Right Wing Discussion Thread The Fourth

[Dagashi Shojo]

Could be a few things actually. Some say the French Revolution. Which is a very good point. Some Say The Very Beginning of the Enlightenment Era in general. Which is kind of a simplification but a very good point as well. And others say it was Pope Clement V's disbandment of the Knights Templar.

How was the French Revolution suicide or decay for Europe?

[Jochizyd Republic]

I have no problem with the technological, scientific and medical advancements on their own.

The values and social structure changes. yyyyeah.

Bro... bro... with technological advancement and more accessibility to information and resouces, the social order is simply an illusion to keep things neat and tidy.

Technological and scientific advancements change society in ways that are only bad if it is seen as it were bad.

Again, I don't see those advancements being bad.

The conclusions people drew from them and ways they applied the new knowledge due to enlightenment ideals got bad fast.

[Minzerland II]

Adapt or be trampled~

RIP Luddites

[Minzerland II]

I think people are being a tad bit hyperbolic, the West isn't dead and it won't for quite a while; the Enlightenment was one of the Wests greatest moments.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Could be a few things actually. Some say the French Revolution. Which is a very good point. Some Say The Very Beginning of the Enlightenment Era in general. Which is kind of a simplification but a very good point as well. And others say it was Pope Clement V's disbandment of the Knights Templar.

How was the French Revolution suicide or decay for Europe?

Deconstruction of The Old Orders of Family, Monarchy, Doctrine, Initiatic Orders. A big kickoff for modernism.

What did you expect me to say?

[The East Marches]

Daily Reminder: The First World War was the collective suicide of the West and the biggest mistake in since the Fall of Rome

Arogance and hate of one's brother due to petty nationalism would do that. But it was not all in vain, anything for the sake of technological progress.

Edit: Beautiful video btw o:

Admittedly, I am not a pacifist by any means. However, it is incidents like the First World War that lead me to my staunch belief in armed neutrality. There is no reason to join the headlong plunge into war. Even if that is in the cards of fate for others, we can still save ourselves. Violence is just means to an end. The same goes for war. The question is whether the risks of losses outweigh the potential gains on our end.

What do you think it was then friendo? We were at the height of our global domination and threw it all away in a war which gained ultimately nothing.

Could be a few things actually. Some say the French Revolution. Which is a very good point. Some Say The Very Beginning of the Enlightenment Era in general. Which is kind of a simplification but a very good point as well. And others say it was Pope Clement V's disbandment of the Knights Templar.

I think it was less of one suicide and more of a decay. All of these being major points of it. The Templar's disbandment probably being the start.

I believe this a result of your worldview being radically different than mine. I don't believe you and I will agree very well on this matter due to that.

Arogance and hate of one's brother due to petty nationalism would do that. But it was not all in vain, anything for the sake of technological progress.

Edit: Beautiful video btw o:

> not wanting to be part of tyrannous multicultural empires
> "petty nationalism"

Its petty nationalism to obsess over two worth towns. Its petty to spend the lives of men and ruin the flower of a generation against defenses that you knew would be near impossible to break. Just to fulfill the egos of a small group intellectuals at the heart of a nation. 1.2 million men from Italy? For what? For a few token provinces from the Western powers? They didn't even get anything out of the war in the end that they were promised. Those men of the Hapsburgs fought very hard to keep the Italians from ruining that multicultural empire they were a part of.

[Individual Thought Patterns]

Could be a few things actually. Some say the French Revolution. Which is a very good point. Some Say The Very Beginning of the Enlightenment Era in general. Which is kind of a simplification but a very good point as well. And others say it was Pope Clement V's disbandment of the Knights Templar.

How was the French Revolution suicide or decay for Europe?

Literally jumpstarting republicanism, destruction of tradition.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I believe this a result of your worldview being radically different than mine. I don't believe you and I will agree very well on this matter due to that.

Yeah probably. That's alright.

[Seylland]

Edit: As shown here, the Nusa-Sen has slipped into his warhawk neoliberalism and 'technological advancement no matter the cost'

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Bro... bro... with technological advancement and more accessibility to information and resouces, the social order is simply an illusion to keep things neat and tidy.

Technological and scientific advancements change society in ways that are only bad if it is seen as it were bad.

Again, I don't see those advancements being bad.

The conclusions people drew from them and ways they applied the new knowledge due to enlightenment ideals got bad fast.

Darwin's findings was one thing that definitely got misinterpreted and applied horrendously. Well what can one do, mistakes happened and one cannot turn the clock back, might as well try to fix things in the present.

Adapt or be trampled~

RIP Luddites

i trample over them with my jackboots errday

Arogance and hate of one's brother due to petty nationalism would do that. But it was not all in vain, anything for the sake of technological progress.

Edit: Beautiful video btw o:

Admittedly, I am not a pacifist by any means. However, it is incidents like the First World War that lead me to my staunch belief in armed neutrality. There is no reason to join the headlong plunge into war. Even if that is in the cards of fate for others, we can still save ourselves. Violence is just means to an end. The same goes for war. The question is whether the risks of losses outweigh the potential gains on our end.

The first world war saw technological advancements that could have only be done through participating in the violent competition. I'd say, despite its costs of life, property, and wealth... the technological advancements made paved the way to the next 'technological races' after that. And many great powers didn't have much choice in the matter. Alliances were made and the lines have been drawn in far too deeply. The competitive spirit and arrogance simply was unrestrained.

[Minzerland II]

RIP Luddites

i trample over them with my jackboots errday

Machine made, I hope.

[Jochizyd Republic]

> not wanting to be part of tyrannous multicultural empires

>tyrannous
I think this has something to do with it.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Darwin's findings was one thing that definitely got misinterpreted and applied horrendously. Well what can one do, mistakes happened and one cannot turn the clock back, might as well try to fix things in the present.

