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What country would you most like to see overthrown by military coup?

U.S.A.
34
15%
Germany
23
10%
France
5
2%
Russia
29
13%
China
25
11%
Turkey
34
15%
Saudi Arabia
42
19%
Iran
20
9%
The Philippines
15
7%
 
Total votes : 227

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Nusaresa
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:27 pm

Pantuxia wrote:As I look at the Podesta thread, I think I'm starting to realize that Soros might just be a centrist pragmatist, which America, being incredibly biased towards the right, isn't used to.

Most businessmen are.
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The New Sea Territory wrote:
I think this is a more classic right-wing way of painting enemies. Maybe 4chan is reviving this.

I'm talking more about mainstream, American conservatism. Bill O'Reilly could talk for days about how Saul Alinsky literally did everything from 9/11 to the 2008 crash to the Holocaust to the Crusades.


Oh yes in the case of right wing mainstream, you are quite correct.

Wait what.
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The New Sea Territory
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:27 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

No
True
Scotsman


yourlogicalfallacyis wrote:"In this form of faulty reasoning one's belief is rendered unfalsifiable because no matter how compelling the evidence is, one simply shifts the goalposts so that it wouldn't apply to a supposedly 'true' example. This kind of post-rationalization is a way of avoiding valid criticisms of one's argument."


I don't think that applies. Learn2fallacy.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:27 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

Why is anarcho-capitalism not anarchism? It's a shit ideology, and many of it's subscribers aren't actually anarchists, but authoritarian rightists, but nothing in anarcho-capitalism is inherently against anarchism.


I think that Grinstead merely favors "physical removal" so to speak.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:28 pm

Nusaresa wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Battle of Lechfeld 2.0 nao.

LET THE MAGYAR RULE

Only if it's Matthias Corvinus.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:28 pm

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Grinstead wrote:I'm just used to hearing left-anarchists say "NOT A REAL ANARCHIST" whenever someone brings up something contradictory to their narrative.


That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

If anything, Anarcho Capitalists are more anarchists than Left wing ones.

The Leftist ones are, unsurprisingly, quite, quite authoritarian. They don't call what they use to get people to agree with them and comply with their agenda a "State". But it certainly seems to contradict anarchism.
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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:28 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Grinstead wrote:No
True
Scotsman


yourlogicalfallacyis wrote:"In this form of faulty reasoning one's belief is rendered unfalsifiable because no matter how compelling the evidence is, one simply shifts the goalposts so that it wouldn't apply to a supposedly 'true' example. This kind of post-rationalization is a way of avoiding valid criticisms of one's argument."


I don't think that applies. Learn2fallacy.

oy vey

To be honest, I'm not really an anarchist anymore.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:28 pm

Also, it's not like Soros has actually talked about seizing the MoP, has he? I don't think he's a Commie. I think he's a centre-right to centre-left pragmatist who's ideas are too far left for the far-right of America to handle.

Still, he did play a large role in the immigration crisis. Half a billion dollars!
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:29 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

Why is anarcho-capitalism not anarchism? It's a shit ideology, and many of it's subscribers aren't actually anarchists, but authoritarian rightists, but nothing in anarcho-capitalism is inherently against anarchism.


If you're extremely loose in the term "anarcho-capitalist" and stick solely to C4SS, early Rothbard and some early Tucker....maybe, but you're really stretching the limits.
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-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore

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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:29 pm

Napkiraly wrote:

Only if it's Matthias Corvinus.

Fair enough~
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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:29 pm

Pantuxia wrote:Still, he did play a large role in the immigration crisis. Half a billion dollars!

This sounds like something Trump would say.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:30 pm

Nusaresa wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Oh yes in the case of right wing mainstream, you are quite correct.

Wait what.


Yes, while I have serious philosophical disagreements with NST, there are some things I do agree with them on. The other example being how some people replace the God of the Bible with the God of reason.
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Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:30 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

If anything, Anarcho Capitalists are more anarchists than Left wing ones.

The Leftist ones are, unsurprisingly, quite, quite authoritarian. They don't call what they use to get people to agree with them and comply with their agenda a "State". But it certainly seems to contradict anarchism.

