Wage gap

[The Emerald Dawn]

While CEOs wages have grown, workers wages have stayed relatively level. While CEOs get massive compensation packages for failing to increase their companies earnings beyond a certain percentage, workers get dick all for failing to meet increasing quotas for production impacting the CEOs ability to increase company earnings.

Right. Meanwhile, those workers are gulled into complaining about government and taxes, instead of about their real oppressors.

Well, obviously it's all the IRS' fault. I mean they're the ones who force them to prove how little they make so that they don't have to actually pay any taxes and in fact will get returns if they properly prepare their tax statements. All the while the CEO can afford accountants and attorneys who will do that paperwork for him.

[Stellonia]

http://youtu.be/k_m5AlsQqcs

Granted it's satire, but I think it's a concise way to bring awareness to the wage gap issue with women in the workplace. Discuss? I have an anxious feeling that many will dispute it.

I see a lot of responses on here that refuse to acknowledge the wage gap, and give alternative reasons for pay disparity based on sex; none of which are too compelling. In the end it seems that women stay quiet about it, and refuse to take action. For those that agree with the video, what can women do to fix this gap, and move towards equality in the labor market?

If that really were the case, then why do business bother to hire men, given that female labor is supposed to be considerably cheaper?

[The Emerald Dawn]

http://youtu.be/k_m5AlsQqcs

Granted it's satire, but I think it's a concise way to bring awareness to the wage gap issue with women in the workplace. Discuss? I have an anxious feeling that many will dispute it.

I see a lot of responses on here that refuse to acknowledge the wage gap, and give alternative reasons for pay disparity based on sex; none of which are too compelling. In the end it seems that women stay quiet about it, and refuse to take action. For those that agree with the video, what can women do to fix this gap, and move towards equality in the labor market?

If that really were the case, then why do business bother to hire men, given that female labor is supposed to be considerably cheaper?

Many possible answers:

Women may not apply in high enough numbers to meet staffing requirements.
Women may not meet requirements to perform the duties at a high enough level.
Misogyny.
Because in those fields there is no pay gap between men and women.

[Stellonia]

If that really were the case, then why do business bother to hire men, given that female labor is supposed to be considerably cheaper?

Many possible answers:

Women may not apply in high enough numbers to meet staffing requirements.
Women may not meet requirements to perform the duties at a high enough level.
Misogyny.
Because in those fields there is no pay gap between men and women.

The second explanation is the weakest, and the last one is probably the best one, unless misogyny really is as rampant in the 21^st century as some claim.

[Yorkers]

Who do my female colleagues make more than me?

We both work the same corner ffs.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Many possible answers:

Women may not apply in high enough numbers to meet staffing requirements.
Women may not meet requirements to perform the duties at a high enough level.
Misogyny.
Because in those fields there is no pay gap between men and women.

The second explanation is the weakest, and the last one is probably the best one, unless misogyny really is as rampant in the 21^st century as some claim.

Each explanation has its place in various industries.

As an example, I am under no illusions that in the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, MLS, etc, that there is still a lot of misogyny in play. These are very, very old, very, very powerful, white men in charge. Some better than others, some more like Jerry Jones. That's a pretty fertile ground for a dislike of women, and a place where a lot of excuses for it can come into play.

Women not meeting requirements to perform can be used as an excuse in the same fields however. There just are not that many women who meet the physical standards to be a professional athlete on an even standing with men.

So in the end, a lot of it is going to be explained by a number of motivating factors that tie into other motivating factors. You get to choose which you think people are guilty of, because nobody is going to publish studies that aren't horrifically motivated by money, politics, or both.

[Jumalariik]

Why bother arguing about the inequality of wages and not question why anyone must work to live comfortably in the first place?

I don't know if this is satire or not.

If it's not, I think the answer is pretty clear, humans cannot do photosynthesis. They need to do some form of work or activity to feed themselves, and in the climate that I and most on this forum live in, also a place to shelter from the elements. This does not simply come into existence. In a state of nature, everybody must work to live. I don't see how a system where people can simply opt out of working and expect to live well is even desirable.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Why bother arguing about the inequality of wages and not question why anyone must work to live comfortably in the first place?

I don't know if this is satire or not.

If it's not, I think the answer is pretty clear, humans cannot do photosynthesis. They need to do some form of work or activity to feed themselves, and in the climate that I and most on this forum live in, also a place to shelter from the elements. This does not simply come into existence. In a state of nature, everybody must work to live. I don't see how a system where people can simply opt out of working and expect to live well is even desirable.

The term is "post-scarcity" and it is a common theme in science fiction, Star Trek being a good commonly known example of it. A lot of people have spent a lot of time thinking about how humanity would live in a post-scarcity world, and the optimists believe that there would be a swell in Art, Literature, Science, and Philosophy as people would have more time to dedicate to "hobbies" instead of "subsistence".

