Fat shaming and thin privilage

[Philjia]

Let's note that, contrary to popular belief, our ancestors ate more calories per person than we do. They still had lower obesity rates- far lower. Obviously, there's something going on that's not just people eat more.
I'd guess it's a combination of lack of exercise and eating lower quality food.

That too. 200 calories worth of avocado and quinoa salad is hella different from 200 calories worth of McNutty's Diabetes Rolls.

This probably explains why I have a reputation as a glutton but am built like a stick.

[Thermodolia]

I mean, don't be a dick to people for being fat, but otherwise lel. The overwhelming majority of people are fat because they eat poorly and don't get enough exercise.

And even if one is naturally heavy set that doesn't mean they should get a pass. That just means they need to work harder.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

If obesity is part of one's genetic makeup, then why wasn't it an issue a century ago?

Get real, obesity is caused by poor dietary choices and a lack of exercise. Just as I'd tell someone to stop chain smoking, I'd tell someone to stop binge eating junk food.

If you're so insecure about your body image that you need to accuse others of shaming you, well, then thats really a wake up call, now isn't it? If you're fat, whatever, I don't care, but the healthy thing to do would be to get fit.

It is common belief that thier are genetic precursors to obesity. There is no need to shame someone as being too curvy. Why not just be s decent person and accept someone as they are?

It is a common fact that genetics have an almost negligible effect on long-term obesity.

And I don't know about you, but I don't hate fat people. I just want them to live longer.

[Plvtowia]

As for me, I enjoy the 'privilege' of keeping myself thin and trim, thank you...

[Equalaria]

It is common belief that thier are genetic precursors to obesity. There is no need to shame someone as being too curvy. Why not just be s decent person and accept someone as they are?

It is a common fact that genetics have an almost negligible effect on long-term obesity.

And I don't know about you, but I don't hate fat people. I just want them to live longer.

By no means negligible, they have a role to play. What I'm trying to get at is the use of shaming and hurting feelings as a means of attacking bigger people. In reading a lot of 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' stuff so far, but this is the exact same line of reasoning shamers use on bigger people...

It should also be noted that women are disproportionately shamed for being curvy. Men can get away with it at times, but women always find themselves shamed and made to feel horrible about thier bodies.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Shaming fat people is bad. Sometimes women are compared to unrealistic body standards.

It is also a health issue that should be addressed. On a national level obesity should be discouraged. On a personal level no one should be bullied for their body type.

Surely there's a middle ground right? Middle ground on body acceptance I mean. I'm not saying there's a reasonable amount of bullying.

[The first Galactic Republic]

If obesity is part of one's genetic makeup, then why wasn't it an issue a century ago?

Get real, obesity is caused by poor dietary choices and a lack of exercise. Just as I'd tell someone to stop chain smoking, I'd tell someone to stop binge eating junk food.

If you're so insecure about your body image that you need to accuse others of shaming you, well, then thats really a wake up call, now isn't it? If you're fat, whatever, I don't care, but the healthy thing to do would be to get fit.

Let's note that, contrary to popular belief, our ancestors ate more calories per person than we do. They still had lower obesity rates- far lower. Obviously, there's something going on that's not just people eat more.
I'd guess it's a combination of lack of exercise and eating lower quality food.

What do you mean by ancestors? Early 1900s? Middle Ages? Hunter-gatherers?

[Sareva]

Id like to get some opinions on the concepts of fat shaming and thin privelage in modern society. What does it mean to you? How do you interact within its constructs? Is it irrelevant to you?

Personally I've expieirenced the overwhelming sense of oppressive norms applied- the vast majority are toward women. Obese people are typically shamed as slovenly or undisciplined, when in reality it is mainly an issue of ones genetic makeup. The institutional preference for slim sizes (once again almost always applied to women) is pervasive in the media. Accordingly, meme culture has found an entire sub genre of 'fate hate', which is itself an extension of fat shaming. I would argue that we need to change societal norms to be more accepting of the wide variety of body types, and to understand that it is perfectly natural to be curvy or heavier.

Thin privelage will require a reworking of mainstream beauty standards, but in small steps it is something that can be overcome.

