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Who Won Tonight's Townhall in Your Opinion?

Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
81
61%
Donald Trump (Republican)
41
31%
Draw
11
8%
 
Total votes : 133

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Migdal Bavel
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Postby Migdal Bavel » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:07 pm

Implacable Death wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:I would too, I would vote for any former president except W.


If that was the case, I'd vote for Theodore Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. Now those men were ... well, men.


Based on your sig, your support for them is based on them liking to belch and laughing at fart jokes?
...Interesting choice.
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:08 pm

Implacable Death wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:I would too, I would vote for any former president except W.


If that was the case, I'd vote for Theodore Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. Now those men were ... well, men.


If we can resurrect dead presidents, I want Lincoln back.
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Postby Implacable Death » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:08 pm

Migdal Bavel wrote:
Implacable Death wrote:
If that was the case, I'd vote for Theodore Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. Now those men were ... well, men.


Based on your sig, your support for them is based on them liking to belch and laughing at fart jokes?
...Interesting choice.


You are connecting unrelated things.
Okay so apparently these days it's hot and happening to show your gender.
I am MALE. WTF is cis? I am MALE. I like to belch and laugh at fart jokes.

Oh, by the way: gender and sex are the same thing. They are part of a binary system.
Transgenderism is not supported by scientific evidence.

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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:10 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Implacable Death wrote:
If that was the case, I'd vote for Theodore Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. Now those men were ... well, men.


If we can resurrect dead presidents, I want Lincoln back.

I still think FDR was better.

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USS Monitor
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:13 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
If we can resurrect dead presidents, I want Lincoln back.

I still think FDR was better.


FDR would be OK too.
Don't take life so serious... it isn't permanent... RIP Dyakovo and Ashmoria
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Migdal Bavel
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Postby Migdal Bavel » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:19 pm

Implacable Death wrote:
Migdal Bavel wrote:
Based on your sig, your support for them is based on them liking to belch and laughing at fart jokes?
...Interesting choice.


You are connecting unrelated things.

Really?! :shock:
So how exactly are you defining 'man'? Last I checked, 'being a man' is something they share with about three and a half milliard people, many of whom don't have much in common with each other.
My nation isn't me. It can look pretty similar sometimes, but it's not.

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Politically liberal*, verging on anarchist.

Anti-democracy. Neutral on the left/right thing.

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*Actual bloody liberal, not the USA version.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
If we can resurrect dead presidents, I want Lincoln back.

I still think FDR was better.

Add Kennedy to that list, too.
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USS Monitor
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:23 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:I still think FDR was better.

Add Kennedy to that list, too.


Did Kennedy hunt vampires? I don't think so. He is clearly inferior.
Don't take life so serious... it isn't permanent... RIP Dyakovo and Ashmoria
19th century steamships may be harmful or fatal if swallowed. In case of accidental ingestion, please seek immediate medical assistance.
༄༅། །འགྲོ་བ་མི་རིགས་ག་ར་དབང་ཆ་འདྲ་མཉམ་འབད་སྒྱེཝ་ལས་ག་ར་གིས་གཅིག་གིས་གཅིག་ལུ་སྤུན་ཆའི་དམ་ཚིག་བསྟན་དགོས།

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:24 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Add Kennedy to that list, too.

Did Kennedy hunt vampires? I don't think so. He is clearly inferior.

Let's just say that Kennedy hunted a different kind of meat.


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Postby Implacable Death » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:26 pm

Migdal Bavel wrote:
Implacable Death wrote:
You are connecting unrelated things.

Really?! :shock:
So how exactly are you defining 'man'? Last I checked, 'being a man' is something they share with about three and a half milliard people, many of whom don't have much in common with each other.


Yes, really. My signature has nothing to do with the reasons why I would support either Reagan or Theodore Roosevelt.
Okay so apparently these days it's hot and happening to show your gender.
I am MALE. WTF is cis? I am MALE. I like to belch and laugh at fart jokes.

Oh, by the way: gender and sex are the same thing. They are part of a binary system.
Transgenderism is not supported by scientific evidence.

The greatest evils of our day: islamism, liberalism, George Soros

How can you accuse me of evil? Though these deeds be unsavory, no one will argue: good shall follow from them.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:29 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:I still think FDR was better.

Add Kennedy to that list, too.

I would not. :?
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:30 pm

According to the news, it seems the Trump house of cards is starting to collapse. Over 80 Republican lawmakers have jumped ship this weekend. Some say even Trump s VP. is under pressure. In other words, he rather be somewhere else. Something like that. Even the Terminator is not supporting him. At least the Terminator would have made a better candidate. He seems responsible unlike the current candidate. Some senior news reporters who have covered other presidential races have said last nights town hall was an outrage. A mockery.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:31 pm

Implacable Death wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Isn't Geert Wilders more realistic? I mean that's good for us that your situation is such.


