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What country would you most like to see overthrown by military coup?

U.S.A.
34
15%
Germany
23
10%
France
5
2%
Russia
29
13%
China
25
11%
Turkey
34
15%
Saudi Arabia
42
19%
Iran
20
9%
The Philippines
15
7%
 
Total votes : 227

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PaNTuXIa
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:17 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
>A crony capitalist can be really left wing

The guy purposely crashes markets and loves immigration as a means of undercutting labor. I find it ironic that the right is opposing him and not the left.


I don't think it is ironic at all. The right has a pathological need to focus on individuals who embody things they don't like. Whether it's Soros, Barack al-Kenyan al-Marxist ibn Hussein Obama, Ayers, Saul Alinsky or any of the other conspiratorial right-wing figures.

The left (at least, the far-left) on the other hand cares more about classes as a whole. I don't particularly care about all the individual actions of one man. I want to overthrow the ruling class altogether.

And that's my point. I think Soros might just be interested in funding your revolution.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Nusaresa
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Pantuxia wrote:The reason I bring Soros up is because I used to think that the elite we're primarily neoliberal or conservative, but as I dig deeper, I find that to be not true.

Rich people and the bourgeoisie aren't as uniform as they seem to be.

Whatever makes a profit and keeps everyone under our heels mate. It's all business.
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Napkiraly wrote:Are you trying to give us alcohol poisoning?


It's all part of The Eternal Hungarian's plan!

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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:He needs better PR like Warren "The Railroad Baron" Buffet. That guy knows how to play the game and look like good guy.

That he does. But he's also rich enough to play such a ridiculously long game that it doesn't much matter.


That's true too.
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Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Pantuxia wrote:The reason I bring Soros up is because I used to think that the elite we're primarily neoliberal or conservative, but as I dig deeper, I find that to be not true.

are you even an anarchist anymore
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The New Sea Territory
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:19 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I don't think it is ironic at all. The right has a pathological need to focus on individuals who embody things they don't like. Whether it's Soros, Barack al-Kenyan al-Marxist ibn Hussein Obama, Ayers, Saul Alinsky or any of the other conspiratorial right-wing figures.

The left (at least, the far-left) on the other hand cares more about classes as a whole. I don't particularly care about all the individual actions of one man. I want to overthrow the ruling class altogether.

And that's my point. I think Soros might just be interested in funding your revolution.


Lolnope. He's interested in buying it, like most of the bourgeois.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:20 pm

Living Stones wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Are you trying to give us alcohol poisoning?


It's all part of The Eternal Hungarian's plan!

Magyar go home, pls.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:20 pm

The East Marches wrote:Well when you import a large amount of people into area with no mechanisms for assimilating them, what do you expect to happen? You'd think the Europeans would learn from their experiences with the Algerians and Turks.

Tbf the problems of assimilation are different from the problem of social unrest under a magnifying glass a la the Cologne incidents.
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Nusaresa
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:20 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:The reason I bring Soros up is because I used to think that the elite we're primarily neoliberal or conservative, but as I dig deeper, I find that to be not true.

are you even an anarchist anymore

seconding this
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Jochizyd Republic wrote:Death by honorable child soldier is less humiliating than death by Antifa activist.

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Climate Change needs to stop being a partisan issue

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PaNTuXIa
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:20 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:The reason I bring Soros up is because I used to think that the elite we're primarily neoliberal or conservative, but as I dig deeper, I find that to be not true.

are you even an anarchist anymore

Yes.

Acknowledging that George Soros exists isn't unanarchist.
I support Open Borders for Israel.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Nusaresa
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:21 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Living Stones wrote:
It's all part of The Eternal Hungarian's plan!

Magyar go home, pls.

LET. THE. HUNGARIAN. STAY.
The Republic of Nusaresa

A Southeast Asian getaway with long unbroken beaches, many historical sites, and a world class quality of life. Enjoy a pleasant dinner at the many restaurants, snorkeling at the pristine lagoon, or discover the Nusarese heritage through a tour of the country.

Nusaresa welcomes you.
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Death by honorable child soldier is less humiliating than death by Antifa activist.

confirmed yandere bishounen
Climate Change needs to stop being a partisan issue

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Jochizyd Republic
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:21 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Fuck it.

I've been a revisionist zionist since I signed up. You knew that right?

Oh yeah.

But you were never that bad.
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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:22 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Grinstead wrote:are you even an anarchist anymore

Yes.

Acknowledging that George Soros exists isn't unanarchist.

I'm just used to hearing left-anarchists say "NOT A REAL ANARCHIST" whenever someone brings up something contradictory to their narrative.
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The New Sea Territory
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:22 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Grinstead wrote:are you even an anarchist anymore

Yes.

Acknowledging that George Soros exists isn't unanarchist.


No, but focusing on individuals as opposed to classes is exactly what an anarchist or Marxist class analysis seeks to avoid, because it ends up in conspiratorial thinking like "one man caused the refugee crisis".
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The East Marches
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:23 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
>A crony capitalist can be really left wing

The guy purposely crashes markets and loves immigration as a means of undercutting labor. I find it ironic that the right is opposing him and not the left.


I don't think it is ironic at all. The right has a pathological need to focus on individuals who embody things they don't like. Whether it's Soros, Barack al-Kenyan al-Marxist ibn Hussein Obama, Ayers, Saul Alinsky or any of the other conspiratorial right-wing figures.

