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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:32 am
by Bakery Hill
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:That's addressed in the book too. Occidentalism and self-Orientalism. Haven't got to that yet.


As insane as it sounds, a man of Chinese descent kneeled in front of me, and I quote, "Don't take me into your slave ship, please white man"; I broke down laughing.

Well that is strange.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:33 am
by The East Marches
Daily Reminder: There is no escape from Mr.Bones Wild Ride

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:35 am
by Napkiraly
Bakery Hill wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Indeed, it is. I should note that I'm not in favour of colonialism as it was generally practiced during the age of European imperialism in the 19th century. I would only be willing to implement colonialism of a kind reminiscent of the Roman model with a number of tweaks. It however, is rather unrealistic and idealistic for our current world. C'est la vie.

Roman model? That sounds frightening haha

I've also always maintained that imperialism should only be a phase that eventually gives way to equality between the state that was the target of imperialism and the one was pursuing imperialism (if the former state still exists). So that empire gives way to commonwealth.

I can see very few cases where this has happened unfortunately.

Roman model as in ex-soldiers populating parts of the province to act as a bulwark against rebellions. I would encourage intermarriage between with the local people as well along with other measures. As I said, idealistic and unrealistic in the current world.

Unfortunately, this is true. There were proposals to create an Imperial federation in place of colonialism among certain British figures. Unfortunately, the concept never gained much traction.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:35 am
by FelrikTheDeleted
Bakery Hill wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
As insane as it sounds, a man of Chinese descent kneeled in front of me, and I quote, "Don't take me into your slave ship, please white man"; I broke down laughing.

Well that is strange.

I do, however, believe that he retained that belief and that belief was unique to him. (I didn't encounter anyone else who conducted themselves in the same way)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:38 am
by Bakery Hill
Napkiraly wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Roman model? That sounds frightening haha


I can see very few cases where this has happened unfortunately.

Roman model as in ex-soldiers populating parts of the province to act as a bulwark against rebellions. I would encourage intermarriage between with the local people as well along with other measures. As I said, idealistic and unrealistic in the current world.

Unfortunately, this is true. There were proposals to create an Imperial federation in place of colonialism among certain British figures. Unfortunately, the concept never gained much traction.

Well I'm a big fan of decentralisation, so I'm happy about that.

And not a fan of the British empire, as some might guess from my flag haha

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:40 am
by Napkiraly
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Well that is strange.

I do, however, believe that he retained that belief and that belief was unique to him. (I didn't encounter anyone else who conducted themselves in the same way)

Strangest encounter was when someone found out I was Canadian and hugged me.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:41 am
by FelrikTheDeleted
Napkiraly wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:I do, however, believe that he retained that belief and that belief was unique to him. (I didn't encounter anyone else who conducted themselves in the same way)

Strangest encounter was when someone found out I was Canadian and hugged me.


Hahahahaha... sorry.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:42 am
by Napkiraly
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Strangest encounter was when someone found out I was Canadian and hugged me.


Hahahahaha... sorry.

No, I'm sorry guy.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:44 am
by Jochizyd Republic
Bakery Hill wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Leftist conflations are just as bad. Their "realism" of Muslims is based on sentimentalism and misunderstanding just as agonizing to listen to as some Mu'tazila fanboy too arrogant to get off his ass and talk to a Sheikh.

Typically yes, I'd agree. Not any Western leftists I'd bother to read, but I read polemics filled with this shit all the time, and it's tiring.

Hell, Bernard Lewis at least knew of and acknowledged actual, debatable problems in Islam and their historical roots. Despite being another type of liberal that can't be trusted.

What do you know about Lewis? Reading an article of his at the moment in response to Said's criticisms.

Lewis is a...scholar of middle eastern history and Islam who controversially criticized Arab Culture from degrading into what it is today after the fall of the Mu'tazila (Rationalist) school of Sunni Islam.
And for his militant secular modernist liberalism and clash of civilizations rhetoric. And support for neoconservatism.

Despite what I may be painting him as, he is very pro Islam. Islamic Modernism anyway. And doesn't view Islam as "the enemy of the west xdddd reed dis Brietbart article".

I am seriously surprised more people here seem to be taking Said over him.

I would actually reccomend him in spite of everything. To Liberals and Leftists to make them more tolerable and bring them up to a level I can work with.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:45 am
by FelrikTheDeleted
Napkiraly wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Hahahahaha... sorry.

No, I'm sorry guy.


Sorry.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:45 am
by USS Monitor
There is a new RWDT. Please continue your conversations there.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:01 am
by Yumyumsuppertime