Fascism Discussion Thread

[Imperial Union of America]

Well, I'm heading to bed. Don't bash each others' heads overnight! Nighty, y'all ^^

Goodnight.

[Mattopilos]

Yeah, I hear slavery was quite progressive at the time /s

Not just slavery. Citizenship was certainly possible and encouraged.

Yeah, once they were freed. Doesn't change the fact they were slaves. Also, people who were Latin were given 'limited' rights even as citizens. They still clearly saw themselves (the Romans) above all others.

[Wulfenia]

"Bolshevism is dead, in it's place is a kind of Slavonic Fascism." - Mussolini

Mussolini was wrong with that regard. I keep hearing that quote but it is a terrible quote since there was 0 private industry, it was all collectivize industry, do not tell me there is no difference between collectivism and fascist economy.

You are trying to reduce Fascism to the existence of private property, and that quite simply is not the case. Fascism could exist without private property, and Stalinism had all the features that are essential to Fascism (totalitarianism, nationalism, "the new man," etc.) the main difference was that one was idealist, and the other dialectical materialist. Even then there were Fascists who wanted a collectivized economy.

[Baltenstein]

Finally, a thread i can get behind!.

The Golden dawn is necessary for the future of greece, what with all the economic and refugee problems there, they might be the saviours of Europe.

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

[Philjia]

Once you concentrate power into a small elite, it always goes wrong, regardless of the particular ideology they hold.

[Imperial Union of America]

Finally, a thread i can get behind!.

The Golden dawn is necessary for the future of greece, what with all the economic and refugee problems there, they might be the saviours of Europe.

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

By kicking out the minorities and purifying the culture of deviant and degenerate elements.

[Mattopilos]

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

By kicking out the minorities and purifying the culture of deviant and degenerate elements.

Feel free to try and define the 'pure' elements and the 'degenerate' elements. I mean, for one, having black skin is better in regards to skin cancer prevention, so should we keep that? Homosexuality reduces the rate of population growth, so should we keep that? Having mixed race marriage and families increase the gene pool which further aids society (evolution in general, you see), so should we allow that?

[Socialist Tera]

Mussolini was wrong with that regard. I keep hearing that quote but it is a terrible quote since there was 0 private industry, it was all collectivize industry, do not tell me there is no difference between collectivism and fascist economy.

You are trying to reduce Fascism to the existence of private property, and that quite simply is not the case. Fascism could exist without private property, and Stalinism had all the features that are essential to Fascism (totalitarianism, nationalism, "the new man," etc.) the main difference was that one was idealist, and the other dialectical materialist. Even then there were Fascists who wanted a collectivized economy.

It did not feature totalitarianism, totalitarianism was term to separate socialism from fascism and you know that. Why would a fascist say this: “Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.” J. V. STALIN, from , “Concerning the International Situation,” 1924.

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

By kicking out the minorities and purifying the culture of deviant and degenerate elements.

How would you achieve purifying culture and degenerate elements? What happens to those would still want to marry minorities or refuse to comply to purification? What is deviant and degenerate? This is vague stuff.

[Baltenstein]

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

By kicking out the minorities and purifying the culture of deviant and degenerate elements.

Please define "deviant" and "degenerate". Which parts of society do you see as such? Jews? LGBT persons? Liberals? Feminists? All of those are on Golden Dawn's hit list.

And where do you propose, should the minorities go?

I already told you, by the way, that Golden Dawn only attacks immigrants they're not afraid of.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

By kicking out the minorities and purifying the culture of deviant and degenerate elements.

Feel free to try and define the 'pure' elements and the 'degenerate' elements. I mean, for one, having black skin is better in regards to skin cancer prevention, so should we keep that? Homosexuality reduces the rate of population growth, so should we keep that? Having mixed race marriage and families increase the gene pool which further aids society (evolution in general, you see), so should we allow that?

Well obviously any Anarchists, Communists or Socialists need to be purged! :^)

(I'm going to stop now, heheheheh)

[The United Remnants of America]

Finally, a thread i can get behind!.

