
67
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
55
7%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
22
3%
Other Christian
101
14%
 
Total votes : 745

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Postby Montchevre » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:54 pm

Nioya wrote:As I've been thinking about my faith recently, I think I need to become extensively educated before getting baptized. I need to read much more about theology and the church before joining the religion fully. What do you guys think?

Just be an Anabaptist. That way you don't have to get baptized until adulthood.
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Postby Hakons » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:10 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.


The military or college are not your only options. You could go to a trade school where things are more hands on and less homework based. I think electricians and welders are trade school jobs, both of which are in high demand and will make an excellent career. I would be hesitant to join the military. It is quite clear we should love our enemies, and not kill them. Granted, one could work in a support position.

I have no experience with depression, but seeking a close relationship with Christ can provide amazing comfort. It's evident that you are close to God, so I think you have all you need to find peace. Focus on the joys and blessings in life as a Christian. Socialize with a loving group of Christians to be supported by. I always like to listening to songs and hymns to cheer me up. "What a Friend We Have in Jesus," and "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms" go well with your situation.
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Postby Coulee Croche » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:27 pm

Nvm
Last edited by Coulee Croche on Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:02 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:40 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Hm, I understand what you're going through. I'm going through a lot of uncertainty myself when it comes to...Well, the rest of my life.

I feel like I can't really give you a good answer, but I'll be praying, man.

Edit: What do you think is really making it hard for you in college? If you don't mind me asking.


Not really sure. I know I lack the motivation to do the homework, though when I do do it, there is always at least one assignment that I forgot all about and I just feel it is too much for me to keep up with. I'm also going through depression, which I think hinders my performance.

I tried getting organized ALOT, but it never works out because I am soon back to my old unorganized ways.


The military rout isn't a bad one dude. I did it, for the same reasons.

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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:48 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.

You don't always have to go into combat, in the military, and you get to travel the world!
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Gondolaulus » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:29 am

Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.

You are the master of your own life. If you do not feel like to join the army then don't do it. Reflect on yourself why you do not want to join and present those reasons to your family.

But do it in a gentle way, respect your parents. But I am sure you will do.
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Postby Czechanada » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:40 am

Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.


Bear in mind that there has been research that shows that military training has detrimental effects on mental health, so it may not be the best idea if you are living with depression.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:28 am

Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.

Don't do it. I had a cousin who was pressured into enlistment because he was depressed and not doing well in school; it messed him up pretty bad.
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Postby Papas Fresh Memes » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:41 am

yall need some Slayer lmao

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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:16 am

Diopolis wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.

Don't do it. I had a cousin who was pressured into enlistment because he was depressed and not doing well in school; it messed him up pretty bad.


That's why I don't want to join, I just think it'd make the depression worse.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:41 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Hm, I understand what you're going through. I'm going through a lot of uncertainty myself when it comes to...Well, the rest of my life.

I feel like I can't really give you a good answer, but I'll be praying, man.

Edit: What do you think is really making it hard for you in college? If you don't mind me asking.


Not really sure. I know I lack the motivation to do the homework, though when I do do it, there is always at least one assignment that I forgot all about and I just feel it is too much for me to keep up with. I'm also going through depression, which I think hinders my performance.

I tried getting organized ALOT, but it never works out because I am soon back to my old unorganized ways.

Have you thought of seeking counsel? A therapist? Or maybe your local priest if you're not up to that. I know I once went to one of the priests in my university and they gave the best counsel - but, of course, it's still different from therapeutic counsel from a licensed psychiatrist.

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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:44 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Not really sure. I know I lack the motivation to do the homework, though when I do do it, there is always at least one assignment that I forgot all about and I just feel it is too much for me to keep up with. I'm also going through depression, which I think hinders my performance.

I tried getting organized ALOT, but it never works out because I am soon back to my old unorganized ways.

Have you thought of seeking counsel? A therapist? Or maybe your local priest if you're not up to that. I know I once went to one of the priests in my university and they gave the best counsel - but, of course, it's still different from therapeutic counsel from a licensed psychiatrist.


I've been to a psychiatrist several times growing up, but all of them were about my ADHD, none were about depression.

My pastor counsels people who come to him, but idk what he would say to me. I think I'd make a good monk, but I'm Baptist.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:47 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Have you thought of seeking counsel? A therapist? Or maybe your local priest if you're not up to that. I know I once went to one of the priests in my university and they gave the best counsel - but, of course, it's still different from therapeutic counsel from a licensed psychiatrist.


