Charlotte Protests And Riots Thread

[Des-Bal]

Yes, black males shot dead by police on the mere paranoia of violence as opposed to a white Soveteign Citizen actively shooting at fire fighters and police with intent to wound or kill not being gunned down like a zombie but instead calmly talked to until he surrendered.

Very disparate situations indeed, and your apologism amazes.

I think that's because you created an argument you found disgusting and then threw it at me. You're comparing a situation where responding officers acted on the presence of what they believed was a weapon to one with an actively violent person with fire superiority lighting up a fire truck. The swat team was called because the specific circumstances allowed that as a possibility and because directly engaging him would be suicidal. There was an opportunity for planning there that just didn't happen in the other cases. But you know what, why analyze when you can make judgement based on the race of the parties involved.

[Gauthier]

Yes, black males shot dead by police on the mere paranoia of violence as opposed to a white Soveteign Citizen actively shooting at fire fighters and police with intent to wound or kill not being gunned down like a zombie but instead calmly talked to until he surrendered.

Very disparate situations indeed, and your apologism amazes.

I think that's because you created an argument you found disgusting and then threw it at me.

Or you're refusing to register documented evidence that blacks and whites receive different treatment from police regarding possession of firearms.

[Kravanica]

Also who the hell is George Soros?

I mean I keep seeing the name being brought up like he's some amalgam of Hitler, Genghis Khan, Ming the Merciless and Skeletor, but no-one's really explained who he is.

A Democrat mega-donor who also broke the Bank of England.

[Des-Bal]

Or you're refusing to register documented evidence that blacks and whites receive different treatment from police regarding possession of firearms.

In the edit I elaborated on why you're being ridiculous.

[Gauthier]

Or you're refusing to register documented evidence that blacks and whites receive different treatment from police regarding possession of firearms.

In the edit I elaborated on why you're being ridiculous.

Oh good. Nice to figure out nothing short of a cartoon villain confession from police will get you to see there is a racial disparity in police conduct towards citizens as well as the rest of the criminal justice system

[Autumn Wind]

Also who the hell is George Soros?

I mean I keep seeing the name being brought up like he's some amalgam of Hitler, Genghis Khan, Ming the Merciless and Skeletor, but no-one's really explained who he is.

A Democrat mega-donor who also broke the Bank of England.

At least Soros actually has international influence. Saul Alinski organized against slum lords and corrupt aldermen in the 60s and they talk about him like he's some sort of later-day America Lenin.

[Des-Bal]

Oh good. Nice to figure out nothing short of a cartoon villain confession from police will get you to see there is a racial disparity in police conduct towards citizens as well as the rest of the criminal justice system

Very honest.

[The Lone Alliance]

OK then, how about contrasting the multiple cases of black males with fake weapons or even innocuous objects shot dead by police with say... Douglas K. LeGuin who lured out fire fighters and police with a dumpster fire and shot at them repeatedly, yet a SWAT team arriving on the scene reasoned with him until he was allowed to surrender?

So you're saying the SWAT team should have reasoned with him and then executed him anyway?

[Gauthier]

OK then, how about contrasting the multiple cases of black males with fake weapons or even innocuous objects shot dead by police with say... Douglas K. LeGuin who lured out fire fighters and police with a dumpster fire and shot at them repeatedly, yet a SWAT team arriving on the scene reasoned with him until he was allowed to surrender?

So you're saying the SWAT team should have reasoned with him and then executed him anyway?

Exactly. *nod nod*

Or I'm asking "Why do armed white men who actually shoot at civil authorities get significantly more leeway from police than even unarmed black men do?"

[Des-Bal]

Exactly. *nod nod*

Or I'm asking "Why do armed white men who actually shoot at civil authorities get significantly more leeway from police than even unarmed black men do?"

I'm more interested in why you ignore every aspect of different situations except for the races of the parties involved and then act like someone other than you has a problem.

[Gauthier]

Exactly. *nod nod*

Or I'm asking "Why do armed white men who actually shoot at civil authorities get significantly more leeway from police than even unarmed black men do?"

I'm more interested in why you ignore every aspect of different situations except for the races of the parties involved and then act like someone other than you has a problem.

So you're saying if those black men had been waiting in ambush for police and started opening fire on them the police would have taken cover and then tried to talk them down rather than just open fire like they probably planned to do anyways?

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

I'm more interested in why you ignore every aspect of different situations except for the races of the parties involved and then act like someone other than you has a problem.

So you're saying if those black men had been waiting in ambush for police and started opening fire on them the police would have taken cover and then tried to talk them down rather than just open fire like they probably planned to do anyways?

I would fire back at someone who is shooting at me, and last I checked firing on anyone in a residential area is going to produce some collateral damage. Don't see how the police would be wrong in this scenario. EDIT: Except that contrived bit about them planning to kill black people.

Additionally, I loved the part about "armed white men". Especially since the cop who shot the black man is well, black. More because it makes this race talk more mixed up.

But hey, don't let that stop you!

[Des-Bal]

So you're saying if those black men had been waiting in ambush for police and started opening fire on them the police would have taken cover and then tried to talk them down rather than just open fire like they probably planned to do anyways?

I'm saying that your'e comparing situations that have very little to do with each other. It's entirely possible that police are more eager to assume a black person means them harm than they are to form the same opinion about a white person and if it becomes apparent that such a problem exists it should be addressed. That being said any issue or racial prejudice with the police, regardless of how severe, is not cops going out hunting black people. I refuse to accept that you legitimately believe that officers drive to a scene thinking "oh boy we get to shoot a black guy" or that they assess a man opening fire on them with an AK-47 as a lower threat than someone sitting in a park. I think you're being incredibly dishonest and I think you've gotten so turned around that your dishonesty no longer serves any real purpose. People like you on both sides of this issue are precisely why it's so difficult to talk about.