Let me go through your points one by one.

fat shaming: First off, if your fat, you are fat, and I am sorry, but this is the harshness of reality. I am not shaming you by saying you need to exercise due to excessive weight gain or the fact that you will be more physically healthy and less likely to die from very real and very threatening issues, like heart problems or cholesterol levels. Even your legs can collapse from excessive weight, known usually as fat cells. However, the bone situation isn't exactly common, but the heart problems are. Your arteries can clog up from huge amounts of cholesterol, and that doesn't just mean you eating McDonald's everyday.

thin privelage: Let me address one thing before I continue to tackle this bad spelling: A privilege is earned, not given. To be thin, most people have to exercise heavily, and they earn their body's look the hard way, through blood and sweat.

Thin people are treated better than most overweight/fat people because it is common knowledge that the thin person mostly likely worked hard to get to where they are. Very few people can afford the kind of surgery it would take to lose a hundred pounds or more.

when in reality it is mainly an issue of ones genetic makeup: That's a very rare case, buddy. There are three body types; Mesomorph, Endomorph, and Ectomorph. I can't be bothered to research which one is which just to respond to your statement, but I will point out the Mesomorphs are the in between. They are average height, can put on muscle mass easily, and have generally strong bones. The other two are basically taking the qualities of a Mesomorph and changing them a bit. One is really tall, low muscle tone, weaker bones and usually very thin. The other is generally shorter, stronger bones, has more shape/curve to body and is more plump than fat, and also very cute. However, fat people are ones that put on way too much weight for their body type.

institutional preference for slim sizes: Well, nobody thinks a two-hundred kilogram piece of lard is beautiful, do they? What if they are heavier than that? I know I don't.

meme culture has found an entire sub genre of 'fate hate': I can't even respond to this without being a jerk, and I don't want to be anymore than I am.

it is perfectly natural to be curvy: Yes, "curvy" usually means very rounded, not rolling with cookie-dough arms. I personally think a plump girl is pretty, or cute, or whatever compliment I think fits the situation. Curvy usually is a compliment. "Heavier" and "Fat" are not compliments, and usually imply massively overweight, lazy and unwilling to put effort in life. There are people who can be deemed as such, but there a notable number who are overweight because they actually can not use their legs, long before the way they may be now.

[Diopolis]

That too. 200 calories worth of avocado and quinoa salad is hella different from 200 calories worth of McNutty's Diabetes Rolls.

This probably explains why I have a reputation as a glutton but am built like a stick.

Yeah. Our forefathers allotted something like four thousand calories per person per day- but most of that came from more complex carbohydrates, and it was rounded out mostly with vegetables and dairy.

[Equalaria]

Shaming fat people is bad. Sometimes women are compared to unrealistic body standards.

It is also a health issue that should be addressed. On a national level obesity should be discouraged. On a personal level no one should be bullied for their body type.

Surely there's a middle ground right? Middle ground on body acceptance I mean. I'm not saying there's a reasonable amount of bullying.

That's a lovely sentiment. Shaming needs to stop, and the verbal abuse (especially online) for bigger people is a problem. Obesity can sometimes have health complications, so there can be benefits to public health in helping people that way

[Thermodolia]

It is a common fact that genetics have an almost negligible effect on long-term obesity.

And I don't know about you, but I don't hate fat people. I just want them to live longer.

By no means negligible, they have a role to play. What I'm trying to get at is the use of shaming and hurting feelings as a means of attacking bigger people. In reading a lot of 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' stuff so far, but this is the exact same line of reasoning shamers use on bigger people...

It should also be noted that women are disproportionately shamed for being curvy. Men can get away with it at times, but women always find themselves shamed and made to feel horrible about thier bodies.

Look I'm a bigger guy, always have always will be. What that doesn't mean is that I get a free pass to be a fat pig. It's my fault if I become an obese slob. I need to work harder than most to maintain a good level of fitness and to add muscle mass.

[Muinordgrad]

I'm just here to read what is going to probably be an... entertaining thread.

To give my two cents, from what I have seen, really, unless if you're going into the military or being a coach or something-and even then- nobody really cares if you are fat or skinny. As long as you exercise (find something you like. I used to be quite the chubby kid until I discovered weightlifting, football, and running) and eat arguably healthy foods (again, find something you like), you'll be alright.

EDIT: The main thing that I have seen against chubbier folks is if you are *so* big that you have to straight up ride around in a little cart thing at the Kroger--and are like thirty, and it is obvious that you don't have a medical condition that makes it impossible to go out and exercise; especially if there is a frail older person that has to walk because of it.