I've been to a psychiatrist several times growing up, but all of them were about my ADHD, none were about depression.

My pastor counsels people who come to him, but idk what he would say to me. I think I'd make a good monk, but I'm Baptist.

Well I think if you want to seek outside help, your pastor and a psychiatrist are your best options.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:55 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Have you thought of seeking counsel? A therapist? Or maybe your local priest if you're not up to that. I know I once went to one of the priests in my university and they gave the best counsel - but, of course, it's still different from therapeutic counsel from a licensed psychiatrist.


I've been to a psychiatrist several times growing up, but all of them were about my ADHD, none were about depression.

My pastor counsels people who come to him, but idk what he would say to me. I think I'd make a good monk, but I'm Baptist.

It's not exactly unheard of for child Psychiatrists to ignore bigger, more crippling issues in favor of overdiagnosing ADHD. It might be a good idea to go back to seek help with depression.
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Postby Coulee Croche » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:26 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Have you thought of seeking counsel? A therapist? Or maybe your local priest if you're not up to that. I know I once went to one of the priests in my university and they gave the best counsel - but, of course, it's still different from therapeutic counsel from a licensed psychiatrist.


I've been to a psychiatrist several times growing up, but all of them were about my ADHD, none were about depression.

My pastor counsels people who come to him, but idk what he would say to me. I think I'd make a good monk, but I'm Baptist.

Ok, so i didnt need to delete my post. Anyways my mom, and two of my brothers are ADHD.

One of my brothers went to YCP -youth challenge program which is run by the army- it seemed to provide exactly the structure he needed without him having to take medication. They tested him at college level, he made straight A's, and later graduated top of his class.
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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:39 am

I did do JROTC in high school, it was part of the Navy, but if I go into the military, I'd most likely join the Air Force since it seems to suit me the best, with the Navy as my second option. My dad is fond of the Navy. He's never served in the military, but his uncle served in the Navy and he told me that from his experience that the Navy members are the only ones that seem sane and normal.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:05 am

Nordengrund wrote:I did do JROTC in high school, it was part of the Navy, but if I go into the military, I'd most likely join the Air Force since it seems to suit me the best, with the Navy as my second option. My dad is fond of the Navy. He's never served in the military, but his uncle served in the Navy and he told me that from his experience that the Navy members are the only ones that seem sane and normal.

Well, go where you feel the most peace-of-mind, and where you feel you'll best be able to put your skills to work. :)
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:14 am

Montchevre wrote:
Nioya wrote:As I've been thinking about my faith recently, I think I need to become extensively educated before getting baptized. I need to read much more about theology and the church before joining the religion fully. What do you guys think?

Just be an Anabaptist. That way you don't have to get baptized until adulthood.


Well, he's an adult already so the issue as to whether he should be baptized as a baby has kind of passed?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:24 am

Papas Fresh Memes wrote:yall need some Slayer lmao

Sabaton works just as good.

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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:24 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Montchevre wrote:Just be an Anabaptist. That way you don't have to get baptized until adulthood.


Well, he's an adult already so the issue as to whether he should be baptized as a baby has kind of passed?


There are other reasons to be Anabaptist, y'know?
1 John 1:9

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:32 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, he's an adult already so the issue as to whether he should be baptized as a baby has kind of passed?


There are other reasons to be Anabaptist, y'know?


Well, yes. But in reference to Nioya's own baptism it wouldn't really matter what position he takes, because he's of age to be baptized anywhere.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:49 am

What is this threads opinion on Pastafarians?

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:50 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What is this threads opinion on Pastafarians?

Needs more tomato sauce.
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"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:01 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What is this threads opinion on Pastafarians?

Needs more tomato sauce.

:rofl:
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:12 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I've been living with depression for awhile, and I thought I'd share my thoughts here.

Well, I'm not doing so well in college and a lot of my family members are pushing me to join the military, but I don't really want to go into it. The message seems to be everywhere I go, so I decided to ask God. I asked him if going into the military is His will, and He seems to have said no, but idk for certain.

When I prayed, I told Him I dread joining the military, but if it is His will, I will go.


I'd advise against going to the military, if only because I believe you haven't exhausted your options at the civil level.

Not all of us have to go to the military to be organized or feel better about ourselves. Sometimes, it just takes time and a change of pace. Sometimes it just requires counseling.

I'd say that, unless you and your family sees no other options on the table for you, you should consider other options before the military.
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