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Who Won Tonight's Townhall in Your Opinion?

Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
81
61%
Donald Trump (Republican)
41
31%
Draw
11
8%
 
Total votes : 133

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Maineiacs
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Postby Maineiacs » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:31 pm

Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.



Can I panic now?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:37 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.

Can I panic now?

Stay calm and think of Canada.


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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:37 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.



Can I panic now?

Depends. NYT has her up at 75% and the Princeton people have her around 80%.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Maineiacs » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:40 pm

The thought of that walking embarrassment being President is not helping my clinical depression. :(
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:47 pm

Galloism wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Not quite. Follow-up questions in which journalists don't allow the candidate to blow you off with some falsehood or even more simply some insult. The Media fools fail daily on the relentless pursuit of follow-ups.
Best example is the Tax return issue. Everybody knows it's solid stinking BULLSHIT. Where is the letter from the IRS which informs him he's under audit. Where??? Where is it Mr. Trump? WE DON"T BELIEVE YOU!
Produce the letter.

Honestly it doesn't matter whether he's under audit or not. He can release it regardless.


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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:48 pm

Galloism wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Not quite. Follow-up questions in which journalists don't allow the candidate to blow you off with some falsehood or even more simply some insult. The Media fools fail daily on the relentless pursuit of follow-ups.
Best example is the Tax return issue. Everybody knows it's solid stinking BULLSHIT. Where is the letter from the IRS which informs him he's under audit. Where??? Where is it Mr. Trump? WE DON"T BELIEVE YOU!
Produce the letter.

Honestly it doesn't matter whether he's under audit or not. He can release it regardless.

I know. But if he is shown to be lying about this statement which he has been making over and over and over since Summer 2015 it's gonna burn him bad. It may be his biggest lie.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:49 pm

Maineiacs wrote:The thought of that walking embarrassment being President is not helping my clinical depression. :(

At least it doesn't seem as if Trump has personally murdered at least one person, unlike the president of the Philippines.


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Postby Corrian » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:52 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.



Can I panic now?

Probably not. I expect her to climb again after the debates.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:53 pm

Corrian wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:Can I panic now?

Probably not. I expect her to climb again after the debates.

But Trump is really good in repeating short sentences a few times in a row, with or without minor variations!


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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:55 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.



Can I panic now?

No, the debates haven't happened.

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:56 pm

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Postby Hittanryan » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:58 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Corrian wrote:Probably not. I expect her to climb again after the debates.

But Trump is really good in repeating short sentences a few times in a row, with or without minor variations!

Interviewers and debate moderators need to learn to repeat this short sentence a few times in a row: "You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump."
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:00 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:But Trump is really good in repeating short sentences a few times in a row, with or without minor variations!

Interviewers and debate moderators need to learn to repeat this short sentence a few times in a row: "You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump."

"Now this is a bit awkward, but you didn't answer the question. You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump. Are you aware that you didn't answer the question?"


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:06 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:But Trump is really good in repeating short sentences a few times in a row, with or without minor variations!

Interviewers and debate moderators need to learn to repeat this short sentence a few times in a row: "You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump."

Are you insane? Do you want him to throw a tantrum on Twitter over "unfair media" for a whole week after every interview and debate?









Wait... Now that I think about it, I for one definitely want that. :twisted:
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:10 pm


So soon? Good.
Although I hope she's recovered and not just powering through her illness. She could get worse if the latter is the case.
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Postby Icamera » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:11 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:But Trump is really good in repeating short sentences a few times in a row, with or without minor variations!

Interviewers and debate moderators need to learn to repeat this short sentence a few times in a row: "You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump."

I'm hoping for a lot of this, yeah. Preferably with a little "In an interview with (blank) back in (month), you said (blank)" (preferably accompanied by a video clip of the statement in question) sprinkled in. Given the fuss people made over Matt Lauer's reluctance to fact-check Trump on live TV, I could imagine NBC making a major effort to avoid the same criticism.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:11 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:

So soon? Good.
Although I hope she's recovered and not just powering through her illness. She could get worse if the latter is the case.

When in doubt, get the same medication as president Kennedy. That stuff keeps you going as a powerhouse!


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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:13 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:The thought of that walking embarrassment being President is not helping my clinical depression. :(

At least it doesn't seem as if Trump has personally murdered at least one person, unlike the president of the Philippines.

Has Duterte ever actually personally murdered someone? I haven't heard that he has.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Corrian » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:15 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:But Trump is really good in repeating short sentences a few times in a row, with or without minor variations!

Interviewers and debate moderators need to learn to repeat this short sentence a few times in a row: "You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump."

Thankfully we have Anderson Cooper doing one of them. I honestly trust him. He hit pretty hard in the primary.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:15 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:At least it doesn't seem as if Trump has personally murdered at least one person, unlike the president of the Philippines.

Has Duterte ever actually personally murdered someone? I haven't heard that he has.

One hitman alleged that Duterte ordered several murders, but nothing about Duterte doing it with his own hands.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:16 pm

Maineiacs wrote:The thought of that walking embarrassment being President is not helping my clinical depression. :(

Don't worry, she's still ahead with the debates still to go.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:16 pm

Eol Sha wrote:Has Duterte ever actually personally murdered someone? I haven't heard that he has.

He seemed to fail to recall how many people he had killed.
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Postby Icamera » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:20 pm

Corrian wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Interviewers and debate moderators need to learn to repeat this short sentence a few times in a row: "You didn't answer the question, Mr. Trump."

Thankfully we have Anderson Cooper doing one of them. I honestly trust him. He hit pretty hard in the primary.

If he holds Trump to the same standards he held Pam Bondi to, then we're in for a treat.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:21 pm

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I'd actually like to see more public involvement in the primaries, not less. And more regulation to ensure that primaries are conducted fairly (at present, they're pretty much controlled by the parties and at the state level).

As their are only two major parties, the primaries are usually the voters' only chance to have more than two viable choices.

As opposed to simply having a small number of party insiders pick the new leader in obscurity.


I'd like to see the primary be a one day affair, just get it over with.


That would've super fucked us and got us exactly the same result, just much quicker. Clinton was always leading in the polls and so was Trump. If we would've all voted in maybe March...It would've all been a lot less close.

ALSO, while we're at it. There's literally no reason to vote on a damn Tuesday in November. It's not in the constitution, it's just an arbitrary day from the 19th century. Why are we not voting on a Saturday? No reason. None.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Has Duterte ever actually personally murdered someone? I haven't heard that he has.

One hitman alleged that Duterte ordered several murders, but nothing about Duterte doing it with his own hands.

That's not what this Dutch news article is saying.


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