The Question of the European Union

[The Klausian Canadian]

Good sirs, I thought I would utilize this platform for discussion on the European Union. The question is: What do you think the values/purpose of the EU is?

It has always amazed me that sane conservative Europeans could support the EU. Why is it that the most civilized and successful continent has stooped to such an infantile leftist project of a superstate. Honestly it's like they got the idea from Star Trek the second generation, because in the world of serious people anything that does not organize itself around the nation state is bizarre. We human beings may be individual actors but we are also social. New Atheism has proven the fallacy of God wrong long ago but the relevance of Christian values still stay. For society to function in a way that meets the needs of each individual they must be able to relate themselves to Christian and national values. The European Union fails where it assumes leftist retardation and tries to build a nation less communist super state without communism. One could even be proud of the USSR for its values but they can't be proud of the EU and its passive reformist communism.

I'd like to end on a quote from a very intelligent person whom I respect very much:

"We must say openly that the present economic system of the EU is a system of a suppressed market, a system of a permanently strengthening centrally controlled economy. Although history has more than clearly proven that this is a dead end, we find ourselves walking the same path once again. This results in a constant rise in both the extent of government masterminding and constraining of spontaneity of the market processes. In recent months, this trend has been further reinforced by incorrect interpretation of the causes of the present economic and financial crisis, as if it was caused by free market, while in reality it is just the contrary – caused by political manipulation of the market. It is again necessary to point out to the historical experience of our part of Europe and to the lessons we learned from it."

That sums up my point of argument very concisely good sirs.

[Community Values]

This ain't a blog. What's there to discuss?

EDIT: Never mind, the question was at the beginning. My bad.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The purpose of the EU is to unite Europe. The place where two two world wars and a cold war needs all the stability it can get.

Also, trade deals and freedom of movement are nice.

(Could you please not bold every starting letter It kinda looks bad)

[Mad hatters in jeans]

You may find some answers to your questions in the wiki article on the European Union.
It's all there in black and white, you stole the fizzing lifting drinks
you bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilised so you get nothing!
you lose! good day sir!

[Community Values]

Why should the nation state matter?

[Kelinfort]

"Passive, reformist communism"

Holy Shit, that's gold. Especially since the EU is a bunch of neoliberal shills to lefties.

[Ifreann]

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There's a hidden message here, I'm sure of it.

[Alvecia]

G...T...I...W...H...W...N...F...T...O...I...T...

There's a hidden message here, I'm sure of it.

Ran it through an anagram solver and came up empty, maybe it's encrypted as well.

[Aelex]

E.U is a joke. Not only did it completely failed to create an European identity or to even be saw as a legitimate source of authority by the citizens of the Nation-States that compose it but it's now the cause of the rise of the far-right, whose "blocking" was the original reason it was even created in the first place.

[Aelex]

Why should the nation state matter?

Because "Europe" don't.

[The Blaatschapen]

The EU is a project of peace through an internal market

Extremely neoliberal, the fact that the OP is trying to shift blame on the left makes me go

[The Klausian Canadian]

E.U is a joke. Not only did it completely failed to create an European identity or to even be saw as a legitimate source of authority by the citizens of the Nation-States that compose it but it's now the cause of the rise of the far-right, whose "blocking" was the original reason it was even created in the first place.

You are most intelligent out of all of the posters here (most are regressive leftists). Without a common language and culture people cannot have any meaningful relationship with each other. The EU is a leftist internationalist communist fantasy which can only be defended with the fallacy of ad hominem hyperbole.

[The Klausian Canadian]

Why should the nation state matter?

Because "Europe" don't.

Why don't they get it?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

E.U is a joke. Not only did it completely failed to create an European identity or to even be saw as a legitimate source of authority by the citizens of the Nation-States that compose it but it's now the cause of the rise of the far-right, whose "blocking" was the original reason it was even created in the first place.

You are most intelligent out of all of the posters here (most are regressive leftists). Without a common language and culture people cannot have any meaningful relationship with each other. The EU is a leftist internationalist communist fantasy which can only be defended with the fallacy of ad hominem hyperbole.

Insulting people's intelligence for disagreeing with you is a easy way to be warned by a mod.

(i.e could be considered a personal attack)

[The Klausian Canadian]

You are most intelligent out of all of the posters here (most are regressive leftists). Without a common language and culture people cannot have any meaningful relationship with each other. The EU is a leftist internationalist communist fantasy which can only be defended with the fallacy of ad hominem hyperbole.

