US General Election Thread IV: The Beginning of the End

[Galloism]

Bringing it up as attacks on Hillary will not accomplish much.

It'll backfire and trump is doing a good job of all his attacks on Hillary backfiring.

This is a trend with Clintons.

Even Lewis black once said:

When Bill Clinton got into his mess, pretty much every American wanted Bill Clinton punished. They didn't want him impeached, but they wanted something like a spanking or something. So they turned to the Republicans and said, 'Come on! Get the little prick!' And the Republicans took out their guns, got him in their sights, turned the guns around (points gun at his head), and went 'BAM!'

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Lewis_Black

[Gauthier]

Damn shame.

On the topic of the debates, I expect a weak performance from Trump, where he is on the defensive.

I actually expect him to go on the attack so he can avoid questions about recent scandals.

And then Clinton counters, using his opening brays to slip in something that would otherwise not be a valid topic of discussion.

And there's the possibility of Clinton supporters pelting him with upsetting questions if not actual Clinton plants. Unlike r/TheDonald the debate is not his personal safe space.

[New West Guiana]

David Brock: I will pay for 'Apprentice' tapes

David Brock is volunteering to pay for the legal fees of any "Apprentice" producer or staff member who may have their hands on potentially damaging tapes of Donald Trump.

Mark Burnett, the television producer behind the reality series who is considered to be a friend of Trump, has warned staff he would not hesitate to sue them if they leaked footage from The Apprentice, according to BuzzFeed News.

Brock, the Hillary Clinton ally who runs a network of Democratic groups to help her campaign including Media Matters, responded simply "yes" via email when asked if he'd be willing to back someone financially or legally should they chose to release the tapes.

DO IT!

[Ebliania]

I actually expect him to go on the attack so he can avoid questions about recent scandals.

And then Clinton counters, using his opening brays to slip in something that would otherwise not be a valid topic of discussion.

And there's the possibility of Clinton supporters pelting him with upsetting questions if not actual Clinton plants. Unlike r/TheDonald the debate is not his personal safe space.

I thought they were undecided voters.

[New West Guiana]

I actually expect him to go on the attack so he can avoid questions about recent scandals.

And then Clinton counters, using his opening brays to slip in something that would otherwise not be a valid topic of discussion.

And there's the possibility of Clinton supporters pelting him with upsetting questions if not actual Clinton plants. Unlike r/TheDonald the debate is not his personal safe space.

Bill Maher put on facebook, "Wouldn't it be nice if Hillary takes out a tic tac in the debate"

[Ashmoria]

I pretty much believe her story but there was no way in 1978 that she would have won a rape case where she willingly went up to a man's hotel room. why she denied it was rape in the 90s I don't know but it seems she's changed her mind.

Their are a lot of reasons why a rape victim might change their story. Pressure to recant the accusation (especially from a powerful figure like Bill Clinton), wanting it to be over with, self-doubt...

It doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't raped.

exactly.

what she said has the ring of truth--about bill. at least to some extent. she may have magnified it over the decades but if it happened today it would at least sink a politicians career even if he didn't end up in prison for it. the Hillary part seems like projection on her part since Hillary didn't say anything overtly threatening even after magnifying it over the decades.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I agree that we should be going with which ever alternative provides the best chance of success. I'm sure if we were really serious about solving the problem, Uncle Sam could cook up some studies. I'd make my final choice of selection from those.

This might be where my moral stance conflicts. While I do view some of the issues immigration causes to be in need of policy solutions, and am aware of the political backlash it may create, I don't see it as a problem per se.

So, ideally, I'd encourage development in said nations and encourage high-value immigration, but also not mind the current levels of 'general' immigration. I'd probably accept the solution of prioritising high value migration as a compromise for amnesty and that stuff.

And I have to ask again, what is "high value migration"?

[Ifreann]

How long ago did the questions for the debate get decided?

Clinton obviously put her shills in the audience

Supposedly the audience are undecided voters. One wonders how it can be legal for them to have been stored under a rock for so long.

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The -gate suffix for scandals is basically the worst thing ever, but somehow you've plumbed new and terrible depths. I bite my thumb at you.

ASB hath used "P*ssygate" in his Handicapping thread. Methinks we're undone already, sir.

All is lost.

[Farnhamia]

I actually expect him to go on the attack so he can avoid questions about recent scandals.

And then Clinton counters, using his opening brays to slip in something that would otherwise not be a valid topic of discussion.

And there's the possibility of Clinton supporters pelting him with upsetting questions if not actual Clinton plants. Unlike r/TheDonald the debate is not his personal safe space.

