Charlotte Protests And Riots Thread

[Galloism]

Maybe - keep in mind we also know that black people are targeted and arrested at much higher rates than whites for crimes that we know are NOT disparately committed, such as smoking weed (evidence previously posted).

With data like that that shows disparate targeting of black people for such crimes, we have the question whether or not they are ALSO disparately targeted for other crimes.

Hence my categorization of "maybe".



Given we what we know about black people being disparately targeted by police, we shouldn't. The question is why are they disparately targeted.

Blacks happen to be targeted by police more often for certain drug crimes because blacks have a tendency to be more open about their drug dealing than whites. They deal on the street corners. They deal to strangers. It's a lot easier to catch someone dealing in this manner.

I think that's an assertion that would require evidence, but in any case it doesn't matter.

The simple facts is I was talking about marijuana use and possession, not dealing.

[Jamzmania]

Blacks happen to be targeted by police more often for certain drug crimes because blacks have a tendency to be more open about their drug dealing than whites. They deal on the street corners. They deal to strangers. It's a lot easier to catch someone dealing in this manner.

I think that's an assertion that would require evidence, but in any case it doesn't matter.

The simple facts is I was talking about marijuana use and possession, not dealing.

Like I said, drug dealing and use (and possession) go together very often. Plea deals will also often bring drug dealing down to possession.

[Galloism]

I think that's an assertion that would require evidence, but in any case it doesn't matter.

The simple facts is I was talking about marijuana use and possession, not dealing.

Like I said, drug dealing and use (and possession) go together very often. Plea deals will also often bring drug dealing down to possession.

I don't think you understand distribution.

Typically you require many many smokers to support one distributor, just as it requires many many shoppers to support one Wal-Mart. Most of those arrested for possession are most likely possessing.

In any case, your assertion still requires evidence.

[Ethel mermania]

Blacks also commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than whites.

Maybe - keep in mind we also know that black people are targeted and arrested at much higher rates than whites for crimes that we know are NOT disparately committed, such as smoking weed (evidence previously posted).

With data like that that shows disparate targeting of black people for such crimes, we have the question whether or not they are ALSO disparately targeted for other crimes.

Hence my categorization of "maybe".

Why is it so surprising, then, that they are involved in more altercations with police that end in lethal force being used?

Given we what we know about black people being disparately targeted by police, we shouldn't. The question is why are they disparately targeted.

Well I will leave this right here for perusal, the data in the pdfs may explain why.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/analy ... vity.shtml

From the report, city is about 25% black. Btw

Shootings
Shooting victims are most frequently
Black (73.3%) or Hispanic (23.2%). White
victims account for an additional (2.5%) of all
Shooting victims while Asian/Pacific Islanders
victims account for (1.0%) of all Shooting
Victims.
The race/ethnicity of known Shooting
suspects is most frequently Black (71.2%).
Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional
(25.6%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.3%)
and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%)
accounted for the remaining portion of known
Shooting suspects.
The Shooting arrest population is
similarly distributed. Black arrestees (68.1%)
and Hispanic arrestees (28.1%) account for the
majority of Shooting arrest population. White
arrestees (2.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander
arrestees (0.8%) account for the remaining
portion of the Shooting arrest population.

[Jamzmania]

Maybe - keep in mind we also know that black people are targeted and arrested at much higher rates than whites for crimes that we know are NOT disparately committed, such as smoking weed (evidence previously posted).

With data like that that shows disparate targeting of black people for such crimes, we have the question whether or not they are ALSO disparately targeted for other crimes.

Hence my categorization of "maybe".



Given we what we know about black people being disparately targeted by police, we shouldn't. The question is why are they disparately targeted.