Insulting people's intelligence for disagreeing with you is a easy way to be warned by a mod.

(i.e could be considered a personal attack)

Do not worry I only complimented someone's intelligence.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Insulting people's intelligence for disagreeing with you is a easy way to be warned by a mod.

(i.e could be considered a personal attack)

Do not worry I only complimented someone's intelligence.

The highlighted but may be interpreted as a personal attack.

[Community Values]

Why should the nation state matter?

Because "Europe" don't.

You're right. The only thing that one should be proud of is himself, and whatever else he wants to be proud of.

The idea that one should be proud of their country is ridiculous.

E.U is a joke. Not only did it completely failed to create an European identity or to even be saw as a legitimate source of authority by the citizens of the Nation-States that compose it but it's now the cause of the rise of the far-right, whose "blocking" was the original reason it was even created in the first place.

You are most intelligent out of all of the posters here (most are regressive leftists). Without a common language and culture people cannot have any meaningful relationship with each other. The EU is a leftist internationalist communist fantasy which can only be defended with the fallacy of ad hominem hyperbole.

Bit rude, assuming almost everyone here are "regressives"

Kinda funny that you mention ad hominems, considering you think there is any inherent "badness" with being labeled a "regressive"

[Angleter]

The EU should function, quite simply, as a free trade area. As an agent of regulatory convergence and the elimination of NTBs, its role is slowly being eroded by larger entities, like the WTO and UNECE. The Eurozone is a tragic disaster prompted by a '70s era fear of freely floating currencies amidst the collapse of the Bretton Woods system, while technological developments have made doing transactions in different currencies easier than ever. The customs union is an attempt to make one trade policy fit twenty-eight wildly varying economies, and as a result is inherently protectionist, conservative, and sclerotic - if it were ever a force for reducing worldwide barriers to free trade, it isn't now. Freedom of movement and Schengen are totally unnecessary and even counter-productive advances on the common and long-standing practice of visa-free travel (or visa-exempt with some form of electronic authorisation) between similarly affluent and low-risk countries. Attempts at a common foreign, defence, or security policy are superfluous, given the existence of NATO.

Increasingly, the cover of economic necessity is vanishing, leaving nothing but the ideological commitment to merging Europe into a single nation-state. But the European nation does not, should not, and almost certainly will never exist on the ground.

[Aelex]

You're right. The only thing that one should be proud of is himself, and whatever else he wants to be proud of.

The idea that one should be proud of their country is ridiculous.

I will take Patriotism over Egotism any time, personaly. Way less cringy and self-righteous.

[Geilinor]

Insulting people's intelligence for disagreeing with you is a easy way to be warned by a mod.

(i.e could be considered a personal attack)

Do not worry I only complimented someone's intelligence.

You complimented someone by insulting everyone else.

[Community Values]

You're right. The only thing that one should be proud of is himself, and whatever else he wants to be proud of.

The idea that one should be proud of their country is ridiculous.

I will take Patriotism over Egotism any time, personaly. Way less cringy and self-righteous.

Have fun. I just hope you don't try to force me to be patriotic.

And what do you mean, self righteous? Isn't the whole point of patriotism supposed to be a holier-than-thou attitude? "At least I support my country!"

[Old Tyrannia]

E.U is a joke. Not only did it completely failed to create an European identity or to even be saw as a legitimate source of authority by the citizens of the Nation-States that compose it but it's now the cause of the rise of the far-right, whose "blocking" was the original reason it was even created in the first place.

You are most intelligent out of all of the posters here (most are regressive leftists). Without a common language and culture people cannot have any meaningful relationship with each other. The EU is a leftist internationalist communist fantasy which can only be defended with the fallacy of ad hominem hyperbole.

Personal attacks, including implying that other posters in a thread are unintelligent, is frowned upon here. Cut it out or you'll be receiving a formal warning in the future.

I suggest that you brush up on the site rules.

[Vassenor]

> regressive leftists

Well that fell apart quickly.

[The NRA Republic]

The E.U was created by rich west european capitalists who tried to destroy european culture to make a global liberal pro-market acultural and apolitical society while they almost acheived their goals they forgot that europeans are actual peoples who are now rising against them

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The E.U was created by rich west european capitalists who tried to destroy european culture to make a global liberal pro-market acultural and apolitical society while they almost acheived their goals they forgot that europeans are actual peoples who are now rising against them

What?