The Sixties Scoop

[Nusaresa]

No one is forcing you to apologize.

Not forced; usually expected however.

It's the government that is doing it.

No one is forcing you to apologize.

Societal pressure forces us to.

Then you're basically Kowtowing to societal pressure, which is worse than begging forgiveness to a native child that is an orphan.

It's acknowledging that there was a mistake done in the first place, that is as far as it should go for the common person. The government is responsible for the reconciliation efforts.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Not forced; usually expected however.

It's the government that is doing it.

We have "National Sorry Day", as far as I know it is intended for the Government to apologise, Social pressures result in the Non-Indigenous populace (Usually the White population) being expected to apologise for deeds of which they played no part in committing.

[Nusaresa]

It's the government that is doing it.

We have "National Sorry Day", as far as I know it is intended for the Government to apologise, Social pressures result in the Non-Indigenous populace (Usually the White population) being expected to apologise for deeds of which they played no part in committing.

Wow. That's shitty.

Societal kowtowing is not equivalent to acknowledging or apologizing.

Just my five cents because Canada got rid of the penny :^)

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Not forced; usually expected however.

It's the government that is doing it.

Societal pressure forces us to.

Then you're basically Kowtowing to societal pressure, which is worse than begging forgiveness to a native child that is an orphan.

It's acknowledging that there was a mistake done in the first place, that is as far as it should go for the common person. The government is responsible for the reconciliation efforts.

When an entire community puts pressure upon another, usually with the support of many other communities such as the refugee community, it can force many to break under the pressure.

[Minzerland II]

Not forced; usually expected however.

It's the government that is doing it.

Then you're basically Kowtowing to societal pressure, which is worse than begging forgiveness to a native child that is an orphan.

It's acknowledging that there was a mistake done in the first place, that is as far as it should go for the common person. The government is responsible for the reconciliation efforts.

Did I ever say I kowtowed to the efforts of my society?

A bad way to acknowledge past atrocities, do we acknowledge all atrocities from the past with a day of reconciliation? The Government of today isn't the Government of yesterday, it owes nothing to them in the form of reconciliation, apologies or compensation. The day does nothing but instil guilt within people, and has done nothing for anyone.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

We have "National Sorry Day", as far as I know it is intended for the Government to apologise, Social pressures result in the Non-Indigenous populace (Usually the White population) being expected to apologise for deeds of which they played no part in committing.

Wow. That's shitty.

Societal kowtowing is not equivalent to acknowledging or apologizing.

Just my five cents because Canada got rid of the penny :^)

It's unfortunate, it has only served to pull an even bigger rift betwixt the indigenous community and Non-Indigenous community (Usually the White population); All it has caused is further resentment.

We're getting rid of the 5 cent coin.

[Nusaresa]

It's the government that is doing it.

Then you're basically Kowtowing to societal pressure, which is worse than begging forgiveness to a native child that is an orphan.

It's acknowledging that there was a mistake done in the first place, that is as far as it should go for the common person. The government is responsible for the reconciliation efforts.

When an entire community puts pressure upon another, usually with the support of many other communities such as the refugee community, it can force many to break under the pressure.

Well GG Australia you broke it while trying to fix it.

It's the government that is doing it.

Did I ever say I kowtowed to the efforts of my society?

A bad way to acknowledge past atrocities, do we acknowledge all bad from the past with a day of reconciliation? The Government of today isn't the Government of yesterday, it owes nothing to them in the form of reconciliation, apologies or compensation. The day does nothing but instils guilt within people, and has done nothing for anyone.

Again, why feel guilty of it?

Accept the fact that such shitty events happened. Both by the population and the government. There. Next is acknowledging that those were actually shitty events. Simple enough? Next is to ease into reconciliation, not jump in gung ho and beg for forgiveness no, no, no that's not going to do anyone's favors.

Apologies are never sincere one's one crosses a moral event horizon. But acknowledging it happened and making sure that those effected are given mutual dialogue to help them move on is more beneficial to all parties than saying 'this was shitty oh my god I'm so sorry' because this is what it appears as, and trust me, it looks bad on a personal level and on a group level. No one likes to be guilty nor does anyone want to guilt trip another into seventh hell for the sake of guilt tripping.

[Costa Fierro]

No one is forcing you to apologize.

Not forced; usually expected however, for a time if one did not apologise for deeds of the past, one would be looked down on.

No one is forcing you to apologize.

Societal pressure forces us to.

No they don't. No one expects you as individuals to walk up to the nearest (insert native person here) and apologize for the state's transgressions against its own people. Stop acting as if all (insert native people group here) are going to demand that you apologize personally.

Should the government apologize? Of course. Because as an institution, it was responsible for these crimes.

[Minzerland II]

Did I ever say I kowtowed to the efforts of my society?