Good example.

But I want to "turn the clock back" not physically, but spiritually and socially.

[Grauw]

Darwin's findings was one thing that definitely got misinterpreted and applied horrendously. Well what can one do, mistakes happened and one cannot turn the clock back, might as well try to fix things in the present.

Good example.

But I want to "turn the clock back" not physically, but spiritually and socially.

How do you turn the clock back spiritually?

[The East Marches]

Edit: As shown here, the Nusa-Sen has slipped into his warhawk neoliberalism and 'technological advancement no matter the cost'

Its quite alright, we all do that from time to time.

The first world war saw technological advancements that could have only be done through participating in the violent competition. I'd say, despite its costs of life, property, and wealth... the technological advancements made paved the way to the next 'technological races' after that. And many great powers didn't have much choice in the matter. Alliances were made and the lines have been drawn in far too deeply. The competitive spirit and arrogance simply was unrestrained.

Yes, I concur that many great powers didn't have a choice in the matter. Once the mobilizations occurred, for most, little else could be done. For this, I am grateful my own country sat the war out. We were able to make a pretty penny from the war and industrialize to an even greater extent. Indeed, it is said that the technology of flight was advanced 30 years. I disagree though, that the cost was worth it. In this case, the blood tithe was just too much for me to stomach.

[Seylland]

i trample over them with my jackboots errday

Machine made, I hope.

Machine made with the finest leather~

Darwin's findings was one thing that definitely got misinterpreted and applied horrendously. Well what can one do, mistakes happened and one cannot turn the clock back, might as well try to fix things in the present.

Good example.

But I want to "turn the clock back" not physically, but spiritually and socially.

Unlikely to happen, given the mentality of much of the world. The issue with social norms is that it often aligns itself with technological paradigms, as seen during the 1800s, whereby the racism was reinforced by the misinterpretation of Darwin's works.

Society being as connected now, and with the rise of information (both factual and not) most people want to find methods that appease their own inner self worth and ego only compromising when the ideals cannot meat the test of time or are rejected by the ever changing norm. That is something we cannot change (at least we have little control over it) as a result of this lovely thing called the internet. Education and the accessibility of more factual (usually) information drives scientific inquiry and technological advancement.

Change, curiosity, and moving forward has been an integral part of the human spirit (as well as faith, compassion, etc), and it is very hard to restrain or suppress without drastic measures
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[Jochizyd Republic]

Good example.

But I want to "turn the clock back" not physically, but spiritually and socially.

How do you turn the clock back spiritually?

Adhering to the authentic Traditional...eeehhh...esotericism. For lack of a better word.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

How do you turn the clock back spiritually?

Adhering to the authentic Traditional...eeehhh...esotericism. For lack of a better word.

You mean secretive bullshit and secret societies?
*falls asleep*

[Grauw]

How do you turn the clock back spiritually?

Adhering to the authentic Traditional...eeehhh...esotericism. For lack of a better word.

How do you determine what is Traditional?

[Germanic Templars]

Adhering to the authentic Traditional...eeehhh...esotericism. For lack of a better word.

You mean secretive bullshit and secret societies?
*falls asleep*

Oh UCE that is the Illuminati you are talking about.

[Seylland]

The first world war saw technological advancements that could have only be done through participating in the violent competition. I'd say, despite its costs of life, property, and wealth... the technological advancements made paved the way to the next 'technological races' after that. And many great powers didn't have much choice in the matter. Alliances were made and the lines have been drawn in far too deeply. The competitive spirit and arrogance simply was unrestrained.

Yes, I concur that many great powers didn't have a choice in the matter. Once the mobilizations occurred, for most, little else could be done. For this, I am grateful my own country sat the war out. We were able to make a pretty penny from the war and industrialize to an even greater extent. Indeed, it is said that the technology of flight was advanced 30 years. I disagree though, that the cost was worth it. In this case, the blood tithe was just too much for me to stomach.

Not just flight. Code breaking and computation saw their start here (enigma code and Alan Turing). As well as the fields of psychology (move towards conditioning and a scientific method of inquiry in psychology, recording the effects of what was PTSD/shellshock) and medicine (only possible due to the blood profit of war) among others.

In the short, immediate time frame? It was not worth it. Too many lives were lost in the name of God and Country, King and Empire, Profit and Industry. But look at where we are at now. Sure, things may still seem bad and in some areas the situation is simply terrifying. We can say that there is a decay in values. However, we can appreciate the fact that such wars must not happen again, and that society as well as humanity marches on.

For everything we call 'good' can be only contrasted upon something 'evil' or 'bad' in this world. We can only appreciate the good times after weathering the bad times.

[Minzerland II]

Machine made, I hope.

Machine made with the finest leather~

GG no RE Luddites

[Germanic Templars]

Adhering to the authentic Traditional...eeehhh...esotericism. For lack of a better word.

How do you determine what is Traditional?

Depends, how does a fiddler keep his balance on a rooftop?

Yes this is relevant.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Adhering to the authentic Traditional...eeehhh...esotericism. For lack of a better word.

You mean secretive bullshit and secret societies?
*falls asleep*

*smacks ruler on desk*

Sort of a simplification.

Basic information on what the path is usually isn't secret in Sufi Orders. Although the higher mysteries and contentions are.

[Seylland]

How do you determine what is Traditional?

Depends, how does a fiddler keep his balance on a rooftop?

Yes this is relevant.

I love this video. Best video.

[Germanic Templars]

Depends, how does a fiddler keep his balance on a rooftop?

Yes this is relevant.

I love this video. Best video.

And yet it helps put good understanding and explaining tradition, in a way of course.