Right Wing Discussion Thread The Fourth

[Nusaresa]

Like whatever, man. You're just upset that Syncretic Buddochristohinduslam doesn't exactly match your preferred, like, aesthetics. You need to vibrate some crystals and tap a chill gong, brah.

Never forget the chakras. Never forget the chakras.

I hear one more Chakra comment I'm shoving an entire Vajra up that poor sod's root chakra.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Oh I think there is something harmful and quite dangerous about it. It erodes spirituality or at the very least, the integrity of spirituality in the eyes of people.

They do to spirituality what SJWs do to good causes.

I'd argue that there was very little spirituality involved in Buddhism to begin with. The rest are details added after the fact through oral tradition. In Theravada Buddhism the Buddha is generally not seen as a divine being, rather a human who went through as many lives as they could have gotten through to realize that there was a way to break that cycle of suffering and 'rebirth'.

And even then, reincarnation in Buddhism is a sticky idea as it's not what most actually think it is. Buddhism discards the idea of the self and by extension a permanent soul that exists after death.

That's called cultural appropriation bruh. But then again it's only as harmful as it wants to be.

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

[Dagashi Shojo]

Buddhism is filled with accounts of deities, titans, spirits, and hellbeings. It doesn't have to believe in a permanent monotheistic God to be theistic. Of course, a Buddhist could reject most of those as myths, but Bachelor essentially wants to reduce Buddhism to some nice meditative exercises. You can remove deities from Buddhism, but remove the element of rebirth, and it loses next to all of it's meaning.

>tfw I do that to a certain degree

Well in a way it's a way of life. The nice thing (and arguably why it's so easy to mutilated) is that Buddhism when removed from the religious orders, is something that is more like a philosophy and a method of treatment. And in a way it original started off as such. The 4 noble truths is the diagnosis of the human condition in the broadest sense.

The deities, asuras, spirits are a result of Buddhism's ability to be a syncretic faith. And in it's early stages, it was a more radical subsection of Hinduism in a way. Many concepts in Buddhism is derived from the concepts discussed in Hinduism (atman-anatman, dharma, sunyata, etc).

This was also why Buddhism almost all but vanished in India and Nepal. Because of it's syncretic properties, the majority Hindu population could simply 're-integrate' Buddhism and well, it did. The Buddha in Hinduism is another avatar of Vishnu.

All religions are in some shape or form "a way of life."

At the time of the Buddha, "Hinduism" didn't exist. The Vedic religion had more in common with Norse or Greek paganism at the time, with Indra as supreme king of the gods and a paradise similar to Valhalla. Buddhism started as a branch from the Shramanic tradition, which subscribed to reincarnation, asceticism, and other elements. As far as I know, sunyata and anatta are doctrines unique to Buddhism, even Jainism, which is the closest religion to Buddhism, does not teach these.

[Nusaresa]

I'd argue that there was very little spirituality involved in Buddhism to begin with. The rest are details added after the fact through oral tradition. In Theravada Buddhism the Buddha is generally not seen as a divine being, rather a human who went through as many lives as they could have gotten through to realize that there was a way to break that cycle of suffering and 'rebirth'.

And even then, reincarnation in Buddhism is a sticky idea as it's not what most actually think it is. Buddhism discards the idea of the self and by extension a permanent soul that exists after death.

That's called cultural appropriation bruh. But then again it's only as harmful as it wants to be.

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

No method is truly 'right' in Buddhism so long as they retain a semblance of the core, fundamental teachings of the Dharma.

Well in this case I'm using it in the context of harm and removal of context as a result of such cultural exchange. Which, in Buddhism, didn't matter much.

I'm not against such conversions as it is of their own volition. I'm more against blatant perversion, but I won't through a hissy fit about it.

[Dagashi Shojo]

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

It'd be kind of silly to dislike Westerners converting to, say, Zen or Nichiren when heads of those faiths specifically proselytized in the West for that purpose.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I mean he isn't wrong either since Buddhism is fundamentally atheistic.

But then again yeah he is loony.

