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by The Great Devourer of All » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:33 pm
Yymea wrote:We would definitely be scared of what is probably the most scary nation on NS :p
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Actually fairly threatening by our standards. And this time we really mean "threatening". As in, "we'll actually need to escalate significantly to match their fleets."
Valkalan wrote:10/10 Profoundly evil. Some nations conqueror others for wealth and prestige, but the Devourer consumes civilization like a cancer consuming an unfortunate host.
The Speaker wrote:Intemperate in the sea from the roof, and leg All night, and he knows lots of reads from the unseen good old man of the mountain-DESTRUCTION
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:34 pm
The Great Devourer of All wrote:The efficiency and fanatical devotion to the state found in fascist nations is highly appealing to me, but basic social rights are too important to me to just give up in exchange for the aforementioned qualities.
If I could have both, though...
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Imperial Union of America » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:35 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:35 pm
The Great Devourer of All wrote:The efficiency and fanatical devotion to the state found in fascist nations is highly appealing to me, but basic social rights are too important to me to just give up in exchange for the aforementioned qualities.
If I could have both, though...
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by The Great Devourer of All » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:35 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Great Devourer of All wrote:The efficiency and fanatical devotion to the state found in fascist nations is highly appealing to me, but basic social rights are too important to me to just give up in exchange for the aforementioned qualities.
If I could have both, though...
Fanatical devotion to a State is a terrible thing though.
Arcturus Novus wrote:The Great Devourer of All wrote:The efficiency and fanatical devotion to the state found in fascist nations is highly appealing to me, but basic social rights are too important to me to just give up in exchange for the aforementioned qualities.
If I could have both, though...
Yeah but most state systems here on Earth suck major dick so they don't really deserve "fanatical devotion". Maybe reluctant acceptance.
Yymea wrote:We would definitely be scared of what is probably the most scary nation on NS :p
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Actually fairly threatening by our standards. And this time we really mean "threatening". As in, "we'll actually need to escalate significantly to match their fleets."
Valkalan wrote:10/10 Profoundly evil. Some nations conqueror others for wealth and prestige, but the Devourer consumes civilization like a cancer consuming an unfortunate host.
The Speaker wrote:Intemperate in the sea from the roof, and leg All night, and he knows lots of reads from the unseen good old man of the mountain-DESTRUCTION
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:36 pm
Imperial Union of America wrote:Fascism is a much preferable model of government, provided you had a reasonable dictator. I think a lot of people realize this.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Imperial Union of America » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:37 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Imperial Union of America wrote:Fascism is a much preferable model of government, provided you had a reasonable dictator. I think a lot of people realize this.
Reasonable and Dictator are pretty much contradictory. The mere essence of having a single, unchallenged person is always going to lead to bad things.
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:37 pm
Imperial Union of America wrote:Fascism is a much preferable model of government, provided you had a reasonable dictator. I think a lot of people realize this.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:37 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Genivaria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:37 pm
Ganonsyoni wrote:Genivaria wrote:Class struggle is only something that I reluctantly support, a more collaborative form of society would be far more to my liking.
All the underlined I do oppose as well though.
Class collaboration is a core tenet of fascism. The capitalists work against the interest of the workers in order to enrich themselves and keep the workers dependent upon them for their own survival. The workers are maddened by their material conditions, but instead of working to overthrow the reasoning behind their oppression fascists work to trick and indoctrinate the masses to further their own goals and protect the state (see scapgoating of minorities in italy and germany and the rise of nationalism and militarism).
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:38 pm
Imperial Union of America wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Reasonable and Dictator are pretty much contradictory. The mere essence of having a single, unchallenged person is always going to lead to bad things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship#Benevolent_dictators
some interesting examples. i'm sure there are more.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:40 pm
Genivaria wrote:Ganonsyoni wrote:Class collaboration is a core tenet of fascism. The capitalists work against the interest of the workers in order to enrich themselves and keep the workers dependent upon them for their own survival. The workers are maddened by their material conditions, but instead of working to overthrow the reasoning behind their oppression fascists work to trick and indoctrinate the masses to further their own goals and protect the state (see scapgoating of minorities in italy and germany and the rise of nationalism and militarism).
Yet it is also practiced by social democratic countries found in Scandinavia the Benelux.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Arcturus Novus » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:40 pm
Imperial Union of America wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Reasonable and Dictator are pretty much contradictory. The mere essence of having a single, unchallenged person is always going to lead to bad things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship#Benevolent_dictators
some interesting examples. i'm sure there are more.
