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Postby Othelos » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:38 pm

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Othelos wrote:Trump kind of seems like he has a poor grasp on foreign policy/events.

He does. He's a businessman. She was the secretary of state. You might not like her, but she has experience.

Oh of course, I rate her much higher on knowledge of foreign affairs. She actually seems like she has a grasp of what's going on.
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Postby Maichuko » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Did I hear this correctly Trump wants to extort Japan and South Korea for better trade agreements?
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Galloism wrote:I actually don't disagree with us being compensated by countries we protect.


Or at least ensuring they take their own measures to defend themselves instead of relying on us.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:38 pm

It'd be nice if she specified. That's how you beat Trump. Beat him with a stick named "details".
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Postby Camicon » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Maichuko wrote:Did I hear this correctly Trump wants to extort Japan and South Korea for better trade agreements?

He wants to extort everyone.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:38 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

She's proven to be a liar, Trump?

Fucking Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes has more integritythan you, Trump. You have no ground to criticize Clinton for untruthfulness.
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Mentioned working with Bernie Sanders. Oh boy.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Maichuko wrote:Did I hear this correctly Trump wants to extort Japan and South Korea for better trade agreements?

You heard right.
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Amnesty (this will be a long one):

Trump:

Why are you saying it is unfair to us legal immigrants? We don't give a shit. We really don't. Amnesty is an economically good thing so most of us immigrants support it. Also, the union of ICE endorsed you, not the individuals. Also, the crime IS an issue, and the human and drug trafficking, but you're not going to stop it with just "borders".

Also, no, they do not want the wall. We want better security, but NOT a wall! And okay, his position is a moderate one. +1

Clinton:

Her families argument is going to win Latino votes. Her issues with Trump's policies bringing them to the fore is a good thing as well. She shows the impracticality to do this.

-1 point for saying "the spirit of America in regards of immigration" (paraph.).

She actually makes good points. And she is right about the criminals being deported.

Trump rebuttal:

NAFTA is actually a GOOD thing! Also, the wall... yea, Trump.

Also, it's not that the wall wasn't built, it's that it wasn't finished!

Clinton rebuttal:

She uses Novus America's points I discussed with him. And I do feel she took the right approach. +1 there.

Good job on bringing Trump's undercut of undocumented workers! Good job! +2!

Trump:

Good job on being educated on the Obama deportations.

You keep putting people like me in, why?! Why are you talking for me?! Fuck you Trump, don't bring us legal immigrants into this!

Clinton:

Good job defusing the open border argument. Mike has a good question regarding wikileaks. Clinton has a good rebuttal and an explanation. Also, good job on Clinton bringing up Russian hacking and the government and the issues of Russians rigging the election. Also, oooooh that was a good one! The Putin question was good!

Trump:

Stop scaring us Trump. What?! HOW THE HELL ARE SYRIANS ARE GOING TO COME IN?!?!?!? Also what does the "name" has to do with it.

Trump, that was a weak one about Putin. Weak, weak, weak. You did say that you respected Putin. Why are you saying you don't know anything about Putin?!

Clinton:

Good burn! Trump has no defense. He just lost the question.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

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Postby Valaran » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Galloism wrote:I actually don't disagree with us being compensated by countries we protect.


It always sounds nice, but it is quite problematic in practice, though this goes too fast and I'm too tired to come up with a proper response.
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Postby AiliailiA » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Wallace is moderating well, with the long questions, authoritive tone and moving the subject along.

I think it favors Clinton to change subjects frequently, Trump will probably get confused and "pivot" too often away from the current subject
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Postby Camicon » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Wallenburg wrote:She's proven to be a liar, Trump?

Fucking Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes has more integritythan you, Trump. You have no ground to criticize Clinton for untruthfulness.

Calvin would make a better president, too.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Eol Sha wrote:It'd be nice if she specified. That's how you beat Trump. Beat him with a stick named "details".

Well she is beating him over the head with them now!
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Postby New West Guiana » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

:clap: Great well laid out plans Hillary.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Boy pulling out the great recession card.
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Postby Camicon » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Galloism wrote:I think my stream is a little bit behind the rest of you.

What are you using? I'm on Bloomberg's twitter feed.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

HRC on economy.
I think when the middle class thrives, America thrives. My plan wants to grow the economy, give middle class more opportunities. I want the biggest jobs program since WWII in infrastructure and manufacturing, new jobs in clean energy (to create new opportunity and address climate change). I want help on small business, raise the national wage. I want to make sure equal pay for women.

I want strong education system that starts with preschool through colleges, technical training and apprenticeships. I want debt free college or tuition free < $125K. We will work hard to make sure this works. Most of the gains have gone to the very top, so they will pay their fair share, and corporations make contributions.

Independent experts say it produces 10 million jobs. Donald's plan would lose 2.5 million jobs. His plan is to cut taxes and give big tax cuts to the wealthy, add $20trillion to the debt and cause dislocation from before. It'll be trickledown economics. I think my plan produces greater opportunities - his would lead to another great recession.

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Galloism wrote:I think my stream is a little bit behind the rest of you.

Are you watching NBC on youtube? Mine is behind too.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Government spending:

Lower taxes would be a bad idea.

Clinton:

Middle America argument, good start. Good going on the job producing programs.

Clean energy... that's debatable.

Small businesses was good. Small businesses is where job creation is at, so she has a point.

Technical Education and apprencticeships, good going.

Debt-free college for public colleges is also good. Private colleges won't be nationalized, so this is good.

Overall, decent response, but not enough benefits for 10 million jobs. Sounds a bit impractical.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:It'd be nice if she specified. That's how you beat Trump. Beat him with a stick named "details".

Well she is beating him over the head with them now!

Not really. :?
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Not as much sniffing tonight.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

At least she abandoned trumped up trickle down economics. That was an exceptionally bad line.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Yeaaaaaah, he's a proponent of college tuition as long as it gets spent on Trump You.
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