Well I will leave this right here for perusal, the data in the pdfs may explain why.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/analy ... vity.shtml

From the report, city is about 25% black. Btw

Shootings
Shooting victims are most frequently
Black (73.3%) or Hispanic (23.2%). White
victims account for an additional (2.5%) of all
Shooting victims while Asian/Pacific Islanders
victims account for (1.0%) of all Shooting
Victims.
The race/ethnicity of known Shooting
suspects is most frequently Black (71.2%).
Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional
(25.6%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.3%)
and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%)
accounted for the remaining portion of known
Shooting suspects.
The Shooting arrest population is
similarly distributed. Black arrestees (68.1%)
and Hispanic arrestees (28.1%) account for the
majority of Shooting arrest population. White
arrestees (2.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander
arrestees (0.8%) account for the remaining
portion of the Shooting arrest population.

Does this mean that blacks are actually under-arrested for shootings?

[Alvecia]

Well I will leave this right here for perusal, the data in the pdfs may explain why.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/analy ... vity.shtml

From the report, city is about 25% black. Btw

Shootings
Shooting victims are most frequently
Black (73.3%) or Hispanic (23.2%). White
victims account for an additional (2.5%) of all
Shooting victims while Asian/Pacific Islanders
victims account for (1.0%) of all Shooting
Victims.
The race/ethnicity of known Shooting
suspects is most frequently Black (71.2%).
Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional
(25.6%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.3%)
and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%)
accounted for the remaining portion of known
Shooting suspects.
The Shooting arrest population is
similarly distributed. Black arrestees (68.1%)
and Hispanic arrestees (28.1%) account for the
majority of Shooting arrest population. White
arrestees (2.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander
arrestees (0.8%) account for the remaining
portion of the Shooting arrest population.

Does this mean that blacks are actually under-arrested for shootings?

Funny thing perspective.
To me that says blacks are over-suspected

[Equalaria]

I've said this many times- when black peoples relationships senselessly murdered by those tasked with serving and protecting the community, this violence is inevitable- it is a final means of standing against what amounts to be genocide

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I've said this many times- when black peoples relationships senselessly murdered by those tasked with serving and protecting the community, this violence is inevitable- it is a final means of standing against what amounts to be genocide

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

[Alvecia]

I've said this many times- when black peoples relationships senselessly murdered by those tasked with serving and protecting the community, this violence is inevitable- it is a final means of standing against what amounts to be genocide

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

They have, it's just The Bumper Book of Cliches has a slightly different definition to that of the dictionary.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

They have, it's just The Bumper Book of Cliches has a slightly different definition to that of the dictionary.

I believe that the likelihood of that is high.

[Equalaria]

I've said this many times- when black peoples relationships senselessly murdered by those tasked with serving and protecting the community, this violence is inevitable- it is a final means of standing against what amounts to be genocide

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

A police force that targets people of a certain color for systematic murder? No, I honestly haven't the slightest idea

[Ethel mermania]

Well I will leave this right here for perusal, the data in the pdfs may explain why.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/analy ... vity.shtml

From the report, city is about 25% black. Btw

Shootings
Shooting victims are most frequently
Black (73.3%) or Hispanic (23.2%). White
victims account for an additional (2.5%) of all
Shooting victims while Asian/Pacific Islanders
victims account for (1.0%) of all Shooting
Victims.
The race/ethnicity of known Shooting
suspects is most frequently Black (71.2%).
Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional
(25.6%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.3%)
and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%)
accounted for the remaining portion of known
Shooting suspects.
The Shooting arrest population is
similarly distributed. Black arrestees (68.1%)
and Hispanic arrestees (28.1%) account for the
majority of Shooting arrest population. White
arrestees (2.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander
arrestees (0.8%) account for the remaining
portion of the Shooting arrest population.

Does this mean that blacks are actually under-arrested for shootings?

The point I am trying to make is blacks in the city, are the suspects 70% of the time in shootings, so you would expect police to have 3x more contact with black gunmen than wit all other ethnice groups in the city combined.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

A police force that targets people of a certain color for systematic murder? No, I honestly haven't the slightest idea

If this were a genocide we'd be pulling them from their beds and killing them, we'd allow citizens to run around and kill them with no consequences.