And he doesn't do well in town-hall settings where he can't control the mic. Remember, during the primaries, he could snipe at the other candidates and let them run around attacking each other while he hung back. That doesn't work when you're up there alone with your one opponent. All she has to do is call him "Donald" five or six times and he'll lose it.

[Farnhamia]

Clinton obviously put her shills in the audience

Supposedly the audience are undecided voters. One wonders how it can be legal for them to have been stored under a rock for so long.

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ASB hath used "P*ssygate" in his Handicapping thread. Methinks we're undone already, sir.

All is lost.

Under rocks or kept in comas.

[Alien Space Bats]

I've spent much of this weekend reassuring my disgusted wife that claims that the Trump recording is just 'typical male banter' or (to quote UK populist right-winger Nigel Farage) mere 'alpha-male boasting' are utterly untrue.

I'm aware that there are some men who do behave this way, of course, but in my 47 years I've never once been in a situation I was socialising with men who boasted of hitting on married women or joked about harassment scenarios involving 'grabbing their pussies'.

The only evidence I can offer is anecdotal, but in my social circles we don't spend our time joking about sexual assault, and anyone who started 'joking' along those terms would find themselves ostracised from my social circles fairly sharpish. We would consider Trump's style of 'boasting' about women to be utterly unacceptable; we would not consider it to be 'normal' behaviour.

This is the social divide between college-educated/professional/white collar men and non-college-educated/working/blue collar men. Blue collar men DO talk this way, and their wives and girlfriends generally accept it.

Of course, this goes to a deeper fact that we haven't come to grips with: Blue-collar men hate white-collar men, because they think that the spoiled college boys are "pussies" who earn too much money and have things too easy, and have given in to their wives and minorities. In the eyes of their blue-collar counterparts, white-collar men are "cucks" and sellouts.

That's why I think this has the potential to totally redraw the political map. The Democrats used to be the Party of labor and the GOP the Party of business, management, and the professions; by this time tomorrow, those sides may end up being completely reversed.

[Neutraligon]

And then Clinton counters, using his opening brays to slip in something that would otherwise not be a valid topic of discussion.

And there's the possibility of Clinton supporters pelting him with upsetting questions if not actual Clinton plants. Unlike r/TheDonald the debate is not his personal safe space.

And he doesn't do well in town-hall settings where he can't control the mic. Remember, during the primaries, he could snipe at the other candidates and let them run around attacking each other while he hung back. That doesn't work when you're up there alone with your one opponent. All she has to do is call him "Donald" five or six times and he'll lose it.

I was wondering what was his issue with her calling him by his first name.

[Geilinor]

I pretty much believe her story but there was no way in 1978 that she would have won a rape case where she willingly went up to a man's hotel room. why she denied it was rape in the 90s I don't know but it seems she's changed her mind.

Their are a lot of reasons why a rape victim might change their story. Pressure to recant the accusation (especially from a powerful figure like Bill Clinton), wanting it to be over with, self-doubt...

It doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't raped.

Of course, but having changed the story often, in the absence of other evidence, will make it very difficult to prove in court. At this point, we don't really know what happened.

[New West Guiana]

Trump appears with Bill Clinton accusers before debate

If Hillary had no morals she would need a convention hall.

[Uiiop]

Clinton obviously put her shills in the audience

Supposedly the audience are undecided voters. One wonders how it can be legal for them to have been stored under a rock for so long.

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ASB hath used "P*ssygate" in his Handicapping thread. Methinks we're undone already, sir.

All is lost.

Eh take this with as much salt as you need but apparently you count just as long as you register as an Independent.

[Balkenreich]

I know i'd lose it after hearing Clinton speak my name.

her voice....

[Galloism]

And he doesn't do well in town-hall settings where he can't control the mic. Remember, during the primaries, he could snipe at the other candidates and let them run around attacking each other while he hung back. That doesn't work when you're up there alone with your one opponent. All she has to do is call him "Donald" five or six times and he'll lose it.

I was wondering what was his issue with her calling him by his first name.

I think it's injurious to his ego - he's used to people calling him "Mr. Trump", like they're his underlings.

In this case though, they are equals (well, politically, I guess). There's nothing wrong, even socially, with referring to each other as "Donald" and "Hillary".

You'll notice that even Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey and Hot Dog Eating Champion of the East Coast, calls him "Mr. Trump".

[Neutraligon]

I've spent much of this weekend reassuring my disgusted wife that claims that the Trump recording is just 'typical male banter' or (to quote UK populist right-winger Nigel Farage) mere 'alpha-male boasting' are utterly untrue.