A bad way to acknowledge past atrocities, do we acknowledge all bad from the past with a day of reconciliation? The Government of today isn't the Government of yesterday, it owes nothing to them in the form of reconciliation, apologies or compensation. The day does nothing but instils guilt within people, and has done nothing for anyone.

Again, why feel guilty of it?

I'm no psychologist, but it usually comes from being told your forefathers committed this and that, then having a day called 'National Sorry Day'.

Accept the fact that such shitty events happened. Both by the population and the government. There. Next is acknowledging that those were actually shitty events. Simple enough? Next is to ease into reconciliation, not jump in gung ho and beg for forgiveness no, no, no that's not going to do anyone's favors.

Apologies are never sincere one's one crosses a moral event horizon. But acknowledging it happened and making sure that those effected are given mutual dialogue to help them move on is more beneficial to all parties than saying 'this was shitty oh my god I'm so sorry' because this is what it appears as, and trust me, it looks bad on a personal level and on a group level. No one likes to be guilty nor does anyone want to guilt trip another into seventh hell for the sake of guilt tripping.

There are better ways to do it rather than a 'National Sorry Day'.

[Sassinia]

Typical western enslavement/genocide of other peoples.

Typical of someone who doesn't recognise the good the west has done, and has to look to the past for judgements.

Ah yes, the apologist. Please blabber out the goodness of "civilized" western civilization while I read through Chanakya's Arthashastra.

Namaste.

[Minzerland II]

Not forced; usually expected however, for a time if one did not apologise for deeds of the past, one would be looked down on.

Societal pressure forces us to.

No they don't. No one expects you as individuals to walk up to the nearest (insert native person here) and apologize for the state's transgressions against its own people. Stop acting as if all (insert native people group here) are going to demand that you apologize personally.

You really need to stop with the strawmen.

Should the government apologize? Of course. Because as an institution, it was responsible for these crimes.

No. The Government institution is a tool to be used by the elected administrative party, it is the members of the party that must apologise.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Not forced; usually expected however, for a time if one did not apologise for deeds of the past, one would be looked down on.

Societal pressure forces us to.

No they don't. No one expects you as individuals to walk up to the nearest (insert native person here) and apologize for the state's transgressions against its own people. Stop acting as if all (insert native people group here) are going to demand that you apologize personally.

Should the government apologize? Of course. Because as an institution, it was responsible for these crimes.

You're a Kiwi right, I doubt you know what it's like to live in areas with a large indigenous populations such as Cairns, or places in the Northern Territories.

[Nusaresa]

Again, why feel guilty of it?

I'm no psychologist, but it usually comes from being told your forefathers committed this and that, then having a day called 'National SorryDay'.

Well the past has past. That is why reconciliation and mutual dialogue is important. It's the method for people, both native and non natives alike, to move on and realize that it has past and things will get better.

Accept the fact that such shitty events happened. Both by the population and the government. There. Next is acknowledging that those were actually shitty events. Simple enough? Next is to ease into reconciliation, not jump in gung ho and beg for forgiveness no, no, no that's not going to do anyone's favors.

Apologies are never sincere one's one crosses a moral event horizon. But acknowledging it happened and making sure that those effected are given mutual dialogue to help them move on is more beneficial to all parties than saying 'this was shitty oh my god I'm so sorry' because this is what it appears as, and trust me, it looks bad on a personal level and on a group level. No one likes to be guilty nor does anyone want to guilt trip another into seventh hell for the sake of guilt tripping.

There are better ways to do it rather than a 'National Sorry Day'.

Well yeah I'm saying that the very terminology sounds like a 'oh my gah, im so sorry' it comes off as rather insincere at best and at worst traps everyone in a sense of guilt and guilt tripping mentalities.

Typical of someone who doesn't recognise the good the west has done, and has to look to the past for judgements.

Ah yes, the apologist. Please blabber out the goodness of "civilized" western civilization while I read through Chanakya's Arthashastra.

Namaste.

You reek of pretentiousness and white savior syndrome.

This discourse follows me everywhere is2g why do I even have a tumblr

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Typical of someone who doesn't recognise the good the west has done, and has to look to the past for judgements.

Ah yes, the apologist. Please blabber out the goodness of "civilized" western civilization while I read through Chanakya's Arthashastra.

Namaste.

Ah yes the person that picks the west out and shames it even though every civilisation in recorded history has committed similar crimes.
Please babble on as I read a number of Western master pieces.

[Minzerland II]

I'm no psychologist, but it usually comes from being told your forefathers committed this and that, then having a day called 'National SorryDay'.

Well the past has past. That is why reconciliation and mutual dialogue is important. It's the method for people, both native and non natives alike, to move on and realize that it has past and things will get better.

There are better ways to do it rather than a 'National Sorry Day'.