Of course, the pessimists believe that it would result in BioShock.

[Jumalariik]

I don't know if this is satire or not.

If it's not, I think the answer is pretty clear, humans cannot do photosynthesis. They need to do some form of work or activity to feed themselves, and in the climate that I and most on this forum live in, also a place to shelter from the elements. This does not simply come into existence. In a state of nature, everybody must work to live. I don't see how a system where people can simply opt out of working and expect to live well is even desirable.

The term is "post-scarcity" and it is a common theme in science fiction, Star Trek being a good commonly known example of it. A lot of people have spent a lot of time thinking about how humanity would live in a post-scarcity world, and the optimists believe that there would be a swell in Art, Literature, Science, and Philosophy as people would have more time to dedicate to "hobbies" instead of "subsistence".

Of course, the pessimists believe that it would result in BioShock.

Call me when post-scarcity actually happens.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The term is "post-scarcity" and it is a common theme in science fiction, Star Trek being a good commonly known example of it. A lot of people have spent a lot of time thinking about how humanity would live in a post-scarcity world, and the optimists believe that there would be a swell in Art, Literature, Science, and Philosophy as people would have more time to dedicate to "hobbies" instead of "subsistence".

Of course, the pessimists believe that it would result in BioShock.

Call me when post-scarcity actually happens.

Setting my alarm for "Flight of the Porcine".

[Pope Joan]

I don't know if this is satire or not.

If it's not, I think the answer is pretty clear, humans cannot do photosynthesis. They need to do some form of work or activity to feed themselves, and in the climate that I and most on this forum live in, also a place to shelter from the elements. This does not simply come into existence. In a state of nature, everybody must work to live. I don't see how a system where people can simply opt out of working and expect to live well is even desirable.

The term is "post-scarcity" and it is a common theme in science fiction, Star Trek being a good commonly known example of it. A lot of people have spent a lot of time thinking about how humanity would live in a post-scarcity world, and the optimists believe that there would be a swell in Art, Literature, Science, and Philosophy as people would have more time to dedicate to "hobbies" instead of "subsistence".

Of course, the pessimists believe that it would result in BioShock.

Right. And this time in history, in which we live, was supposed to be the "leisure age" in which we could all devote ourselves to such lovely hobbies because we would have been liberated from labor by the advent of automation.

And I am continuing to work in my quickly declining years just for fun, I suppose.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The term is "post-scarcity" and it is a common theme in science fiction, Star Trek being a good commonly known example of it. A lot of people have spent a lot of time thinking about how humanity would live in a post-scarcity world, and the optimists believe that there would be a swell in Art, Literature, Science, and Philosophy as people would have more time to dedicate to "hobbies" instead of "subsistence".

Of course, the pessimists believe that it would result in BioShock.

Right. And this time in history, in which we live, was supposed to be the "leisure age" in which we could all devote ourselves to such lovely hobbies because we would have been liberated from labor by the advent of automation.

And I am continuing to work in my quickly declining years just for fun, I suppose.

Pretty much. There is evidence enough that if it wasn't for the nature of Man that we would be living in a very lovely time indeed.

Then we introduced humans into the whole thing and it went straight down the S-Bend.

[Saiwania]

I think that the real wage gap at hand, is the fact that in the US- there are 20 individuals who own more wealth than 152+ million people, the bottom 50% which are getting increasingly less. The rich are not people who need tax cuts under any circumstance and giving it to them will not bring any tangible benefits in terms of economic growth. Supply side has failed completely.

https://www.thenation.com/article/20-pe ... americans/

[Jumalariik]

I think that the real wage gap at hand, is the fact that in the US- there are 20 individuals who own more wealth than 152+ million people, the bottom 50% which are getting increasingly less. The rich are not people who need tax cuts under any circumstance and giving it to them will not bring any tangible benefits in terms of economic growth. Supply side has failed completely.

https://www.thenation.com/article/20-pe ... americans/

There are rich people and there are rich people. I'd think that most people in the top 20 people are born into that money, which anyway doesn't go into the economy. You're right. I think though if somebody earns their billions, they are entitled to an amount.

[Des-Bal]

I think that the real wage gap at hand, is the fact that in the US- there are 20 individuals who own more wealth than 152+ million people, the bottom 50% which are getting increasingly less. The rich are not people who need tax cuts under any circumstance and giving it to them will not bring any tangible benefits in terms of economic growth. Supply side has failed completely.

https://www.thenation.com/article/20-pe ... americans/

So basically "let's talk about something else."