[Imperializt Russia]

OK then, how about contrasting the multiple cases of black males with fake weapons or even innocuous objects shot dead by police with say... Douglas K. LeGuin who lured out fire fighters and police with a dumpster fire and shot at them repeatedly, yet a SWAT team arriving on the scene reasoned with him until he was allowed to surrender?

I would consider those very disparate situations.

Which is why it's utterly bizarre that the (white) person who opened fire on public personnel including security forces was reasoned with. The person actually attacking them, and shooting to kill.

Compared to the black guys who hold toy guns in shops.

[Des-Bal]

Which is why it's utterly bizarre that the (white) person who opened fire on public personnel including security forces was reasoned with. The person actually attacking them, and shooting to kill.

Compared to the black guys who hold toy guns in shops.

It's not really bizarre, you're comparing police confrontations and an ambush where the police were completely outgunned. Nobody went "wait, he's white we're all safe!" they went "shit he's shooting at us call the swat team." What you're implying is that the police aren't concerned with their safety or the safety of the public but whether or not they get a chance to shoot a black guy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It was just the one clip about them burning a reporter.

Okay, and?

[Jamzmania]

I would consider those very disparate situations.

Which is why it's utterly bizarre that the (white) person who opened fire on public personnel including security forces was reasoned with. The person actually attacking them, and shooting to kill.

Compared to the black guys who hold toy guns in shops.

Do you not recognize the difference between a holed up, surrounded gunman and a person standing directly in front of an officer suddenly reaching for a weapon with, as far as the officer knows, the intent to immediately open fire?

In both scenarios, the officers do what they need to do to protect themselves and others in the safest way possible. If they try to storm a well-defended position when negotiation is still an option, they put themselves and bystanders at serious risk. If they do not shoot a suspect who suddenly reaches for a weapon, they are liable to be harmed and incapacitated, thus putting themselves and others at risk.

[Conserative Morality]

It's not really bizarre, you're comparing police confrontations and an ambush where the police were completely outgunned. Nobody went "wait, he's white we're all safe!" they went "shit he's shooting at us call the swat team." What you're implying is that the police aren't concerned with their safety or the safety of the public but whether or not they get a chance to shoot a black guy.

That's not the implication at all, but I understand it's more effort to fight an argument that isn't a strawman.

[Des-Bal]

That's not the implication at all, but I understand it's more effort to fight an argument that isn't a strawman.

No, it really is. They're saying that the reason someone opening fire with an AK-47 is negotiated with while someone with a toy is shot is purely racial. There's not much else you can take from that.

[Imperializt Russia]

Which is why it's utterly bizarre that the (white) person who opened fire on public personnel including security forces was reasoned with. The person actually attacking them, and shooting to kill.

Compared to the black guys who hold toy guns in shops.

It's not really bizarre, you're comparing police confrontations and an ambush where the police were completely outgunned. Nobody went "wait, he's white we're all safe!" they went "shit he's shooting at us call the swat team." What you're implying is that the police aren't concerned with their safety or the safety of the public but whether or not they get a chance to shoot a black guy.

That is what appears to be occurring. Blacks don't get to be reasoned with. Whites do. Even when they've already opened fire. Blacks can do everything right and get septendecuple-tapped for the trouble; whites can do literally everything wrong and go home in something other than a bodybag.

I think that one of the recent police shooters was brought in alive, but I can't recall at all.

[Des-Bal]

That is what appears to be occurring. Blacks don't get to be reasoned with. Whites do. Even when they've already opened fire. Blacks can do everything right and get septendecuple-tapped for the trouble; whites can do literally everything wrong and go home in something other than a bodybag.

I think that one of the recent police shooters was brought in alive, but I can't recall at all.

That's simply not fucking true. You're comparing very different situations, ignoring everything except the race, and then acting like the race is the deciding factor.

[Zeinbrad]

I know, right. They should be more like white people and find legitimate things to riot about.

Like pumpkins.

The fuck is wrong with you?

That was sarcasm.

[Vassenor]

That is what appears to be occurring. Blacks don't get to be reasoned with. Whites do. Even when they've already opened fire. Blacks can do everything right and get septendecuple-tapped for the trouble; whites can do literally everything wrong and go home in something other than a bodybag.

I think that one of the recent police shooters was brought in alive, but I can't recall at all.

That's simply not fucking true. You're comparing very different situations, ignoring everything except the race, and then acting like the race is the deciding factor.

Perhaps you should explain what is actually going on then?

[Imperializt Russia]

That is what appears to be occurring. Blacks don't get to be reasoned with. Whites do. Even when they've already opened fire. Blacks can do everything right and get septendecuple-tapped for the trouble; whites can do literally everything wrong and go home in something other than a bodybag.

I think that one of the recent police shooters was brought in alive, but I can't recall at all.

That's simply not fucking true. You're comparing very different situations, ignoring everything except the race, and then acting like the race is the deciding factor.

They are very different situations. The situation that actually involves a violent encounter or a reasonable threat of one seems to be resolved relatively peacefully, in certain high-profile incidents featuring white gunmen. Usually of a far-right libertarian persuasion.

In certain high-profile incidents feature black men either armed and unthreatening, unarmed, or holding toy weapons, and not in any form of violent confrontation, the resolution is deadly.

[Des-Bal]

Perhaps you should explain what is actually going on then?

In what respect? In terms of the immediate discussion two vastly different situations are being compared, one where it made more sense to get to safety and call for back up and another moment where kill or be killed seemed to be the only option. In broader terms cherry picking on the part of beligerents on either side and the media to construct dishonest narratives.