US General Election Thread IV: The Beginning of the End

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

But there's no poll there, for Michigan, since the Trump/Billy Bush tape came out?

Ohio has a poll released on Sunday, CBS News/YouGov, but the actual questions were asked from the 5th to the 7th ... ie, two thirds of the sample is from before the tape.

It'll only get worse. I bet Trump will threatened to be down by 20 with the next one.

The CBS poll actually has Trump GAINING in Ohio from last time.

[Kelinfort]

Assuming the accusers are right she would basically be defending a criminal.

I thought Bill's sexual escapades where consensual.

Juanita Broaddrick claims Bill raped her in the late 70's. I'd be inclined to believe her or at least hear her out, but, in an affidavit from the late 90's, she swore under oath that no rape occurred.

[Arlenton]

It was a pretty interesting one. If you think about it, the electoral map from that election would be similar to some hypothetical future election where the GOP kicks out the religious right, paleocons, and other far-right portions of the party and makes inroads with Hispanics and moderate whites.

It's incredible that Hubert Humphrey nearly defeated Richard Nixon despite being down from the DNC in Chicago til October.

He had a decent campaign can made a comeback but still fell short, like Gerald Ford did in 1976. Plus I'm pretty certain that Wallace hurt Nixon more then Humphry.

[Uiiop]

I agree with you but that's are not what these people are claiming.

So they are making up a conspiracy where Bill raped/sexually assaulted a person?

*Shrugs* replace "A person" with "Them" and that's probably it.

[Gauthier]

Trump is being an asshole and meeting with Bill Clinton accusers.

Women who claim Bill Clinton sexually harassed or even raped them meeting with the guy notorious for double adultery, alleged rape and bragging about forcing himself on women.

It'll be a miracle if they get away from the meeting ungrabbed.

[Valaran]

If we could seal them off, would it really be any of our concern?

At my most callous and realpolitik-y, I like the population sustainment migration provides (plus economic benefits and ties to Latin America). Anything to stave off a demographic cliff, really.

Of course, I have a moral argument, but that's based on personal morality and so I understand that such a view may not be shared as widely (and why would it be).

[UED]

It's incredible that Hubert Humphrey nearly defeated Richard Nixon despite being down from the DNC in Chicago til October.

He had a decent campaign can made a comeback but still fell short, like Gerald Ford did in 1976. Plus I'm pretty certain that Wallace hurt Nixon more then Humphry.

Yea, Ford and Humphrey had some amazing comebacks given how shitty their positions were. In fact with Ford didn't mess up on Eastern Europe (that gaffe was like a wtf moment) he probable would have won. Oh Wallace definitely drained the South from Nixon though he did disturb Humphrey's labor base until the end.
I remember 538 claiming that this election was despite its similarities, not like 1968.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Every immigrant who comes here doesn't come here for shits and giggles, that's for sure.

So they already know they aren't here legally because they want a better living for their family (considering Mexico and Central America were in the shitter back then and are slowly improving).

The main problem of illegal immigration is economic and social desperation. Those are people who have nothing to lose already, so they decide to come over and gamble to exit the stark poverty of their community.

Honestly, being paid 5 dollars an hour over here in a farm is far better than being paid 5-8 dollars a day in Mexico for them.

If we could seal them off, would it really be any of our concern?

If you could find an effective way to create a neoprene bubble around the United States without roasting us to death you'd be a genius for Trump and most of the "anti-immigration" crowd.

The fact that that I don't think that's even possible is a telling sign of why "sealing them off" in any way would be an impractical idea.

Foreign Aid to Mexico and Central America would at least have more hopes to be effective without actually thinking of sealing off the United States in a neoprene bubble, or in Trump's world, a wall. I mean, you'd be equally throwing money at something to solve the problem, except it won't end up just being some sort of statement of our vanity.

[Hurdergaryp]

I agree with you but that's are not what these people are claiming.

So they are making up a conspiracy where Bill raped/sexually assaulted a person?

Still tame compared to the batshit insane conspiracy theory claiming that the Clintons have left a trail of corpses while marching mercilessly forwards to the corridors of power.

[Uiiop]

I thought Bill's sexual escapades where consensual.

Juanita Broaddrick claims Bill raped her in the late 70's. I'd be inclined to believe her or at least hear her out, but, in an affidavit from the late 90's, she swore under oath that no rape occurred.

Can we see this affidavit? Also what was Juanita's response/explanation for it?

[The East Marches]

If we could seal them off, would it really be any of our concern?

At my most callous and realpolitik-y, I like the population sustainment migration provides (plus economic benefits and ties to Latin America). Anything to stave off a demographic cliff, really.

Of course, I have a moral argument, but that's based on personal morality and so I understand that such a view may not be shared as widely (and why would it be).

Population sustainment sure. However, couldn't we engineer a better system that allows in people with value rather than poor laborers who will soon not be needed?

[Farnhamia]

It's incredible that Hubert Humphrey nearly defeated Richard Nixon despite being down from the DNC in Chicago til October.