I'm aware that there are some men who do behave this way, of course, but in my 47 years I've never once been in a situation I was socialising with men who boasted of hitting on married women or joked about harassment scenarios involving 'grabbing their pussies'.

The only evidence I can offer is anecdotal, but in my social circles we don't spend our time joking about sexual assault, and anyone who started 'joking' along those terms would find themselves ostracised from my social circles fairly sharpish. We would consider Trump's style of 'boasting' about women to be utterly unacceptable; we would not consider it to be 'normal' behaviour.

This is the social divide between college-educated/professional/white collar men and non-college-educated/working/blue collar men. Blue collar men DO talk this way, and their wives and girlfriends generally accept it.

Of course, this goes to a deeper fact that we haven't come to grips with: Blue-collar men hate white-collar men, because they think that the spoiled college boys are "pussies" who earn too much money and have things too easy, and have given in to their wives and minorities. In the eyes of their blue-collar counterparts, white-collar men are "cucks" and sellouts.

That's why I think this has the potential to totally redraw the political map. The Democrats used to be the Party of labor and the GOP the Party of business, management, and the professions; by this time tomorrow, those sides may end up being completely reversed.

I am not sure that would be the divide ASB, the divide might end up being those who have no college education vs those who do as well as those who are in managerial positions. The republican party has for a while now been reliant on those who are anti-intellectual. I do think that democrats will keep the minority vote for now.

[Gauthier]

I know i'd lose it after hearing Clinton speak my name.

her voice....

So her voice sets you off? There's a word for that.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've spent much of this weekend reassuring my disgusted wife that claims that the Trump recording is just 'typical male banter' or (to quote UK populist right-winger Nigel Farage) mere 'alpha-male boasting' are utterly untrue.

I'm aware that there are some men who do behave this way, of course, but in my 47 years I've never once been in a situation I was socialising with men who boasted of hitting on married women or joked about harassment scenarios involving 'grabbing their pussies'.

The only evidence I can offer is anecdotal, but in my social circles we don't spend our time joking about sexual assault, and anyone who started 'joking' along those terms would find themselves ostracised from my social circles fairly sharpish. We would consider Trump's style of 'boasting' about women to be utterly unacceptable; we would not consider it to be 'normal' behaviour.

This is the social divide between college-educated/professional/white collar men and non-college-educated/working/blue collar men. Blue collar men DO talk this way, and their wives and girlfriends generally accept it.

Of course, this goes to a deeper fact that we haven't come to grips with: Blue-collar men hate white-collar men, because they think that the spoiled college boys are "pussies" who earn too much money and have things too easy, and have given in to their wives and minorities. In the eyes of their blue-collar counterparts, white-collar men are "cucks" and sellouts.

That's why I think this has the potential to totally redraw the political map. The Democrats used to be the Party of labor and the GOP the Party of business, management, and the professions; by this time tomorrow, those sides may end up being completely reversed.

Really?!

I mean, not that I am surprised at the fact that this is the mentality, but I am more surprised that this is taken seriously enough by the regular joe to cause a flip-over of the parties.

[Gauthier]

I was wondering what was his issue with her calling him by his first name.

I think it's injurious to his ego - he's used to people calling him "Mr. Trump", like they're his underlings.

In this case though, they are equals (well, politically, I guess). There's nothing wrong, even socially, with referring to each other as "Donald" and "Hillary".

You'll notice that even Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey and Hot Dog Eating Champion of the East Coast, calls him "Mr. Trump".

Plus the added infuriation factor of How Dare That Pussy Carrier Not Address Me With Deference.

[Arlenton]

It'll backfire and trump is doing a good job of all his attacks on Hillary backfiring.

This is a trend with Clintons.

Even Lewis black once said:

When Bill Clinton got into his mess, pretty much every American wanted Bill Clinton punished. They didn't want him impeached, but they wanted something like a spanking or something. So they turned to the Republicans and said, 'Come on! Get the little prick!' And the Republicans took out their guns, got him in their sights, turned the guns around (points gun at his head), and went 'BAM!'

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Lewis_Black

We got Bush elected though. Just think what would've happened had Clinton campaigned with Gore more.

[Balkenreich]

I know i'd lose it after hearing Clinton speak my name.

her voice....

So her voice sets you off? There's a word for that.

Triggered?

oh god, ive become a college student.

[Neutraligon]

This is a trend with Clintons.

Even Lewis black once said:



https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Lewis_Black

We got Bush elected though. Just think what would've happened had Clinton campaigned with Gore more.

Bush might not have been elected. Remember the first Bush election was pretty much decided by the Supreme Court.

[New West Guiana]

Trump has become desperate to project