As the head of a "highly centralised and oppressive" regime, Tito wielded tremendous power in Yugoslavia, with his authoritarian rule administered through an elaborate bureaucracy which routinely suppressed human rights.[4] The main victims of this repression were during the first years known and alleged Stalinists, such as Dragoslav Mihailović and Dragoljub Mićunović, but during the following years even some of the most prominent among Tito's collaborators were arrested. On 19 November 1956 Milovan Đilas, perhaps the closest of Tito's collaborator and widely regarded as Tito's possible successor, was arrested because of his criticism against Tito's regime. The repression did not exclude intellectuals and writers, such as Venko Markovski who was arrested and sent to jail in January 1956 for writing poems considered anti-Titoist.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by The Great Devourer of All » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:40 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Great Devourer of All wrote:
You can say that, but you have yet to live the life of a man-god whose people will die by the thousands for him.
The issue is only one person can be that man-god. It's not going to be me (if it was, I would hope I try to abolish said position) and it's statistically impossible to be you.
Yymea wrote:We would definitely be scared of what is probably the most scary nation on NS :p
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Actually fairly threatening by our standards. And this time we really mean "threatening". As in, "we'll actually need to escalate significantly to match their fleets."
Valkalan wrote:10/10 Profoundly evil. Some nations conqueror others for wealth and prestige, but the Devourer consumes civilization like a cancer consuming an unfortunate host.
The Speaker wrote:Intemperate in the sea from the roof, and leg All night, and he knows lots of reads from the unseen good old man of the mountain-DESTRUCTION
by Imperial Union of America » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:41 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Imperial Union of America wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship#Benevolent_dictators
some interesting examples. i'm sure there are more.
Tito? Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito#EvaluationAs the head of a "highly centralised and oppressive" regime, Tito wielded tremendous power in Yugoslavia, with his authoritarian rule administered through an elaborate bureaucracy which routinely suppressed human rights.[4] The main victims of this repression were during the first years known and alleged Stalinists, such as Dragoslav Mihailović and Dragoljub Mićunović, but during the following years even some of the most prominent among Tito's collaborators were arrested. On 19 November 1956 Milovan Đilas, perhaps the closest of Tito's collaborator and widely regarded as Tito's possible successor, was arrested because of his criticism against Tito's regime. The repression did not exclude intellectuals and writers, such as Venko Markovski who was arrested and sent to jail in January 1956 for writing poems considered anti-Titoist.
by New confederate ramenia » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:43 pm
The United Remnants of America wrote:I know it's not a thing with classical fascism, but I've kind of personally taken fascism and combined it with a utilitarian mindset as well as state-capitalist economic values. Actually, it's what I developed over years for my nation.
Not sure if there's a real life form of fascism that's like that. I doubt there is, but I guess you never know.
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:44 pm
Imperial Union of America wrote:
Yeah, really.
It's pretty much assumed that a fascist state will repress dissent, regardless of dictatorial benevolence. I personally don't believe a fascist state should be benevolent, i think enemies of the state should be removed, after all.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by PaNTuXIa » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:45 pm
by Pandeeria » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:47 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Ganonsyoni » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:50 pm
Genivaria wrote:Ganonsyoni wrote:Class collaboration is a core tenet of fascism. The capitalists work against the interest of the workers in order to enrich themselves and keep the workers dependent upon them for their own survival. The workers are maddened by their material conditions, but instead of working to overthrow the reasoning behind their oppression fascists work to trick and indoctrinate the masses to further their own goals and protect the state (see scapgoating of minorities in italy and germany and the rise of nationalism and militarism).
Yet it is also practiced by social democratic countries found in Scandinavia the Benelux.
by Ganonsyoni » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:50 pm
Pantuxia wrote:Ganonsyoni wrote:Your brand of communism is dead if it isn't for the liberation of everyone.
My brand of communism is. That doesn't include assigning certain words as wrongthink and self-censoring. Liberation also requires free speech, which I value greatly, even if it hurts your feelings. Words are not oppressive.
by PaNTuXIa » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:52 pm
Ganonsyoni wrote:Pantuxia wrote:My brand of communism is. That doesn't include assigning certain words as wrongthink and self-censoring. Liberation also requires free speech, which I value greatly, even if it hurts your feelings. Words are not oppressive.
Hate speech isn't free. That's an entirely liberal concept.
by Minzerland II » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:52 pm
Ganonsyoni wrote:Pantuxia wrote:My brand of communism is. That doesn't include assigning certain words as wrongthink and self-censoring. Liberation also requires free speech, which I value greatly, even if it hurts your feelings. Words are not oppressive.
Hate speech isn't free. That's an entirely liberal concept.
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)
by Ganonsyoni » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:01 pm
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