People with ASD more Likely to Die Early

[Firsthome]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/ ... er-average

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/ ... rly-deaths

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/03March/Pag ... study.aspx

Basically, Aspies are dying 18 years or more younger then the "Average" person. High-Function people with ASD are 9 times more likely to commit suicide than the average person.

The answer for a lot of this is fairly simple: We're Lonely, Godamnit.

For some reason people don't get it. People with ASD aren't like Sociopaths, without affective empathy. We HAVE emotion. Some of us just have a hard time displaying it, or interpreting others emotions. Many of us might just be extremely lonely people but otherwise fairly normal. Aspies still need Normal human things, like contact.

So uh, Feel free to discuss how you feel about this, as I'm sure that probably a couple of you have ASD yourselves. What do you think causes early death?


And again, as I do about all topics involving Autism... Down with Autism speaks.

What Autism Speaks is
Autism Speaks was an organisation started by parents of children with Autism who want to cure them of Autism. Since their beginning only one member of the Board with Autism Spectrum Disorder has served on the board. He Resigned in shame of the other members.

They are considered a "Charity" but most of their funding doesn't go towards Helping parents with Autistic children, but Administration (their pay) and Scientific research on basically Trying to find a way to find an Autism gene to abort children with autism.

They denied a job to a woman with an Autistic child because she requested 2 days off a 5 day week to care for her son.

(This thread was originally locked for being too "Bloggy" I don't know how to make a blog so I didn't mean that to happen. I'm just a person who likes to read things and discuss them and I thought others would do the same (/owo)/)

[Risottia]

What do you think causes early death?

Generally, not fitting well in a society is rather deadly for social animals like humans. Not being at ease with emotional communication means not fitting well in our society.

So a rather unpleasant fact - hardly unexpected though.

[Romae Aemilius]

I'm not entirely sure that there is anything to do discuss besides being a shame.

[Imperial Union of America]

I think this situation is tied in with the poor state of mental health services, as well.

[The Serbian Empire]

There's nothing more for me to say than those who are unable to fit into society are more likely to die prematurely. Humans are social animals and it is quite clearly that frustration becomes depression, and then depression becomes suicidal ideation. And it's even more severe for the transgender population to the point of life expectancy being effectively close to halved. What is needed is better mental health accessibility.

[The Serbian Empire]

I think this situation is tied in with the poor state of mental health services, as well.

Particularly at the high-functioning end where frustration from relatively minor issues stack up and leads to suicide rather than mundane deaths from diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and cancer.

[Traceynia]

It's not very surprising. People with ASD who also have significant intellectual impairment have a very hard time managing their weight and staying healthy in general. If they're in group home settings or institutions then the amount of care they receive can pretty sub par.

On the other end for people with ASD without intellectual impairment there is really a huge gap of service post high school.
The IDEA mandates educational services for people with disabilities up through high school. After that services are spotty at best, and non existent at worse. Colleges often do not carry over services that were present in High Schools, like individualized education plans (IEPs), and if there are any specialized services it is incumbent upon the student to seek them out and access them, which they don't always have the skills to do so. Although the Americans with Disabilities Act forbids discrimination in the workplace for people with any disability, for people with Autism it's often a catch 22. They can't benefit from the ADA unless they disclose their diagnoses, and by disclosing their diagnoses they often set themselves up for discrimination. On top of that employers tend to pay them less then regular employees, and they are passed up for promotions.

Autism can be a really tough condition for a lot of individuals and their families to deal with. We as a society need to do more to help people with all developmental disabilities.

[Imperial Union of America]

It's not very surprising. People with ASD who also have significant intellectual impairment have a very hard time managing their weight and staying healthy in general. If they're in group home settings or institutions then the amount of care they receive can pretty sub par.

On the other end for people with ASD without intellectual impairment there is really a huge gap of service post high school.
The IDEA mandates educational services for people with disabilities up through high school. After that services are spotty at best, and non existent at worse. Colleges often do not carry over services that were present in High Schools, like individualized education plans (IEPs), and if there are any specialized services it is incumbent upon the student to seek them out and access them, which they don't always have the skills to do so. Although the Americans with Disabilities Act forbids discrimination in the workplace for people with any disability, for people with Autism it's often a catch 22. They can't benefit from the ADA unless they disclose their diagnoses, and by disclosing their diagnoses they often set themselves up for discrimination. On top of that employers tend to pay them less then regular employees, and they are passed up for promotions.

Autism can be a really tough condition for a lot of individuals and their families to deal with. We as a society need to do more to help people with all developmental disabilities.

Stigma is a huge part of it. People are generally uneducated when it comes to some mental health issues. You really only hear about mental health issues when it becomes a serious issue. So for example, a guy with schizophrenia does something crazy as hell and it ends up on the news or people hear about it. That ends up representing all people with schizophrenia.

[Firsthome]

It's not very surprising. People with ASD who also have significant intellectual impairment have a very hard time managing their weight and staying healthy in general. If they're in group home settings or institutions then the amount of care they receive can pretty sub par.

On the other end for people with ASD without intellectual impairment there is really a huge gap of service post high school.
The IDEA mandates educational services for people with disabilities up through high school. After that services are spotty at best, and non existent at worse. Colleges often do not carry over services that were present in High Schools, like individualized education plans (IEPs), and if there are any specialized services it is incumbent upon the student to seek them out and access them, which they don't always have the skills to do so. Although the Americans with Disabilities Act forbids discrimination in the workplace for people with any disability, for people with Autism it's often a catch 22. They can't benefit from the ADA unless they disclose their diagnoses, and by disclosing their diagnoses they often set themselves up for discrimination. On top of that employers tend to pay them less then regular employees, and they are passed up for promotions.

