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Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

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Roman Catholic
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36%
Eastern Orthodox
66
9%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
4
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
36
5%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
93
12%
Methodist
33
4%
Baptist
67
9%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
55
7%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
22
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:18 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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No, you've been vilifying, and projecting hatred against Trump because your friend has issues. That's the point you can't seem to grasp. Trump isn't the cause of these emotions he is not actively brainwashing your friend to kill himself. Your friend has deapseated psychological problems that are the problem, and it is that problem that must be addressed.


I have been quoting my friend on the Trump is a problem thing.

The whole thing with Trump was started when he said that Trump was a source.

I am not projecting when my Friend said that he was part of the problem.

That is not "vilifying, and projecting hatred against Trump" Its paraphrasing him.




And you internalized that hatred. "I can't now as a Christian....etc etc" His position became your positiom.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:26 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I have been quoting my friend on the Trump is a problem thing.

The whole thing with Trump was started when he said that Trump was a source.

I am not projecting when my Friend said that he was part of the problem.

That is not "vilifying, and projecting hatred against Trump" Its paraphrasing him.




And you internalized that hatred. "I can't now as a Christian....etc etc" His position became your positiom.

Can you blame him ? The dark side has cookies.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:30 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:


And you internalized that hatred. "I can't now as a Christian....etc etc" His position became your positiom.

Can you blame him ? The dark side has cookies.


I honestly don't have a response

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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:19 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:It deserves a right punch to the face.


Not one for it I see.

I'm deeply upset no one understands the joke
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:05 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I have been quoting my friend on the Trump is a problem thing.

The whole thing with Trump was started when he said that Trump was a source.

I am not projecting when my Friend said that he was part of the problem.

That is not "vilifying, and projecting hatred against Trump" Its paraphrasing him.

Then what do you propose to do about it?


Condemn Donald Trump as part of the problem.
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I have been quoting my friend on the Trump is a problem thing.

The whole thing with Trump was started when he said that Trump was a source.

I am not projecting when my Friend said that he was part of the problem.

That is not "vilifying, and projecting hatred against Trump" Its paraphrasing him.




And you internalized that hatred. "I can't now as a Christian....etc etc" His position became your positiom.


Before he did this, I wasn't exactly his biggest fan ether.

But now, to see him listed as the cause of my friends misery, it just breaks me.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:41 am

The Alexanderians wrote:
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Not one for it I see.

I'm deeply upset no one understands the joke


;-;

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:00 am

Anyway, going to bed, goodnight.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:16 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Anyway, going to bed, goodnight.


Night.

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Postby Czechanada » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:13 am

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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:18 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Um, what? The relationship between faith in Christ and personal works has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. Pick a better passage next time you try to pull that one.

Now,He does have a right to Privacy, and I'm sorry if you've fantasized otherwise, but I've never once asked you to reveal what those reasons are. I've merely chastised you for you using this situation to virtue signal to the Christians on this thread about your disdain for Trump, and how you think it's unchristian to support Trump because your friend is going through those trials and tribulations Christ enumerated on quite extensively. You asked us to pray for your friend. You didn't even need to give a context for those prayers and people would still have done it.

"Guys my friends going through a rough time,can you pray for him" that would have been completely sufficient to the goal of getting prayers for your friend. If that was just your goal.


Instead you then went on a rant about how you "as a Christian" can't support Trump, and he's the source of all your friends problems and implied you're gonna make sure he pays cause "no body does this on my watch". "It's personal now"


One, it's blatant social posturing, meant to make us think highly of you; as well as ideological and virtue signaling. Getting prayers for your friend comes off like a secondary concern.

Two, it's completely impotent. Trump is the president elect, you're a random anon on the internet. What on God's green earth are you gonna do?


Three. It's deflecting from your friends actual issues. Trump is just a man, he has no power to make one suicidal. Suicidal tendencies are self generated. It has everything to do with the person experiencing them, not external input. Your friend, has real issues that need to be addressed. Trump is not one of them.



And yet again, checking my friend says that yes he is blaming Trump for his dad job future.

You seem to be missing that point.


TRUMP IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
When I had my suicidal episode, I blamed my mother. She was not responsible.
My point is, people with mental issues are not reliable sources as to the cause of their problems.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:14 am



Well 1 he's Presbyterian, which as far as I know, the prohibition on contraception is a local thing not a Theological imperative within that church.


He's not wrong.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:14 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Not one for it I see.

I'm deeply upset no one understands the joke


I got it ;)
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:34 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

And yet again, checking my friend says that yes he is blaming Trump for his dad job future.

You seem to be missing that point.


TRUMP IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
When I had my suicidal episode, I blamed my mother. She was not responsible.
My point is, people with mental issues are not reliable sources as to the cause of their problems.

I tend to disagree.

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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:07 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Diopolis wrote:When I had my suicidal episode, I blamed my mother. She was not responsible.
My point is, people with mental issues are not reliable sources as to the cause of their problems.

I tend to disagree.


He's kinda right. That's the whole point! Mental issue. Stiff upper lip usually solves most it usually.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:41 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Diopolis wrote:When I had my suicidal episode, I blamed my mother. She was not responsible.
My point is, people with mental issues are not reliable sources as to the cause of their problems.

I tend to disagree.


Disagree all you want, but he's right.

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:26 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I tend to disagree.

He's kinda right. That's the whole point! Mental issue. Stiff upper lip usually solves most it usually.

Less stiff upper lip and more seek professional help. It's that and Holy Mother Church that have kept me alive this long.
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:29 pm


RIP good sir. You've served Christ well, go to Him and receive your reward. May the Angels guide you to Heaven, and may you please pray for us. :(
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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:32 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:He's kinda right. That's the whole point! Mental issue. Stiff upper lip usually solves most it usually.

Less stiff upper lip and more seek professional help. It's that and Holy Mother Church that have kept me alive this long.

Eh. If th stiff upper lip doesn't quite work out, a glass of something strong usually does it.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:50 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Less stiff upper lip and more seek professional help. It's that and Holy Mother Church that have kept me alive this long.

Eh. If th stiff upper lip doesn't quite work out, a glass of something strong usually does it.

A stiff upper lip and stiffer drink might not be bad ideas, but they're no substitute for professional help or trust in God.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:03 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:Eh. If th stiff upper lip doesn't quite work out, a glass of something strong usually does it.

A stiff upper lip and stiffer drink might not be bad ideas, but they're no substitute for professional help or trust in God.

You sir, have never had bourbon aged in Wine barrels.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:04 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I tend to disagree.


He's kinda right. That's the whole point! Mental issue. Stiff upper lip usually solves most it usually.


Not in my experience.

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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:28 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Diopolis wrote:A stiff upper lip and stiffer drink might not be bad ideas, but they're no substitute for professional help or trust in God.

You sir, have never had bourbon aged in Wine barrels.

He's like 18, I hope he hasn't been drinking bourbon.
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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:34 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:You sir, have never had bourbon aged in Wine barrels.

He's like 18, I hope he hasn't been drinking bourbon.

Never too young to start!
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:37 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:You sir, have never had bourbon aged in Wine barrels.

He's like 18, I hope he hasn't been drinking bourbon.

Not sure why, but I always pictured him more like 15 or 16. :unsure:
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