The Golden dawn is necessary for the future of greece, what with all the economic and refugee problems there, they might be the saviours of Europe.

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

Oh, please let you be a fascist with an understanding of why the knuckle-draggers need to be put aside so the agreeable face of the movement can be seen.

I'm apparently the only one here as it currently stands who understands that logic.

[Mattopilos]

Feel free to try and define the 'pure' elements and the 'degenerate' elements. I mean, for one, having black skin is better in regards to skin cancer prevention, so should we keep that? Homosexuality reduces the rate of population growth, so should we keep that? Having mixed race marriage and families increase the gene pool which further aids society (evolution in general, you see), so should we allow that?

Well obviously any Anarchists, Communists or Socialists need to be purged! :^)

(I'm going to stop now, heheheheh)

Ay, nothing wrong with some friendly banter

[Baltenstein]

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

Oh, please let you be a fascist with an understanding of why the knuckle-draggers need to be put aside so the agreeable face of the movement can be seen.

Sorry bro - I'm centrist through and through.

[Wulfenia]

It did not feature totalitarianism, totalitarianism was term to separate socialism from fascism and you know that. Why would a fascist say this: “Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.” J. V. STALIN, from , “Concerning the International Situation,” 1924.

Totalitarianism was never used in the sense you purport it to. Stalin's denunciation of Fascism does nothing to detract from the fact he essentially created a Slavic form of Fascism, though there had already existed strong elements between Fascism and Bolshevism from before Stalin's days in power. A Soviet journal stated in 1923, "In the course of their activities, the Fascists constantly look to the Bolsheviks. A whole series of tactical moves cannot be explained as anything but a politically conscious imitation of the Russian Communist Party." they even named one of their squads the "Ceka" after the Russian secret police.

Zyuganov essentially advocated for Fascism in the end days of the Soviet Union, though I'm not sure what his opinions are today.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Please enlighten us how a bunch of hare-brained (seriously - they even make grammar errors in their official statements) Hitler worshippers who beat up immigrants (only the most vulnerable ones, like lone Pakistanis and Somalians, of course - Golden Dawn stays the hell away from Albanian organized crime in Greece) are going to be the saviours of Europe.

By kicking out the minorities and purifying the culture of deviant and degenerate elements.

depends how you mean with the latter. But lol. Good luck with the Minorities then.

[The United Remnants of America]

Oh, please let you be a fascist with an understanding of why the knuckle-draggers need to be put aside so the agreeable face of the movement can be seen.

Sorry bro - I'm centrist through and through.

Well, at least understand that not all fascists are those brutish Hitler monkeys.

Some of us have sense to not to shave our heads down and tattoo swastikas all over ourselves.

[Baltenstein]

Sorry bro - I'm centrist through and through.

Well, at least understand that not all fascists are those brutish Hitler monkeys.

Some of us have sense to not to shave our heads down and tattoo swastikas all over ourselves.

Sure, but the Golden Dawn, as you know, are precisely like that.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Sorry bro - I'm centrist through and through.

Well, at least understand that not all fascists are those brutish Hitler monkeys.

Some of us have sense to not to shave our heads down and tattoo swastikas all over ourselves.

Trve Aryan National Socialist vs. Neo Nazi Zionist Stooges
I get it.

No, yeah, but seriously, some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Italy tomorrow. Have a great day for me.

[Socialist Tera]

It did not feature totalitarianism, totalitarianism was term to separate socialism from fascism and you know that. Why would a fascist say this: “Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.” J. V. STALIN, from , “Concerning the International Situation,” 1924.

Totalitarianism was never used in the sense you purport it to. Stalin's denunciation of Fascism does nothing to detract from the fact he essentially created a Slavic form of Fascism, though there had already existed strong elements between Fascism and Bolshevism from before Stalin's days in power. A Soviet journal stated in 1923, "In the course of their activities, the Fascists constantly look to the Bolsheviks. A whole series of tactical moves cannot be explained as anything but a politically conscious imitation of the Russian Communist Party." they even named one of their squads the "Ceka" after the Russian secret police. It's like how Napoleon took influence from the American revolution and the enlightenment period yet doing the opposite.