The left (at least, the far-left) on the other hand cares more about classes as a whole. I don't particularly care about all the individual actions of one man. I want to overthrow the ruling class altogether.


I always thought the right wing was all about groups. "THE J00S" (apologies Grin) or the "other". For instance the current situation regarding people they called "cuckservatives" and things of this nature. The Right doesn't have a Porky esque character or some nameless corporate structure to hate, therefore they have to resort to some form of naming in their conspiracies of groups. Then again, I've spent too much time on 4chin and my opinion is colored by this.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Dagashi Shojo
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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:23 pm

Grinstead wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Yes.

Acknowledging that George Soros exists isn't unanarchist.

I'm just used to hearing left-anarchists say "NOT A REAL ANARCHIST" whenever someone brings up something contradictory to their narrative.


That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.
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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:24 pm

The East Marches wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I don't think it is ironic at all. The right has a pathological need to focus on individuals who embody things they don't like. Whether it's Soros, Barack al-Kenyan al-Marxist ibn Hussein Obama, Ayers, Saul Alinsky or any of the other conspiratorial right-wing figures.

The left (at least, the far-left) on the other hand cares more about classes as a whole. I don't particularly care about all the individual actions of one man. I want to overthrow the ruling class altogether.


"THE J00S" (apologies Grin)
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PaNTuXIa
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:24 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Yes.

Acknowledging that George Soros exists isn't unanarchist.


No, but focusing on individuals as opposed to classes is exactly what an anarchist or Marxist class analysis seeks to avoid, because it ends up in conspiratorial thinking like "one man caused the refugee crisis".

Once again, I think pledging half a billion dollars towards immigration is at least worth mentioning.

As I look at the Podesta thread, I think I'm starting to realize that Soros might just be a centrist pragmatist, which America, being incredibly biased towards the right, isn't used to.
I support Open Borders for Israel.
United Marxist Nations wrote:Anime has ruined my life.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:24 pm

Nusaresa wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Magyar go home, pls.

LET. THE. HUNGARIAN. STAY.

Battle of Lechfeld 2.0 nao.

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The East Marches
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Well when you import a large amount of people into area with no mechanisms for assimilating them, what do you expect to happen? You'd think the Europeans would learn from their experiences with the Algerians and Turks.

Tbf the problems of assimilation are different from the problem of social unrest under a magnifying glass a la the Cologne incidents.


I would consider the two tied together however, I can see from your perspective as well.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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The New Sea Territory
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:25 pm

The East Marches wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
I don't think it is ironic at all. The right has a pathological need to focus on individuals who embody things they don't like. Whether it's Soros, Barack al-Kenyan al-Marxist ibn Hussein Obama, Ayers, Saul Alinsky or any of the other conspiratorial right-wing figures.

The left (at least, the far-left) on the other hand cares more about classes as a whole. I don't particularly care about all the individual actions of one man. I want to overthrow the ruling class altogether.


I always thought the right wing was all about groups. "THE J00S" (apologies Grin) or the "other". For instance the current situation regarding people they called "cuckservatives" and things of this nature. The Right doesn't have a Porky esque character or some nameless corporate structure to hate, therefore they have to resort to some form of naming in their conspiracies of groups. Then again, I've spent too much time on 4chin and my opinion is colored by this.


I think this is a more classic right-wing way of painting enemies. Maybe 4chan is reviving this.

I'm talking more about mainstream, American conservatism. Bill O'Reilly could talk for days about how Saul Alinsky literally did everything from 9/11 to the 2008 crash to the Holocaust to the Crusades.
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Nusaresa
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Postby Nusaresa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:25 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Nusaresa wrote:LET. THE. HUNGARIAN. STAY.

Battle of Lechfeld 2.0 nao.

LET THE MAGYAR RULE
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Nusaresa welcomes you.
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Death by honorable child soldier is less humiliating than death by Antifa activist.

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Climate Change needs to stop being a partisan issue

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Grinstead
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Postby Grinstead » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:25 pm

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Grinstead wrote:I'm just used to hearing left-anarchists say "NOT A REAL ANARCHIST" whenever someone brings up something contradictory to their narrative.


That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

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The East Marches
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:26 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I always thought the right wing was all about groups. "THE J00S" (apologies Grin) or the "other". For instance the current situation regarding people they called "cuckservatives" and things of this nature. The Right doesn't have a Porky esque character or some nameless corporate structure to hate, therefore they have to resort to some form of naming in their conspiracies of groups. Then again, I've spent too much time on 4chin and my opinion is colored by this.


I think this is a more classic right-wing way of painting enemies. Maybe 4chan is reviving this.

I'm talking more about mainstream, American conservatism. Bill O'Reilly could talk for days about how Saul Alinsky literally did everything from 9/11 to the 2008 crash to the Holocaust to the Crusades.


Oh yes in the case of right wing mainstream, you are quite correct.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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PaNTuXIa
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Founded: Feb 26, 2016
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:26 pm

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Grinstead wrote:I'm just used to hearing left-anarchists say "NOT A REAL ANARCHIST" whenever someone brings up something contradictory to their narrative.


That's only for actual non-anarchists, such as you.

Why is anarcho-capitalism not anarchism? It's a shit ideology, and many of it's subscribers aren't actually anarchists, but authoritarian rightists, but nothing in anarcho-capitalism is inherently against anarchism.
I support Open Borders for Israel.
United Marxist Nations wrote:Anime has ruined my life.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:27 pm

Time for a new topic.

What are your thoughts on quantitative easing?
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