Buddhism is filled with accounts of deities, titans, spirits, and hellbeings. It doesn't have to believe in a permanent monotheistic God to be theistic. Of course, a Buddhist could reject most of those as myths, but Bachelor essentially wants to reduce Buddhism to some nice meditative exercises. You can remove deities from Buddhism, but remove the element of rebirth, and it loses next to all of it's meaning.

Tbh that's a contentious issue in both Buddhism and Hinduism.

[Jochizyd Republic]

double post

[Dushan]

Except enlightenment is not about finding a 'true self' and that even then, 'happiness' is transient and temporary.

Confirmed.

It does help though with a few things.

I'm more against blatant perversion, but I won't through a hissy fit about it.

New Agers and Hippies who go all into Buddhism for cuddle, cute and warm feels stuff are sure to receive a sceptical glance from me.

That being said let's talk about something more interesting, regarding perversions:

Would the usage of Buddhism by the Baron von Ungern-Sternberg or some more ancient Mongol Khans be a blatant perversion of Buddhism in your opinion?

[The New Sea Territory]

Sure, sure.

For legitimate religions anyway.

[Nusaresa]

>tfw I do that to a certain degree

Well in a way it's a way of life. The nice thing (and arguably why it's so easy to mutilated) is that Buddhism when removed from the religious orders, is something that is more like a philosophy and a method of treatment. And in a way it original started off as such. The 4 noble truths is the diagnosis of the human condition in the broadest sense.

The deities, asuras, spirits are a result of Buddhism's ability to be a syncretic faith. And in it's early stages, it was a more radical subsection of Hinduism in a way. Many concepts in Buddhism is derived from the concepts discussed in Hinduism (atman-anatman, dharma, sunyata, etc).

This was also why Buddhism almost all but vanished in India and Nepal. Because of it's syncretic properties, the majority Hindu population could simply 're-integrate' Buddhism and well, it did. The Buddha in Hinduism is another avatar of Vishnu.

All religions are in some shape or form "a way of life."

At the time of the Buddha, "Hinduism" didn't exist. The Vedic religion had more in common with Norse or Greek paganism at the time, with Indra as supreme king of the gods and a paradise similar to Valhalla. Buddhism started as a branch from the Shramanic tradition, which subscribed to reincarnation, asceticism, and other elements. As far as I know, sunyata and anatta are doctrines unique to Buddhism, even Jainism, which is the closest religion to Buddhism, does not teach these.

Well Vedic tradition in this case eventually absorbed Buddhism, just as Buddhism took aspects of the Shramanic traditions that branched off Hinduism.

Sunyata exists in Hinduism. But takes on a different form. Anatta is unique to Buddhism, but was in response to the continued existence of the soul after death which was the norm for Vedic tradition and Hinduism later on.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Would the usage of Buddhism by the Baron von Ungern-Sternberg or some more ancient Mongol Khans

aka Best Buddhism

[The New Sea Territory]

We do want to avoid pain and be happy.

But he is right about the other stuff.

Except enlightenment is not about finding a 'true self' and that even then, 'happiness' is transient and temporary.

He's not talking about real Buddhism. This is what he means by "Western Buddhism".

[Dagashi Shojo]

Buddhism is filled with accounts of deities, titans, spirits, and hellbeings. It doesn't have to believe in a permanent monotheistic God to be theistic. Of course, a Buddhist could reject most of those as myths, but Bachelor essentially wants to reduce Buddhism to some nice meditative exercises. You can remove deities from Buddhism, but remove the element of rebirth, and it loses next to all of it's meaning.

Tbh that's a contentious issue in both Buddhism and Hinduism.

How can one reconcile Buddhism with Islam as equally valid traditions when there are Buddhists who worship devas, while Islam preaches shirk is one of the worst sins one can commit?

[Nusaresa]

Buddhism is filled with accounts of deities, titans, spirits, and hellbeings. It doesn't have to believe in a permanent monotheistic God to be theistic. Of course, a Buddhist could reject most of those as myths, but Bachelor essentially wants to reduce Buddhism to some nice meditative exercises. You can remove deities from Buddhism, but remove the element of rebirth, and it loses next to all of it's meaning.