[Communist Xomaniax]

I mean, don't be a dick to people for being fat, but otherwise lel. The overwhelming majority of people are fat because they eat poorly and don't get enough exercise.

And even if one is naturally heavy set that doesn't mean they should get a pass. That just means they need to work harder.

Yeah. I'm naturally big to begin with, and this time last year I was an obese slob, but the dark sorcery of dieting and exercise allowed me to drop 65 lbs and put on 15 lbs of muscle. Still got a ways to go, though.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Shaming fat people is bad. Sometimes women are compared to unrealistic body standards.

It is also a health issue that should be addressed. On a national level obesity should be discouraged. On a personal level no one should be bullied for their body type.

Surely there's a middle ground right? Middle ground on body acceptance I mean. I'm not saying there's a reasonable amount of bullying.

That's a lovely sentiment. Shaming needs to stop, and the verbal abuse (especially online) for bigger people is a problem. Obesity can sometimes have health complications, so there can be benefits to public health in helping people that way

I would call that bullying so yeah, that's not good.

[Frank Zipper]

Two stone overweight is perfectly healthy. Well according to Trump's doctor anyway.

[Thermodolia]

And even if one is naturally heavy set that doesn't mean they should get a pass. That just means they need to work harder.

Yeah. I'm naturally big to begin with, and this time last year I was an obese slob, but the dark sorcery of dieting and exercise allowed me to drop 65 lbs and put on 15 lbs of muscle. Still got a ways to go, though.

I'm the same way. If I don't regularly exercise and eat a good diet I'm going to end up as a obese slob.

[Rupudska]

Shaming people for being fat is bad.
Shaming people for being content with being fat is bad, but not as bad - because being fat is bad for you, that isn't some 'patriarchy Big Dieta' lie, it's a fact.
Shaming people for claiming that being fat is healthy, natural, and better than not being fat is good and should be encouraged.

[Sareva]

Yeah. I'm naturally big to begin with, and this time last year I was an obese slob, but the dark sorcery of dieting and exercise allowed me to drop 65 lbs and put on 15 lbs of muscle. Still got a ways to go, though.

I'm the same way. If I don't regularly exercise and eat a good diet I'm going to end up as a obese slob.

Hey man, work hard play hard. I'm just thin and healthy because I do yard work all the time. You'll definitely lose weight and gain muscle doing that in the hot-ass Georgia heat.

[Risottia]

Personally I've expieirenced the overwhelming sense of oppressive norms applied- the vast majority are toward women.

Yeah sure. Obese men are SO accepted and beloved by everyone, especially women. Source for your claim?

Obese people are typically shamed as slovenly or undisciplined, when in reality it is mainly an issue of ones genetic makeup.

Mainly? NO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity#Causes
At an individual level, a combination of excessive food energy intake and a lack of physical activity is thought to explain most cases of obesity.[77] A limited number of cases are due primarily to genetics, medical reasons, or psychiatric illness.[5] In contrast, increasing rates of obesity at a societal level are felt to be due to an easily accessible and palatable diet,[78] increased reliance on cars, and mechanized manufacturing.[79][80]

So, yes, most obese people are obese because they eat too much compared to what they need to consume. Guess what, the prevalence of morbid obesity is higher in rich countries, where access to abundant quantities of high-energy food is very common.

It's about time that people whose obesity isn't caused by genetics or illnesses stopped whining WHILE also quitting eating so much. For those whose problem isn't an issue of laziness and gluttony, there are treatments, by the way.

[Rieskerland]

You're beating a horse that's been dead for years.

[Equalaria]

Shaming people for being fat is bad.
Shaming people for being content with being fat is bad, but not as bad - because being fat is bad for you, that isn't some 'patriarchy Big Dieta' lie, it's a fact.
Shaming people for claiming that being fat is healthy, natural, and better than not being fat is good and should be encouraged.

That's true to an extent. We should all be equal in that regard. A lot of it is going from fit/thin people shaming bigger people usually, is why I bring it up.

Being content with being bigger is by no means bad... It shows people love and accept themselves.

[Thermodolia]

I'm the same way. If I don't regularly exercise and eat a good diet I'm going to end up as a obese slob.

Hey man, work hard play hard. I'm just thin and healthy because I do yard work all the time. You'll definitely lose weight and gain muscle doing that in the hot-ass Georgia heat.