Zyuganov essentially advocated for Fascism in the end days of the Soviet Union, though I'm not sure what his opinions are today.

I see it as a direct nod to what is popular as fascism need youth to support it, it's like how Hitler called his party, the Nationalist Socialists. A huge difference is that Stalin was actually elected by the party and the party was made by elected people.

[Wulfenia]

Well, at least understand that not all fascists are those brutish Hitler monkeys.

Some of us have sense to not to shave our heads down and tattoo swastikas all over ourselves.

Trve Aryan National Socialist vs. Neo Nazi Zionist Stooges
I get it.

No, yeah, but seriously, some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Italy tomorrow. Have a great day for me.

While I wouldn't want to badger her, it would be neat to get Alessandra Mussolini's autograph.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Trve Aryan National Socialist vs. Neo Nazi Zionist Stooges
I get it.

No, yeah, but seriously, some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Italy tomorrow. Have a great day for me.

While I wouldn't want to badger her, it would be neat to get Alessandra Mussolini's autograph.

*Googles*

Oh Shit.

[Wulfenia]

Totalitarianism was never used in the sense you purport it to. Stalin's denunciation of Fascism does nothing to detract from the fact he essentially created a Slavic form of Fascism, though there had already existed strong elements between Fascism and Bolshevism from before Stalin's days in power. A Soviet journal stated in 1923, "In the course of their activities, the Fascists constantly look to the Bolsheviks. A whole series of tactical moves cannot be explained as anything but a politically conscious imitation of the Russian Communist Party." they even named one of their squads the "Ceka" after the Russian secret police. It's like how Napoleon took influence from the American revolution and the enlightenment period yet doing the opposite.

Zyuganov essentially advocated for Fascism in the end days of the Soviet Union, though I'm not sure what his opinions are today.

I see it as a direct nod to what is popular as fascism need youth to support it, it's like how Hitler called his party, the Nationalist Socialists. A huge difference is that Stalin was actually elected by the party and the party was made by elected people.

Hitler did not name his party the National Socialists, Anton Drexler did, mainly because he was actually a socialist. Fascism's inspiration from Bolshevism came because they both descended from Marx in some way. Lenin was a successor to Marx's thought, while Mussolini received much of his beliefs from the theories of George Sorel, who was an unorthodox Marxist, but one still the same. Both wanted the same thing, a revolutionary state that would reform society along new lines.

It would not be accurate to say that Mussolini was absolute dictator of the party. They could, and did, remove him from power in 1943. Before that, he was openly mocked in 1920 by Fascist leaders who said they could get on without him, though they later rejected his resignation.

[The United Remnants of America]

Well, at least understand that not all fascists are those brutish Hitler monkeys.

Some of us have sense to not to shave our heads down and tattoo swastikas all over ourselves.

Sure, but the Golden Dawn, as you know, are precisely like that.

Which is why before fascism can be a dominant world force, we need to cull our own heard. Fascism is not a place for dissent, and the ruffians are that dissent.

[Dagashi Shojo]

I'd be lying if I said that the Mediterranean elements that made up Fascism had no impact on my worldview. The Charter of Carnaro is the closest I have to a political Bible, and my ideal would be a technical council made up of young people similar to what the Futurists advocated in the Fascist Party. But I have to reject totalitarianism, ultranationalism, and all other parts of Fascism that derived from Slavic and German barbarism.

[Mattopilos]

I'd be lying if I said that the Mediterranean elements that made up Fascism had no impact on my worldview. The Charter of Carnaro is the closest I have to a political Bible, and my ideal would be a technical council made up of young people similar to what the Futurists advocated in the Fascist Party. But I have to reject totalitarianism, ultranationalism, and all other parts of Fascism that derived from Slavic and German barbarism.

You aren't wrong - they had some pretty good points.