Tbh that's a contentious issue in both Buddhism and Hinduism.

Very much so. It's just as contentious as the debate of Buddha's divinity (which I reject on all accounts).

Except enlightenment is not about finding a 'true self' and that even then, 'happiness' is transient and temporary.

Confirmed.

It does help though with a few things.

I'm more against blatant perversion, but I won't through a hissy fit about it.

New Agers and Hippies who go all into Buddhism for cuddle, cute and warm feels stuff are sure to receive a sceptical glance from me.

That being said let's talk about something more interesting, regarding perversions:

Would the usage of Buddhism by the Baron von Ungern-Sternberg or some more ancient Mongol Khans be a blatant perversion of Buddhism in your opinion?

Mindfulness meditation and certain cognitive therapies are a result of this, which is good in the end. I do it myself for concentration purposes.

Ehhhh, Orientalism is a touchy subject for me. I'll need to look into it since I end up skipping over it.

[Jochizyd Republic]

For legitimate religions anyway.

"I was going to explain why I disagree but now I see that you're a FUCKING WHITE MALE Reactionary Conservative doo doo head"

[-Fahrong-]

I'd argue that there was very little spirituality involved in Buddhism to begin with. The rest are details added after the fact through oral tradition. In Theravada Buddhism the Buddha is generally not seen as a divine being, rather a human who went through as many lives as they could have gotten through to realize that there was a way to break that cycle of suffering and 'rebirth'.

And even then, reincarnation in Buddhism is a sticky idea as it's not what most actually think it is. Buddhism discards the idea of the self and by extension a permanent soul that exists after death.

That's called cultural appropriation bruh. But then again it's only as harmful as it wants to be.

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

On the note of Cultural appropriation, in junior year of highschool, at states for Model United Nations, with me as president of my schools club we were representing Saudi Arabia, and I got into trouble because my Disha Dasha and the Keffiyehs I bought for everyone from my school, was cultural appropriation to the enraged Muslim band of girls from an opposing school. I nearly didnt have any clothes as I didnt bring a suit, but thankfully a teammate was of similar size and brought two suits. I then found that the main instigator was some blogging liberal tosh, I was quite upset to be rejected of my opportunity to show off the dedication of my school, at that point im surprised they didnt take our Saudi Flags for cultural appropriation to.

[The East Marches]

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

On the note of Cultural appropriation, in junior year of highschool, at states for Model United Nations, with me as president of my schools club we were representing Saudi Arabia, and I got into trouble because my Disha Dasha and the Keffiyehs I bought for everyone from my school, was cultural appropriation to the enraged Muslim band of girls from an opposing school. I nearly didnt have any clothes as I didnt bring a suit, but thankfully a teammate was of similar size and brought two suits. I then found that the main instigator was some blogging liberal tosh, I was quite upset to be rejected of my opportunity to show off the dedication of my school, at that point im surprised they didnt take our Saudi Flags for cultural appropriation to.

I hope you bullied and treaded on other people at the model UN.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Tbh that's a contentious issue in both Buddhism and Hinduism.

How can one reconcile Buddhism with Islam as equally valid traditions when there are Buddhists who worship devas, while Islam preaches shirk is one of the worst sins one can commit?

Some believe the Devas are merely aspects of a Higher Godhead.

Same with Hindus.
'How many gods are there, O Yâgñavalkya?'

[-Fahrong-]

On the note of Cultural appropriation, in junior year of highschool, at states for Model United Nations, with me as president of my schools club we were representing Saudi Arabia, and I got into trouble because my Disha Dasha and the Keffiyehs I bought for everyone from my school, was cultural appropriation to the enraged Muslim band of girls from an opposing school. I nearly didnt have any clothes as I didnt bring a suit, but thankfully a teammate was of similar size and brought two suits. I then found that the main instigator was some blogging liberal tosh, I was quite upset to be rejected of my opportunity to show off the dedication of my school, at that point im surprised they didnt take our Saudi Flags for cultural appropriation to.