He had a decent campaign can made a comeback but still fell short, like Gerald Ford did in 1976. Plus I'm pretty certain that Wallace hurt Nixon more then Humphry.

The 1968 popular vote was decided by 0.6%, and just under 42,000 votes different in three states, Missouri, New Jersey and Alaska, would have made Humphrey the winner.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html

[The Serbian Empire]

It'll only get worse. I bet Trump will threatened to be down by 20 with the next one.

The CBS poll actually has Trump GAINING in Ohio from last time.

Ohio voters, please go home and not to the nearest polling station. Why? They're frickin' drunk!

[Tezeria]

If we could seal them off, would it really be any of our concern?

At my most callous and realpolitik-y, I like the population sustainment migration provides (plus economic benefits and ties to Latin America). Anything to stave off a demographic cliff, really.

Of course, I have a moral argument, but that's based on personal morality and so I understand that such a view may not be shared as widely (and why would it be).

Plus Mexican food is delicious.

[Kelinfort]

Juanita Broaddrick claims Bill raped her in the late 70's. I'd be inclined to believe her or at least hear her out, but, in an affidavit from the late 90's, she swore under oath that no rape occurred.

Can we see this affidavit? Also what was Juanita's response/explanation for it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... 122398.htm

Have not heard her response as of yet.

[Arlenton]

No, moderate. Opposition to abortion isn't fringe.

Opposition to the constitution SHOULD be fringe.

(Being bipartisan, I'll submit I have the same issue on the left when it comes to some members and the 2nd amendment)

"Should" and "are" are two different things. Sure Kasich is anti-abortion, but he doesn't go around being like Tood Akin. Kasich's position on abortion is not fringy at all, and is decently mainstream. The fact that he has the "moderate" label certainly helps him as well.

[Major-Tom]

The CBS poll actually has Trump GAINING in Ohio from last time.

Ohio voters, please go home and not to the nearest polling station. Why? They're frickin' drunk!

Was the Ohio poll before or after pussygate?

[UED]

Ohio voters, please go home and not to the nearest polling station. Why? They're frickin' drunk!

Was the Ohio poll before or after pussygate?

Are people actually calling it that? Please tell me your joking.

[Gauthier]

The CBS poll actually has Trump GAINING in Ohio from last time.

Ohio voters, please go home and not to the nearest polling station. Why? They're frickin' drunk!

"Ohio Approves of Sexual Assault and Conquest." What a headline that would make.

[The East Marches]

If we could seal them off, would it really be any of our concern?

If you could find an effective way to create a neoprene bubble around the United States without roasting us to death you'd be a genius for Trump and most of the "anti-immigration" crowd.

The fact that that I don't think that's even possible is a telling sign of why "sealing them off" in any way would be an impractical idea.

Foreign Aid to Mexico and Central America would at least have more hopes to be effective without actually thinking of sealing off the United States in a neoprene bubble, or in Trump's world, a wall. I mean, you'd be equally throwing money at something to solve the problem, except it won't end up just being some sort of statement of our vanity.

The goal would be to reduce immigration to a negligible level so that we could attempt to do this.

At my most callous and realpolitik-y, I like the population sustainment migration provides (plus economic benefits and ties to Latin America). Anything to stave off a demographic cliff, really.

Of course, I have a moral argument, but that's based on personal morality and so I understand that such a view may not be shared as widely (and why would it be).

Population sustainment sure. However, couldn't we engineer a better system that allows in people with value rather than poor laborers who will soon not be needed?

[The Romulan Republic]

Ohio voters, please go home and not to the nearest polling station. Why? They're frickin' drunk!

Was the Ohio poll before or after pussygate?

Remember that its only been a couple days since the scandal to end all scandals broke. Probably not a lot of new polls have been done since then.

We should start to see a drop off next week at the latest.

If not, God help us all.

[The Serbian Empire]

Ohio voters, please go home and not to the nearest polling station. Why? They're frickin' drunk!

Was the Ohio poll before or after pussygate?

Much of the polling time was after. Although partially before.

[Neutraligon]

Was the Ohio poll before or after pussygate?

Are people actually calling it that? Please tell me your joking.

Adding gate to these sort of things is so stupid; let's add water to the beginning instead.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

At my most callous and realpolitik-y, I like the population sustainment migration provides (plus economic benefits and ties to Latin America). Anything to stave off a demographic cliff, really.

Of course, I have a moral argument, but that's based on personal morality and so I understand that such a view may not be shared as widely (and why would it be).

Population sustainment sure. However, couldn't we engineer a better system that allows in people with value rather than poor laborers who will soon not be needed?

Define who are these people "with value" for you.

Because farmhands are still going to be in high demand. Replacing humans for machines in farm labor is too economically impractical at the time. The costs surpass the benefits of doing so.

[Hurdergaryp]

Was the Ohio poll before or after pussygate?

Remember that its only been a couple days since the scandal to end all scandals broke. Probably not a lot of new polls have been done since then.

We should start to see a drop off next week at the latest.

If not, God help us all.

If not, quite a few people may come to the conclusion that there truly is no God.