I think far-rightists such as yourself just confuse any left-wing position with authoritarianism. Can you name one anti-authoritarian left-wing ideology?
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:30 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

If anything, Anarcho Capitalists are more anarchists than Left wing ones.

The Leftist ones are, unsurprisingly, quite, quite authoritarian. They don't call what they use to get people to agree with them and comply with their agenda a "State". But it certainly seems to contradict anarchism.


"Violence is authoritarian" is a dead meme, thx.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:31 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Still, he did play a large role in the immigration crisis. Half a billion dollars!

This sounds like something Trump would say.

I'm surprised Trump hasn't brought him up yet.

Oh wait, Trump took money from Soros.
I support Open Borders for Israel.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:31 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:If anything, Anarcho Capitalists are more anarchists than Left wing ones.

The Leftist ones are, unsurprisingly, quite, quite authoritarian. They don't call what they use to get people to agree with them and comply with their agenda a "State". But it certainly seems to contradict anarchism.

I think far-rightists such as yourself just confuse any left-wing position with authoritarianism. Can you name one anti-authoritarian left-wing ideology?


*googles*

Atomism. No shit, I mean autonomyism.
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore

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Nusaresa
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:31 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

If anything, Anarcho Capitalists are more anarchists than Left wing ones.

The Leftist ones are, unsurprisingly, quite, quite authoritarian. They don't call what they use to get people to agree with them and comply with their agenda a "State". But it certainly seems to contradict anarchism.

Not really. Left anarchism (especially syndicalist variants) is quite decentralized. Anarcho-capitalism still requires that hierarchical structure established by capitalism to function, hence being ever so slightly more authoritarian.
Grinstead wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Still, he did play a large role in the immigration crisis. Half a billion dollars!

This sounds like something Trump would say.

this amuses me greatly
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:31 pm

Pantuxia wrote:Also, it's not like Soros has actually talked about seizing the MoP, has he? I don't think he's a Commie. I think he's a centre-right to centre-left pragmatist who's ideas are too far left for the far-right of America to handle.

Still, he did play a large role in the immigration crisis. Half a billion dollars!


Of course, that part I don't think people are denying (the large role of the money).
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Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:31 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

No
True
Scotsman


Anarchism is an ideology, you lack several basic components to qualify as a member of that ideology. There's no True Scotsman about it.

To be honest, I half-suspect you lot just claim to be "anarchists" for the purpose of the chic associated with the term.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:32 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:Wait what.


Yes, while I have serious philosophical disagreements with NST, there are some things I do agree with them on. The other example being how some people replace the God of the Bible with the God of reason.


That's really Stirner, not me. It's his criticism of Feuerbach copypasted against modern secular humanists.
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:32 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:Wait what.


Yes, while I have serious philosophical disagreements with NST, there are some things I do agree with them on. The other example being how some people replace the God of the Bible with the God of reason.

No no no, I meant your comment on the American mainstream. So the mainstream is a nutwhacker that blames anything as a result of one person?
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Climate Change needs to stop being a partisan issue

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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:32 pm

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Grinstead wrote:No
True
Scotsman


Anarchism is an ideology, you lack several basic components to qualify as a member of that ideology. There's no True Scotsman about it.

To be honest, I half-suspect you lot just claim to be "anarchists" for the purpose of the chic associated with the term.

Components such as?
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:33 pm

Unnamed island state wrote:Time for a new topic.

What are your thoughts on quantitative easing?

Image


Unnamed island state wrote:quantitative

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:33 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:I think far-rightists such as yourself just confuse any left-wing position with authoritarianism. Can you name one anti-authoritarian left-wing ideology?


*googles*

Atomism. No shit, I mean autonomyism.

I found this:
http://libcom.org/files/imagecache/arti ... affiti.jpg
And some pics with anarchist symbols on them.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:33 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Unnamed island state wrote:Time for a new topic.

What are your thoughts on quantitative easing?

Image


Unnamed island state wrote:quantitative

Image

Who is this man?
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:33 pm

Nusaresa wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Yes, while I have serious philosophical disagreements with NST, there are some things I do agree with them on. The other example being how some people replace the God of the Bible with the God of reason.

No no no, I meant your comment on the American mainstream. So the mainstream is a nutwhacker that blames anything as a result of one person?


Yes.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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