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Who Won Tonight's Townhall in Your Opinion?

Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
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61%
Donald Trump (Republican)
41
31%
Draw
11
8%
 
Total votes : 133

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Postby Khadgar » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:36 am

Liriena wrote:
Wood Buffalo wrote:Hillary is the most dishonest person since Obama to run. The only thing that is worse is that she is even further in the pocket of globalist elites. Trump is by far most honest, it couldn't be more obvious he is just more a consistent guy while Hillary panders mercilessly to any voting bloc be it blacks or Islamists or illegals.

How managed to cram so many falsehoods into a single short paragraph is beyond me.


Donald is the most honest and consistent candidate ever. All the fact checkers are lying for Hillary. Verifiable reality is lying for Hillary.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:41 am

Khadgar wrote:
Liriena wrote:How managed to cram so many falsehoods into a single short paragraph is beyond me.


Donald is the most honest and consistent candidate ever. All the fact checkers are lying for Hillary. Verifiable reality is lying for Hillary.


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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:42 am

Khadgar wrote:
Liriena wrote:How managed to cram so many falsehoods into a single short paragraph is beyond me.

Donald is the most honest and consistent candidate ever. All the fact checkers are lying for Hillary. Verifiable reality is lying for Hillary.

Interdimensional manipulation cannot be entirely ruled out.


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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:40 am

Khadgar wrote:
Liriena wrote:How managed to cram so many falsehoods into a single short paragraph is beyond me.


Donald is the most honest and consistent candidate ever. All the fact checkers are lying for Hillary. Verifiable reality is lying for Hillary.


Stupid people talk a lot and get an inordinate amount of media exposure versus intelligent documentable commentary. Good for shits and giggles. Not good for US political health, speaking of medical.
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Postby Tectonix » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:11 pm

What if...Rocky de la Fuente is elected? *Gasp*
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:25 pm

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Atlanticatia wrote:..Aaand the truth comes out: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... to-release

"Donald Trump Jr. on Wednesday defended his father's decision not to release his tax returns, saying scrutiny of the documents would distract from his campaign message."

Nothing to do with an audit. It's just that putting sunlight on potentially shady things on Trump's tax returns would be...distracting.

What 'message'?

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Postby Skyviolia » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:40 pm

Honestly I'm tired of Trump. Just go away please. You had your little populist 'uprising,' but you should pack your bags and head off. I'm sick and tired of your bullshit and I am even more sick and tired of the Democrats not playing hardball. Honestly sometimes I think he Democrats are trying to lose elections.
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:45 pm

Iowa's own living horror story Steve King says Colin Kaepernick is 'sympathetic to ISIS'.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:45 pm

Skyviolia wrote:Honestly I'm tired of Trump. Just go away please. You had your little populist 'uprising,' but you should pack your bags and head off. I'm sick and tired of your bullshit and I am even more sick and tired of the Democrats not playing hardball. Honestly sometimes I think he Democrats are trying to lose elections.

That's part of why I did my own #DemExit years ago. ;)
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:52 pm

Skyviolia wrote:Honestly I'm tired of Trump. Just go away please. You had your little populist 'uprising,' but you should pack your bags and head off. I'm sick and tired of your bullshit and I am even more sick and tired of the Democrats not playing hardball. Honestly sometimes I think he Democrats are trying to lose elections.


As many have noted, it's not only the Clinton campaign refusing to go after Trump full force (which can be argued as a good strategy, limits the capacity for screw up), it seems as though most news is as well. Granted, factchecking on T.V. is hard.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:53 pm

Skyviolia wrote:Honestly I'm tired of Trump. Just go away please. You had your little populist 'uprising,' but you should pack your bags and head off. I'm sick and tired of your bullshit and I am even more sick and tired of the Democrats not playing hardball. Honestly sometimes I think he Democrats are trying to lose elections.

What are Democrats going to get by playing the same silly games the Freedom Caucus does? Many of them are now regretting it because it got them Trump, and they haven't been able to pass any of the bills they want.
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:59 pm

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:00 pm


He's not wrong.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:03 pm

New West Guiana wrote:Iowa's own living horror story Steve King says Colin Kaepernick is 'sympathetic to ISIS'.

That guy is incapable of saying non-repulsive things, isn't he?
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:04 pm

Liriena wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:Iowa's own living horror story Steve King says Colin Kaepernick is 'sympathetic to ISIS'.

That guy is incapable of saying non-repulsive things, isn't he?

No
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:06 pm

Liriena wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:Iowa's own living horror story Steve King says Colin Kaepernick is 'sympathetic to ISIS'.

That guy is incapable of saying non-repulsive things, isn't he?

King used an example that if his employees told him that they were going to promote abortion, same-sex marriage or socialism in their spare time, they would be immediately fired and it wouldn't surprise them

The hell? What is wrong with this guy?
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:07 pm

Skyviolia wrote:Honestly I'm tired of Trump. Just go away please. You had your little populist 'uprising,' but you should pack your bags and head off. I'm sick and tired of your bullshit and I am even more sick and tired of the Democrats not playing hardball. Honestly sometimes I think he Democrats are trying to lose elections.