[Pandeeria]

I think that the real wage gap at hand, is the fact that in the US- there are 20 individuals who own more wealth than 152+ million people, the bottom 50% which are getting increasingly less. The rich are not people who need tax cuts under any circumstance and giving it to them will not bring any tangible benefits in terms of economic growth. Supply side has failed completely.

https://www.thenation.com/article/20-pe ... americans/

This thread is to discuss the petty SJW myth of the gender wage gap, not a serious issue like capitalism.

[Frenline Delpha]

I think that the real wage gap at hand, is the fact that in the US- there are 20 individuals who own more wealth than 152+ million people, the bottom 50% which are getting increasingly less. The rich are not people who need tax cuts under any circumstance and giving it to them will not bring any tangible benefits in terms of economic growth. Supply side has failed completely.

https://www.thenation.com/article/20-pe ... americans/

This thread is to discuss the petty SJW myth of the gender wage gap, not a serious issue like capitalism.

Or, more specifically, where capitalism has failed. Like any market, it has failures and success, but I digress.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Even I'm doubtful that the wage gap is as big as some claim it to be. Here's why. First off, the majority of governments have enacted laws to prevent wage discrimination. Of course, nothing is perfect, but the very existence of these laws is already something to be said. Second, my own experience while I was working showed me that I was paid the same as my co-workers. From my service to the local government, to the coffee shop and ultimately, my service to the Federal Mexican Government. When I worked for the local government, I myself, observed the wages of other employees and found that (depending on the department), they all shared the same hourly rate.

However, there's a thing I must say to fellow women. I implore you to join male dominated sectors. And by this, I mean you, yourself, join the sector, not force these nonsensical regulations on them. I'm currently studying AI engineering, to note, there's 32 students and only 5 are women (including myself). Despite being mocked by some of my female friends for choosing an "ungirly" career, or because it had mathematics and, instead, being suggested to study something like administration. Hearing these cases outright frustrate me, knowing full and well that we're capable of all types of career paths.

[Jello Biafra]

Many possible answers:

Women may not apply in high enough numbers to meet staffing requirements.
Women may not meet requirements to perform the duties at a high enough level.
Misogyny.
Because in those fields there is no pay gap between men and women.

The second explanation is the weakest, and the last one is probably the best one, unless misogyny really is as rampant in the 21^st century as some claim.

Is this rampant enough for you?

[Costa Fierro]

No, my "Your evidence is invalid, therefore it's wrong" argument.

You basically said "you're wrong" and left it at that. That's not an argument, that's just you being stubborn and not willing to admit when you're wrong.

If "everyone else" said it doesn't exist, I wouldn't have been able to throw articles together showing the fact that it does exist.

And those studies economics equivalent of the study that claimed vaccines give you autism. Anything studies promoted by feminists or feminist ideas are blatantly fraudulent.

[Yorkers]

Female porn stars make more than male ones.

SEXISM

[Frenline Delpha]

Female porn stars make more than male ones.

SEXISM

But... but...

Womanz can't be sexist. The little parasite that lives in my head told me so.

[Nubasia]

It does exist. Saying that it doesn't is a myth.

[Jello Biafra]

No, my "Your evidence is invalid, therefore it's wrong" argument.

You basically said "you're wrong" and left it at that. That's not an argument, that's just you being stubborn and not willing to admit when you're wrong.

Here is the post where I point out (some of) the flaws in your source. I think it's fairly clear, but apparently not, so I will simplify it.
My post contains three arguments, or perhaps two arguments and a question.

Argument 1
Your Source: We find that there's no evidence that the wage gap is the result of discrimination...it is the result of men and women working different jobs.
Me: Discrimination against women can sometimes result in occupational segregation [gives example], therefore discrimination and 'men and women working different jobs' are not mutually exclusive.

Argument 2
Your Source: We speculate that some of the remaining wage gap (because this, like all of the studies that try to show that there is no wage gap fails to do so) is due to women pursuing more family-friendly workplace policies.
Me: Your source itself contains studies showing that women aren't in family-friendly workplaces, therefore the speculation in your source is wrong, and it contradicted by information within the source itself.

Question
You: I'm citing economists, which is better than whoever you're citing for reasons I'm not explaining.
Me: How do you know you're citing economists?

If "everyone else" said it doesn't exist, I wouldn't have been able to throw articles together showing the fact that it does exist.

And those studies economics equivalent of the study that claimed vaccines give you autism. Anything studies promoted by feminists or feminist ideas are blatantly fraudulent.

Then feel free to examine them and show evidence of fraud.

[Jello Biafra]

Female porn stars make more than male ones.

SEXISM

You're not suggesting that putting your penis into somebody is equivalent work to having someone put their penis into you, are you?