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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 pm

HRC response on abortion.
Well I strongly support Roe v. Wade which guarantees a Constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, difficult decision about her health care. In this case, not just about Roe, but what is happening right now in America; so many states are putting stringent regulations that block them from exercising that choice to the extent of defunding Planned Parenthood which has other benefits. Donald wants to defund PP, even supports shutting the govenrment down over it. I will defend PP and Roe, and allowi women to make their own decision. We have gone too far. He said that women should be punished for abortion.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 pm

Bownera wrote:
Galloism wrote:Right to bear arms.

So, why did they put this in the Constitution in first place?

We were a fledgling nation without the ability to create a standing army with territories nearby from the nation we just won our independence from and other empires. More specifically because we had just won a war by having an armed populace.


Short answer, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 pm

Wallace seeks clarification.
I'm going to let you respond, but I want to ask you Secretary Clinton, how far do you think that right goes? You've said a fetus has no constitutional rights, and you've voted against a ban on late-term partial-birth abortions. Why?

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Postby Libertas Regionem » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 pm

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Libertas Regionem wrote:Debate is actually still civilized kind of. This must be some sort of record.

Just give it a bit!

I know, but the candidates were actually civilized for like at least a solid five minutes.
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Postby Italios » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 pm

Gauthier wrote:Trump wants to keep the second Amendment intact but wants to overturn Roe v. Wade

I guess that means under a Trump Administration, abortion is legal provided a woman uses a loaded gun to do it.

I don't get how one can so passionately support a constitutional amendment about personal freedoms, yet be in favour of striking down Supreme Court rulings about another kind of personal freedom. It's so inconsistent.
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Postby Camicon » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

Italios wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Trump wants to keep the second Amendment intact but wants to overturn Roe v. Wade

I guess that means under a Trump Administration, abortion is legal provided a woman uses a loaded gun to do it.

I don't get how one can so passionately support a constitutional amendment about personal freedoms, yet be in favour of striking down Supreme Court rulings about another kind of personal freedom. It's so inconsistent.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:HRC response on abortion.
Well I strongly support Roe v. Wade which guarantees a Constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, difficult decision about her health care. In this case, not just about Roe, but what is happening right now in America; so many states are putting stringent regulations that block them from exercising that choice to the extent of defunding Planned Parenthood which has other benefits. Donald wants to defund PP, even supports shutting the govenrment down over it. I will defend PP and Roe, and allowi women to make their own decision. We have gone too far. He said that women should be punished for abortion.

Am I from a time in the recent past or do you have access to the answers already or...am I stroking out?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

HRC clarification on abortion.
Because Roe very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and health of the mother are taken into account. When I voted as a Senator, I did not think that was the case. The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are painful decisions to make. I have met women who find out their own health is in danger if carrying to term. I don't think US government should make those most personal decisions. You can regulate if you do so considering the life of the mother.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

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Italios wrote:I don't get how one can so passionately support a constitutional amendment about personal freedoms, yet be in favour of striking down Supreme Court rulings about another kind of personal freedom. It's so inconsistent.

Welcome to America. Let me introduce the Republican party...

Honestly, the democrats do the same thing on guns.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

Oh, she is bringing his statements on abortion.

Now, let's see where she goes with the abortion issue.

And her interpretation on the Roe v. Wade decision is good.

She is also winning points for making it personal and microhistory-like.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:HRC response on abortion.

Am I from a time in the recent past or do you have access to the answers already or...am I stroking out?


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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Trump on abortion.
I think it's terrible if you go with Hillary. In the 9th month, you can rip the baby out of the womb of the mother. You can say that that's okay, and so can she, but it's not okay with me. Based off where she's been, you can rip the baby out of the womb on the 9th month. Unacceptable.


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Postby Gauthier » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Aaaaaaaaand Trump appeals to emotion. And Hillary calls him out on it.

No Hillary, he *shouldn't* meet with those women. He might try to grab them.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

He just said the word "baby" quite a lot.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Trump is still calm....I don't know if I like this.

Edit: Oh shit, he's getting weird.
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Postby Italios » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Trump's simplification of abortion is annoying. Using words like "baby" and "rip out of the womb" is so misleading. Hillary has a point - avoid late-term abortions, but take into account the mother's health.
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Postby North Yeneva » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Oh crap, they're talking about Abortion rights.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:HRC response on abortion.

Am I from a time in the recent past or do you have access to the answers already or...am I stroking out?


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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Bownera wrote:So, why did they put this in the Constitution in first place?

We were a fledgling nation without the ability to create a standing army with territories nearby from the nation we just won our independence from and other empires. More specifically because we had just won a war by having an armed populace.


Short answer, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Not to mention that largely before World War II and especially before the Civil War, Americans were incredibly weary of standing armies and national defense was largely based on state militias being brought together to create armies.
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Italios wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Trump wants to keep the second Amendment intact but wants to overturn Roe v. Wade

I guess that means under a Trump Administration, abortion is legal provided a woman uses a loaded gun to do it.

I don't get how one can so passionately support a constitutional amendment about personal freedoms, yet be in favour of striking down Supreme Court rulings about another kind of personal freedom. It's so inconsistent.

The difference between having the freedom to own something that can potentially kill somebody and actually killing somebody might have something to do with it.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:HRC response on abortion.

Am I from a time in the recent past or do you have access to the answers already or...am I stroking out?

Sorting through the Reddit live thread and copy-pasting the transcript. If it annoys anyone, I'll stop.

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Postby New West Guiana » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Take baby, rip the baby, baby

And Hillary will dine on it tonight :rofl:
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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Gauthier wrote:Aaaaaaaaand Trump appeals to emotion. And Hillary calls him out on it.


To be fair she's doing that too. Of course her position makes a good deal more sense, but regardless of that.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Take baby, rip the baby, baby

Okay, clearly my new feed is a few minutes behind.
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