I long for the day when I never have to see this man or his freaky children ever again. election day cant come soon enough.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:08 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Liriena wrote:That guy is incapable of saying non-repulsive things, isn't he?

King used an example that if his employees told him that they were going to promote abortion, same-sex marriage or socialism in their spare time, they would be immediately fired and it wouldn't surprise them

The hell? What is wrong with this guy?

To be fair, if I were working for that bigot, I'd know it even before he said it.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:10 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Skyviolia wrote:Honestly I'm tired of Trump. Just go away please. You had your little populist 'uprising,' but you should pack your bags and head off. I'm sick and tired of your bullshit and I am even more sick and tired of the Democrats not playing hardball. Honestly sometimes I think he Democrats are trying to lose elections.


As many have noted, it's not only the Clinton campaign refusing to go after Trump full force (which can be argued as a good strategy, limits the capacity for screw up), it seems as though most news is as well. Granted, factchecking on T.V. is hard.
Fact checking doesn't much matter because people don't care about facts in this election anymore. Really the problem isn't that the media hasn't attacked Trump is that they tried to attack Trump lazily and in a way to try and not allow Trump to use the "But Clinton does X too"

The media wants to try and portray the candidates as different, therefore they can't use any Trump faults that are similar to Hillary's faults. They also can't use Trump's record from before he ran for office because Trump's past is politically all over the place, Trump has been Progressive and Conservative depending on the guys whims.

So since his Past is too much of a mix to paint him as a single thing they have only his words to go on and the media has gotten lazy there, they were so used to Trump doing something stupid for them to pounce on that now that Trump has stopped doing that they don't know what to do anymore.

It's not that the Media is refusing to attack Trump it's more like they're out of ammo, they fired everything they could at him and he just kept on standing back up again.

Then again the media sucks these days in general, only positive I see from this election is I hope a load of reporters end up in the streets after this for sucking so hard.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:14 pm

Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:16 pm

Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.

Trump is definitely not the president 'Murrikuh needs, but if the electorate proves stupid enough to install the son of a bitch, his disastrous term(s) will be well-deserved.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:21 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
As many have noted, it's not only the Clinton campaign refusing to go after Trump full force (which can be argued as a good strategy, limits the capacity for screw up), it seems as though most news is as well. Granted, factchecking on T.V. is hard.
Fact checking doesn't much matter because people don't care about facts in this election anymore. Really the problem isn't that the media hasn't attacked Trump is that they tried to attack Trump lazily and in a way to try and not allow Trump to use the "But Clinton does X too"

The media wants to try and portray the candidates as different, therefore they can't use any Trump faults that are similar to Hillary's faults. They also can't use Trump's record from before he ran for office because Trump's past is politically all over the place, Trump has been Progressive and Conservative depending on the guys whims.

So since his Past is too much of a mix to paint him as a single thing they have only his words to go on and the media has gotten lazy there, they were so used to Trump doing something stupid for them to pounce on that now that Trump has stopped doing that they don't know what to do anymore.

It's not that the Media is refusing to attack Trump it's more like they're out of ammo, they fired everything they could at him and he just kept on standing back up again.


Not quite. Follow-up questions in which journalists don't allow the candidate to blow you off with some falsehood or even more simply some insult. The Media fools fail daily on the relentless pursuit of follow-ups.
Best example is the Tax return issue. Everybody knows it's solid stinking BULLSHIT. Where is the letter from the IRS which informs him he's under audit. Where??? Where is it Mr. Trump? WE DON"T BELIEVE YOU!
Produce the letter.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:24 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote: Fact checking doesn't much matter because people don't care about facts in this election anymore. Really the problem isn't that the media hasn't attacked Trump is that they tried to attack Trump lazily and in a way to try and not allow Trump to use the "But Clinton does X too"

The media wants to try and portray the candidates as different, therefore they can't use any Trump faults that are similar to Hillary's faults. They also can't use Trump's record from before he ran for office because Trump's past is politically all over the place, Trump has been Progressive and Conservative depending on the guys whims.

So since his Past is too much of a mix to paint him as a single thing they have only his words to go on and the media has gotten lazy there, they were so used to Trump doing something stupid for them to pounce on that now that Trump has stopped doing that they don't know what to do anymore.

It's not that the Media is refusing to attack Trump it's more like they're out of ammo, they fired everything they could at him and he just kept on standing back up again.


Not quite. Follow-up questions in which journalists don't allow the candidate to blow you off with some falsehood or even more simply some insult. The Media fools fail daily on the relentless pursuit of follow-ups.
Best example is the Tax return issue. Everybody knows it's solid stinking BULLSHIT. Where is the letter from the IRS which informs him he's under audit. Where??? Where is it Mr. Trump? WE DON"T BELIEVE YOU!
Produce the letter.

Honestly it doesn't matter whether he's under audit or not. He can release it regardless.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:30 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:
Corrian wrote:Freaking Christ, I thought Clinton seemed to be gaining again after falling to 70% chance of winning, but now she's down to 60.

Trump is definitely not the president 'Murrikuh needs, but if the electorate proves stupid enough to install the son of a bitch, his disastrous term(s) will be well-deserved.

Onwards to the idiocracy, the obscenely glistening fruit growing on the tree of populism.


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