Well yeah I'm saying that the very terminology sounds like a 'oh my gah, im so sorry' it comes off as rather insincere at best and at worst traps everyone in a sense of guilt and guilt tripping mentalities.

Then we're in agreement.

[Sassinia]

Ah yes, the apologist. Please blabber out the goodness of "civilized" western civilization while I read through Chanakya's Arthashastra.

Namaste.

You reek of pretentiousness and white savior syndrome.

This discourse follows me everywhere is2g why do I even have a tumblr

The only one having "white savior syndrome" are you guys, spouting out "Oh, but we invented *insert already invented thing here*!" every five seconds.

Don't you realize? You oh-so civilized western "whites" were barbarians a few centuries ago, while at the same time people in the East were living in luxury.

[Custerburgh]

You reek of pretentiousness and white savior syndrome.

This discourse follows me everywhere is2g why do I even have a tumblr

The only one having "white savior syndrome" are you guys, spouting out "Oh, but we invented *insert already invented thing here*!" every five seconds.

Don't you realize? You oh-so civilized western "whites" were barbarians a few centuries ago, while at the same time people in the East were living in luxury.

ayo hol up fam so u be sayin we wuz kangz?

[Minzerland II]

You reek of pretentiousness and white savior syndrome.

This discourse follows me everywhere is2g why do I even have a tumblr

The only one having "white savior syndrome" are you guys, spouting out "Oh, but we invented *insert already invented thing here*!" every five seconds.

Don't you realize? You oh-so civilized western "whites" were barbarians a few centuries ago, while at the same time people in the East were living in luxury.

You still haven't responded to my own post:

Typical western enslavement/genocide of other peoples.

That 'enslavement/genocide' is rather typical of all Human civilisations, I have no idea why you must single-out the West for this. Confirmation-bias?

[Camicon]

Presumably, but those Australians, like those individuals in Canada, were acting under the auspices of the government. The government, while it consists of individuals, is also something that exists beyond them. So why would an official apology from the government not be warranted?

Why is the Government, a tool of the elected party, which is no longer in power, being punished for the crime of the administrative party?

Politicians change with elections, bureaucrats and other staff do not.

[Sassinia]

The only one having "white savior syndrome" are you guys, spouting out "Oh, but we invented *insert already invented thing here*!" every five seconds.

Don't you realize? You oh-so civilized western "whites" were barbarians a few centuries ago, while at the same time people in the East were living in luxury.

You still haven't responded to my own post:

Typical western enslavement/genocide of other peoples.

That 'enslavement/genocide' is rather typical of all Human civilisations, I have no idea why you must single-out the West for this. Confirmation-bias?

Because the west committed genocide and enslaved the most? Isn't it obvious?

[Ebliania]

You still haven't responded to my own post:

That 'enslavement/genocide' is rather typical of all Human civilisations, I have no idea why you must single-out the West for this. Confirmation-bias?

Because the west committed genocide and enslaved the most? Isn't it obvious?

That is just cringe.

[Nusaresa]

You reek of pretentiousness and white savior syndrome.

This discourse follows me everywhere is2g why do I even have a tumblr

The only one having "white savior syndrome" are you guys, spouting out "Oh, but we invented *insert already invented thing here*!" every five seconds.

Don't you realize? You oh-so civilized western "whites" were barbarians a few centuries ago, while at the same time people in the East were living in luxury.

Blah blah blah spare me the drivel that divides people even further.

Also, what a HILARIOUSLY pathetic way of viewing history. Need I remind you of China's own imperial ambitions? How about Japan's views of civilization and barbarianism? Oh oh oh, how about how ethnic relations are a result of basic human psychology and the the only way to open one's minds into loving thy neighbor is by understanding them beyond the prejudices one holds and by understanding what can be done to improve relationships between races.

Your petty argument serves as nothing but a catalyst for conflict and resentment. 'Tolerance' is an empty word without understanding.

[Minzerland II]

You still haven't responded to my own post:

That 'enslavement/genocide' is rather typical of all Human civilisations, I have no idea why you must single-out the West for this. Confirmation-bias?

Because the west genocide and enslaved the most? Isn't it obvious?

It is disingenuous to say such a thing when most of the worlds history is either not recorded, or is lost to the ages. The West has only been able commit genocide on a larger scale.

[Minzerland II]

Why is the Government, a tool of the elected party, which is no longer in power, being punished for the crime of the administrative party?

Politicians change with elections, bureaucrats and other staff do not.

Then it is they whom must apologise, isn't it?

[Zostra]

That 'enslavement/genocide' is rather typical of all Human civilisations, I have no idea why you must single-out the West for this. Confirmation-bias?

Because the west committed genocide and enslaved the most? Isn't it obvious?

Oh boy, genocide olympics. While you can recognize the west has committed (and still commits) horrific acts, it's kind of difficult for the "East" to claim a moral high ground simply because they may have killed or oppressed less.