Actually, I might just vote for Geert Wilders again, though VNL is a good alternative. It's really the same reason I'd vote for Trump. Not because either are so great, but because the current establishment has shown it has failed over and over again and it's time for a change. Remember how Obama said he'd change things?

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You know that nothing changed despite not living in the United States, ok. Things are actually getting better though but I'm fine with you indulging your feelings.

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Postby Implacable Death » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:33 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Implacable Death wrote:
Actually, I might just vote for Geert Wilders again, though VNL is a good alternative. It's really the same reason I'd vote for Trump. Not because either are so great, but because the current establishment has shown it has failed over and over again and it's time for a change. Remember how Obama said he'd change things?

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You know that nothing changed despite not living in the United States, ok. Things are actually getting better though but I'm fine with you indulging your feelings.


Sorry, I wasn't aware my not being American automatically precluded me from having an opinion on things.
Okay so apparently these days it's hot and happening to show your gender.
I am MALE. WTF is cis? I am MALE. I like to belch and laugh at fart jokes.

Oh, by the way: gender and sex are the same thing. They are part of a binary system.
Transgenderism is not supported by scientific evidence.

The greatest evils of our day: islamism, liberalism, George Soros

How can you accuse me of evil? Though these deeds be unsavory, no one will argue: good shall follow from them.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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Navaronia
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Postby Navaronia » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:33 pm

This is unrelated to the slew of comments above, but I've been noticing a trend with Trump Supporters. They focus on the small events or moments during the debates but don't look at any other specified moments.

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Rio Cana
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:35 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Taziristan wrote:If there was a way to have Obama run again, I would vote for him.

I would too, I would vote for any former president except W.


No. The US has 322 million people and you cannot find one person who can do the job seems kind of unbelieveable. :blink:
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:36 pm

Rio Cana wrote:According to the news, it seems the Trump house of cards is starting to collapse. Over 80 Republican lawmakers have jumped ship this weekend. Some say even Trump s VP. is under pressure. In other words, he rather be somewhere else. Something like that. Even the Terminator is not supporting him. At least the Terminator would have made a better candidate. He seems responsible unlike the current candidate. Some senior news reporters who have covered other presidential races have said last nights town hall was an outrage. A mockery.

Pretty sure Schwarzenegger left California with a big ass budget deficit.

Anyway, both presidential debates have been mockeries, but this past one was better than the first in my opinion. The ever elusive politicus policias was glimpsed and even faintly heard.
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You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:38 pm

Taziristan wrote:If there was a way to have Obama run again, I would vote for him.

Please, I wouldn't mind an Obama monarchy at this point :p
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:39 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Taziristan wrote:If there was a way to have Obama run again, I would vote for him.

Please, I wouldn't mind an Obama monarchy at this point :p

I would. Monarchies are abominable and contrary to republicanism and American democracy.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

"What's the number one method of achieving civil rights in America? Don't scare the white folks." ~ Eol Sha

Praise be to C-SPAN - Democrats Should Listen to Sanders - How I Voted on November 8, 2016 - Trump's Foreign Policy: Do Stupid Shit - Trump's Clock is Ticking

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:41 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Please, I wouldn't mind an Obama monarchy at this point :p

I would. Monarchies are abominable and contrary to republicanism and American democracy.

Yes, that was a joke.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:42 pm

Implacable Death wrote:
New Werpland wrote:You know that nothing changed despite not living in the United States, ok. Things are actually getting better though but I'm fine with you indulging your feelings.


Sorry, I wasn't aware my not being American automatically precluded me from having an opinion on things.

No problem. But personally, the lack of substantiation on a claim about America from a non-American isn't very encouraging seriousness-wise.

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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:43 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Taziristan wrote:If there was a way to have Obama run again, I would vote for him.

Please, I wouldn't mind an Obama monarchy at this point :p


You got to be kidding. Chances are he came into office with a small bank account and is leaving with it overflowing big time. He did approve that law on allowing no limits on persons/companies who give campaign funds. :o
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:45 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I would. Monarchies are abominable and contrary to republicanism and American democracy.

Yes, that was a joke.

Oh, I know. I just like to make my dislike of monarchies known wherever possible. ;)
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

"What's the number one method of achieving civil rights in America? Don't scare the white folks." ~ Eol Sha

Praise be to C-SPAN - Democrats Should Listen to Sanders - How I Voted on November 8, 2016 - Trump's Foreign Policy: Do Stupid Shit - Trump's Clock is Ticking

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Postby Hittanryan » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:57 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Please, I wouldn't mind an Obama monarchy at this point :p


You got to be kidding. Chances are he came into office with a small bank account and is leaving with it overflowing big time. He did approve that law on allowing no limits on persons/companies who give campaign funds. :o

What law is that?
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Postby Navaronia » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:57 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Taziristan wrote:If there was a way to have Obama run again, I would vote for him.

I would too, I would vote for any former president except W.

George W. is a godsend compared to Trump.

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