Autism can be a really tough condition for a lot of individuals and their families to deal with. We as a society need to do more to help people with all developmental disabilities.

Stigma is a huge part of it. People are generally uneducated when it comes to some mental health issues. You really only hear about mental health issues when it becomes a serious issue. So for example, a guy with schizophrenia does something crazy as hell and it ends up on the news or people hear about it. That ends up representing all people with schizophrenia.

Yeah, Schizophrenics most of the time aren't harmful to others, it's just someone does something and Yellow Journalism.

For ASD, a lot of teachers I know have children with High or Low Functioning. I feel as the 1 out of 60/1 out of 68 is incorrect, at least in certain areas of the United States.

[Grave_n_idle]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/people-autism-spectrum-die-18-years-younger-average

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/ ... rly-deaths

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/03March/Pag ... study.aspx

Basically, Aspies are dying 18 years or more younger then the "Average" person. High-Function people with ASD are 9 times more likely to commit suicide than the average person.

The answer for a lot of this is fairly simple: We're Lonely, Godamnit.

Loneliness has been correlated with premature death in a number of studies, so that's not an unreasonable conclusion.

It doesn't necessarily require suicide - although that probably also brings the number down - lonely people just die younger.

[Firsthome]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/people-autism-spectrum-die-18-years-younger-average

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/ ... rly-deaths

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/03March/Pag ... study.aspx

Basically, Aspies are dying 18 years or more younger then the "Average" person. High-Function people with ASD are 9 times more likely to commit suicide than the average person.

The answer for a lot of this is fairly simple: We're Lonely, Godamnit.

Loneliness has been correlated with premature death in a number of studies, so that's not an unreasonable conclusion.

It doesn't necessarily require suicide - although that probably also brings the number down - lonely people just die younger.

Form the cuddle society. Problem solved.

Cuddles cure everything but nuclear holocaust.

[The Blaatschapen]

Take it from a herd animal, being separated from the flock usually does not end well.

[Thermodolia]

Loneliness has been correlated with premature death in a number of studies, so that's not an unreasonable conclusion.

It doesn't necessarily require suicide - although that probably also brings the number down - lonely people just die younger.

Form the cuddle society. Problem solved.

Cuddles cure everything but nuclear holocaust.

Cuddles would prevent a nuclear holocaust

[Greed and Death]

Well lock every ASD sufferer up for their own protection.

[Lysset]

Well lock every ASD sufferer up for their own protection.

DON'T.

[Esternial]

Might have to do with several associated effects. It's already been shown there's a connection between ASD and the gut-brain barrier - might be a link with that. One of the articles mentions a link with "increased prevalence of common health problems such as diabetes and respiratory disease". You'd need to know the precise causes of death to know more.

I think some researchers said that a possible "cure" for ASD could involve probiotics.

[Firsthome]

Might have to do with several associated effects. It's already been shown there's a connection between ASD and the gut-brain barrier - might be a link with that. One of the articles mentions a link with "increased prevalence of common health problems such as diabetes and respiratory disease". You'd need to know the precise causes of death to know more.

I think some researchers said that a possible "cure" for ASD could involve probiotics.

To be honest, most of those are the ones who market "Cures" that cost thousands of dollars to feed someone "Special" food.

[The Serbian Empire]

Take it from a herd animal, being separated from the flock usually does not end well.

This is why the life expectancy of both people with ASD and the transgender population are reduced. Society forces them to the fringes where separation from the flock is very easy to happen.

[Nioya]

Well first of all, it's one study. I'd take it with a grain of salt. Second, it points out a lot of it is from increased risk of health issues. Nothing we can do about that. Third, it doesn't indicate that it is because of suicide.

But yes, we ought to do more for suicidal people and provide better means for therapy and promote mental health.

[United Marxist Nations]

Would it be okay if we extended this thread to talk about people affected with other disorders that are less talked about? Like, if I mentioned my experiences with Schizotypal PD?

[Pope Joan]

Another factor (I do agree that systemic physical issues play a role) might have to do with situations involving confrontation; hesitancy or inappropriateness in communication can be fatal. "He was not compliant!" rages the police officer. Two attendants said that when they killed a 22 year old they were transporting a local case here.

[Esternial]

Might have to do with several associated effects. It's already been shown there's a connection between ASD and the gut-brain barrier - might be a link with that. One of the articles mentions a link with "increased prevalence of common health problems such as diabetes and respiratory disease". You'd need to know the precise causes of death to know more.

I think some researchers said that a possible "cure" for ASD could involve probiotics.

To be honest, most of those are the ones who market "Cures" that cost thousands of dollars to feed someone "Special" food.

Haven't looked it up extensively so I wouldn't know.

I just know that altering the microbiome can have effects on people's mental health. It's a hot topic in biotech research nowadays.

[Socialist Tera]

Well that sucks looks like I have to do more shit before I die.

[Aelex]

After a quick search, it appear that Autism Speak is quite a better organization than what the O.P try to imply.
Also, I really fail to see what apart the desire to see other people suffer like you suffered would motive you to try to stop people from discovering and trying to limit the prevalence of the gene causing autism.

[Firsthome]

Would it be okay if we extended this thread to talk about people affected with other disorders that are less talked about? Like, if I mentioned my experiences with Schizotypal PD?

Sure, Go ahead. Some crackpot tried to diagnose me with Schizoid Personality Disorder, which doesn't exist anymore and was basically a diagnosis for those that didn't get diagnosed with Autism within the first 3 months of birth (or something similar)
I was then put on some Anti-psychotics which made me angry and gain 20 pounds. Yay for mental hospitals.