I know. I'm just saying that if I don't I'm going to end up an obese slob. I never will be thin but that's just due to my body makeup, basically I'm going to end up looking like one of those muscle fat guys.

[Philjia]

Shaming people for being fat is bad.
Shaming people for being content with being fat is bad, but not as bad - because being fat is bad for you, that isn't some 'patriarchy Big Dieta' lie, it's a fact.
Shaming people for claiming that being fat is healthy, natural, and better than not being fat is good and should be encouraged.

That's true to an extent. We should all be equal in that regard. A lot of it is going from fit/thin people shaming bigger people usually, is why I bring it up.

Being content with being bigger is by no means bad... It shows people love and accept themselves.

Unless you're heading towards your second heart attack by the age of 40.

[Lady Scylla]

Id like to get some opinions on the concepts of fat shaming and thin privilege in modern society. What does it mean to you? How do you interact within its constructs? Is it irrelevant to you?

Personally I've expieirenced the overwhelming sense of oppressive norms applied- the vast majority are toward women. Obese people are typically shamed as slovenly or undisciplined, when in reality it is mainly an issue of ones genetic makeup. The institutional preference for slim sizes (once again almost always applied to women) is pervasive in the media. Accordingly, meme culture has found an entire sub genre of 'fate hate', which is itself an extension of fat shaming. I would argue that we need to change societal norms to be more accepting of the wide variety of body types, and to understand that it is perfectly natural to be curvy or heavier.

Thin privilege will require a reworking of mainstream beauty standards, but in small steps it is something that can be overcome.

It means nothing to me. I don't interact with it because I believe it's nonsense. As far as genetics, that is a half-assed argument. FTO is the gene found, in one study I might add, that deals with eating behaviour and energy expenditure, which can help contribute to obesity. BUT.

As of 2006, more than 41 sites on the human genome have been linked to the development of obesity when a favorable environment is present.

Like many other medical conditions, obesity is the result of an interplay between behavior, environment, and genetic factors. Studies have identified variants in several genes that may contribute to weight gain and body fat distribution; although, only in a few cases are genes the primary cause of obesity.

Genes are a funny thing, they're like a switch. They can be on or off, essentially dormant or active. Very similarly, you can have a genetic predisposition to develop heart disease, but that doesn't guarantee that you will. What that means, in effect, is that if you don't take care of yourself, there's a greater chance of you developing heart disease than someone who doesn't have the genetic predisposition. This means that obesity, outside of a few limited cases, is more largely dependent on what you do. In short, do not blame genetics for your bad decisions.

As far as beauty standards, while I agree I dislike them, they change overtime regardless. I'm smart enough to not compare myself to the believed standards of women and try to be myself, because I'm not that shallow. Finally, whether you're obese or not is not my concern. It's up to you what you do in your life, at least admit that it is detrimental to your health instead of putting forth some bullshit pseudoscience. Other than that, I'm not going to make a comment about an obese person and their body, it isn't my place to do so, and I've better things to do with my time than concern myself with everyone else and how they look.

[Equalaria]

Personally I've expieirenced the overwhelming sense of oppressive norms applied- the vast majority are toward women.

Yeah sure. Obese men are SO accepted and beloved by everyone, especially women. Source for your claim?

Obese people are typically shamed as slovenly or undisciplined, when in reality it is mainly an issue of ones genetic makeup.

Mainly? NO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity#Causes
At an individual level, a combination of excessive food energy intake and a lack of physical activity is thought to explain most cases of obesity.[77] A limited number of cases are due primarily to genetics, medical reasons, or psychiatric illness.[5] In contrast, increasing rates of obesity at a societal level are felt to be due to an easily accessible and palatable diet,[78] increased reliance on cars, and mechanized manufacturing.[79][80]

So, yes, most obese people are obese because they eat too much compared to what they need to consume. Guess what, the prevalence of morbid obesity is higher in rich countries, where access to abundant quantities of high-energy food is very common.

It's about time that people whose obesity isn't caused by genetics or illnesses stopped whining WHILE also quitting eating so much. For those whose problem isn't an issue of laziness and gluttony, there are treatments, by the way.

This is all still up for debate. I think it's lazy to just assume it's gluttony and laziness. Thier are many theories, and the genetic model does have its influence. I think falling back to the shaming tactic of 'stop being a fat slob, just eat better and workout' is very insensitive. Women are conditioned to be more aware of thier bodies by society, so stuff like this cuts especially deep for them.