[Ethel mermania]

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

A police force that targets people of a certain color for systematic murder? No, I honestly haven't the slightest idea

If someone believes this is happing in america, "doesn't know what they are talking about" is about the nicest thing I can say about them.

[Equalaria]

A police force that targets people of a certain color for systematic murder? No, I honestly haven't the slightest idea

If this were a genocide we'd be pulling them from their beds and killing them, we'd allow citizens to run around and kill them with no consequences.

Soviet-esque purging aside, it's far easier to shoot them en masse and blame them for being murdered.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

If this were a genocide we'd be pulling them from their beds and killing them, we'd allow citizens to run around and kill them with no consequences.

Soviet-esque purging aside, it's far easier to shoot them en masse and blame them for being murdered.

Your have proof that these murders are secretly a genocide in disguise is?
I can pull the same trick, How do we know if the murder of white Americans isn't a genocide in disguise?

[Equalaria]

Soviet-esque purging aside, it's far easier to shoot them en masse and blame them for being murdered.

Your have proof that these murders are secretly a genocide in disguise is?
I can pull the same trick, How do we know if the murder of white Americans isn't a genocide in disguise?

Because there are so many more black victims of police murder? Because black men are disproportionately gunned down by police relative to thier population? Because white people in many cases literally get away with murder, when a black kid can be killed for playing with a BB gun?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Your have proof that these murders are secretly a genocide in disguise is?
I can pull the same trick, How do we know if the murder of white Americans isn't a genocide in disguise?

Because there are so many more black victims of police murder? Because black men are disproportionately gunned down by police relative to thier population? Because white people in many cases literally get away with murder, when a black kid can be killed for playing with a BB gun?

That is not a genocide, that is racial bias, there is a difference.
They are not being exterminated, they are not being killed on a number that indicates genocide.
You say yourself said (highlighted) that people still get jailed for the murder of blacks Americans, "Many Cases" indicates that some people are getting jailed for it.
Nonetheless, even with the disproportionate amount of black Americans dying it doesn't spell out genocide, unless we have a direct admittance or strong supporting evidence to killing a black person based on the colour of their skin, we cannot blame it on racism directly, Unless there's something I've overlooked.

[Equalaria]

Because there are so many more black victims of police murder? Because black men are disproportionately gunned down by police relative to thier population? Because white people in many cases literally get away with murder, when a black kid can be killed for playing with a BB gun?

That is not a genocide, that is racial bias, there is a difference.
They are not being exterminated, they are not being killed on a number that indicates genocide.
You say yourself said (highlighted) that people still get jailed for the murder of blacks Americans, "Many Cases" indicates that some people are getting jailed for it.
Nonetheless, even with the disproportionate amount of black Americans dying it doesn't spell out genocide, unless we have a direct admittance or strong supporting evidence to killing a black person based on the colour of their skin, we cannot blame it on racism directly, Unless there's something I've overlooked.

You're being a tad pedantic in terms of an obvious, prolific bias. The police are shooting these people because they are black- there's your implicit bias. The astronomical rates for these murders further implies that this systemic bias is congruent to a sort of genocide of a race of people.

It may not be overt, round em up genocide, but it's state funded systemic murder, to be clear.

[Herskerstad]

You have obviously never been told what a genocide is.

A police force that targets people of a certain color for systematic murder? No, I honestly haven't the slightest idea

Can you imagine how it would look if the universal goal of the police force was to eradicate the black populace? There would not just be an odd person here and there gunned down, the population itself would be exterminated.