I hope you bullied and treaded on other people at the model UN.

I was in Womens rights opposite of Argentina who had Republican tears on her laptop. Oh boy did I have fun.

[Nusaresa]

Except enlightenment is not about finding a 'true self' and that even then, 'happiness' is transient and temporary.

He's not talking about real Buddhism. This is what he means by "Western Buddhism".

Well that was a comment against 'Western Buddhism' as it fails to meet up with some core doctrines, namely impermanence and the lack of soul or 'true self'.

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

On the note of Cultural appropriation, in junior year of highschool, at states for Model United Nations, with me as president of my schools club we were representing Saudi Arabia, and I got into trouble because my Disha Dasha and the Keffiyehs I bought for everyone from my school, was cultural appropriation to the enraged Muslim band of girls from an opposing school. I nearly didnt have any clothes as I didnt bring a suit, but thankfully a teammate was of similar size and brought two suits. I then found that the main instigator was some blogging liberal tosh, I was quite upset to be rejected of my opportunity to show off the dedication of my school, at that point im surprised they didnt take our Saudi Flags for cultural appropriation to.

That's the type of 'cultural appropriation' that Jochi was talking about. The buzzword kind. It doesn't harm or distort any meaning in the clothing correct? Not religiously significant or what not. The Keffiyeh has become a fashion item, true, and does carry its own weight but it's really not cultural appropriation in the end.

[The East Marches]

I hope you bullied and treaded on other people at the model UN.

I was in Womens rights opposite of Argentina who had Republican tears on her laptop. Oh boy did I have fun.

*tear in eye* atta boy Fahrong

[Minzerland II]

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

On the note of Cultural appropriation, in junior year of highschool, at states for Model United Nations, with me as president of my schools club we were representing Saudi Arabia, and I got into trouble because my Disha Dasha and the Keffiyehs I bought for everyone from my school, was cultural appropriation to the enraged Muslim band of girls from an opposing school. I nearly didnt have any clothes as I didnt bring a suit, but thankfully a teammate was of similar size and brought two suits. I then found that the main instigator was some blogging liberal tosh, I was quite upset to be rejected of my opportunity to show off the dedication of my school, at that point im surprised they didnt take our Saudi Flags for cultural appropriation to.

Personally, I would have kept the cloths on, tbh.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Maybe. Different forms of Buddhism have been described to me differently. But I won't distinguish which out of them is right.

I don't like the phrase Cultural Appropriation. As it's used by nutjobs to justify needless outrage and sometimes disunity and implicit anti-multiculturalism.

But yeah. That's only as harmful as it wants to be.

You don't like Westerners converting to eastern religions? Even if it's for alright reasons?

On the note of Cultural appropriation, in junior year of highschool, at states for Model United Nations, with me as president of my schools club we were representing Saudi Arabia, and I got into trouble because my Disha Dasha and the Keffiyehs I bought for everyone from my school, was cultural appropriation to the enraged Muslim band of girls from an opposing school. I nearly didnt have any clothes as I didnt bring a suit, but thankfully a teammate was of similar size and brought two suits. I then found that the main instigator was some blogging liberal tosh, I was quite upset to be rejected of my opportunity to show off the dedication of my school, at that point im surprised they didnt take our Saudi Flags for cultural appropriation to.

lol.

[Nusaresa]

Would the usage of Buddhism by the Baron von Ungern-Sternberg or some more ancient Mongol Khans

aka Best Buddhism

Mongol Buddhism 2Esoteric4Me

Basically the whole Vajrayana tradition is like... ok... ok i got u (no not really soz)

[Nusaresa]

How can one reconcile Buddhism with Islam as equally valid traditions when there are Buddhists who worship devas, while Islam preaches shirk is one of the worst sins one can commit?

Some believe the Devas are merely aspects of a Higher Godhead.

Same with Hindus.
'How many gods are there, O Yâgñavalkya?'

All Devas are just avatars of Brahman. Done.