[Jamzmania]

That is not a genocide, that is racial bias, there is a difference.
They are not being exterminated, they are not being killed on a number that indicates genocide.
You say yourself said (highlighted) that people still get jailed for the murder of blacks Americans, "Many Cases" indicates that some people are getting jailed for it.
Nonetheless, even with the disproportionate amount of black Americans dying it doesn't spell out genocide, unless we have a direct admittance or strong supporting evidence to killing a black person based on the colour of their skin, we cannot blame it on racism directly, Unless there's something I've overlooked.

You're being a tad pedantic in terms of an obvious, prolific bias. The police are shooting these people because they are black- there's your implicit bias. The astronomical rates for these murders further implies that this systemic bias is congruent to a sort of genocide of a race of people.

It may not be overt, round em up genocide, but it's state funded systemic murder, to be clear.

In general, police are shooting these people because they are threatening the officers and/or others.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That is not a genocide, that is racial bias, there is a difference.
They are not being exterminated, they are not being killed on a number that indicates genocide.
You say yourself said (highlighted) that people still get jailed for the murder of blacks Americans, "Many Cases" indicates that some people are getting jailed for it.
Nonetheless, even with the disproportionate amount of black Americans dying it doesn't spell out genocide, unless we have a direct admittance or strong supporting evidence to killing a black person based on the colour of their skin, we cannot blame it on racism directly, Unless there's something I've overlooked.

You're being a tad pedantic in terms of an obvious, prolific bias. The police are shooting these people because they are black- there's your implicit bias. The astronomical rates for these murders further implies that this systemic bias is congruent to a sort of genocide of a race of people.

It may not be overt, round em up genocide, but it's state funded systemic murder, to be clear.

What?

While there is a racial bias in law enforcement, calling it genocide is insulting to actual victims of genocide.

[Ebliania]

That is not a genocide, that is racial bias, there is a difference.
They are not being exterminated, they are not being killed on a number that indicates genocide.
You say yourself said (highlighted) that people still get jailed for the murder of blacks Americans, "Many Cases" indicates that some people are getting jailed for it.
Nonetheless, even with the disproportionate amount of black Americans dying it doesn't spell out genocide, unless we have a direct admittance or strong supporting evidence to killing a black person based on the colour of their skin, we cannot blame it on racism directly, Unless there's something I've overlooked.

You're being a tad pedantic in terms of an obvious, prolific bias. The police are shooting these people because they are black- there's your implicit bias. The astronomical rates for these murders further implies that this systemic bias is congruent to a sort of genocide of a race of people.

It may not be overt, round em up genocide, but it's state funded systemic murder, to be clear.

If it's state funded there should be a paper trail. Also, astronomical?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You're being a tad pedantic in terms of an obvious, prolific bias. The police are shooting these people because they are black- there's your implicit bias. The astronomical rates for these murders further implies that this systemic bias is congruent to a sort of genocide of a race of people.

It may not be overt, round em up genocide, but it's state funded systemic murder, to be clear.

In general, police are shooting these people because they are threatening the officers and/or others.

Correction: police are shooting these people because they seem threatening to the officers and others.

Also, because several officers may have mental instability issues.

[Community Values]

That is not a genocide, that is racial bias, there is a difference.
They are not being exterminated, they are not being killed on a number that indicates genocide.
You say yourself said (highlighted) that people still get jailed for the murder of blacks Americans, "Many Cases" indicates that some people are getting jailed for it.
Nonetheless, even with the disproportionate amount of black Americans dying it doesn't spell out genocide, unless we have a direct admittance or strong supporting evidence to killing a black person based on the colour of their skin, we cannot blame it on racism directly, Unless there's something I've overlooked.

You're being a tad pedantic in terms of an obvious, prolific bias. The police are shooting these people because they are black- there's your implicit bias. The astronomical rates for these murders further implies that this systemic bias is congruent to a sort of genocide of a race of people.

It may not be overt, round em up genocide, but it's state funded systemic murder, to be clear.

"Astronomical"

100 unarmed black people died by police last year. They'll need to kill a lot more if they want to get anywhere close to the 37 million that live in the US.