Transhumanism

[Uiiop]

It may not be about race that's the issue. It could about thought, Sex(Or the lack thereof)or about height for all that we know. Closing off one angle doesn't remove all others.

If you mean like designer babies and parents wanting their children to be tall I don't see the issue really.

I was speaking in more general terms like the first guy says. My problems with that are more of a "Anti-Destiny Enforcement" issue and I understand that's not really inherit in it. Though I do see possible issue in using in relation to certain genetic diseases. I like said though we should proceed but with caution.

[The Republic of Tari]

Transhumanism is extinction, not progress. You first have a dedicated few transhumanists effectively committing suicide by 'transferring' themselves from a biological intelligence to a digital intelligence. A digital intelligence is more efficient in the consumption of resources by several orders of magnitude and, lacking human empathy, the transhumanists make the logical choice, replace every biological intelligence with a digital intelligence. They will use robotic bodies to kidnap and 'transfer' human beings until every human being is a digital intelligence. The end result will be either the destruction of every digital intelligence or the extinction of every biological intelligence

[Uiiop]

Transhumanism is extinction, not progress. You first have a dedicated few transhumanists effectively committing suicide by 'transferring' themselves from a biological intelligence to a digital intelligence. A digital intelligence is more efficient in the consumption of resources by several orders of magnitude and, lacking human empathy, the transhumanists make the logical choice, replace every biological intelligence with a digital intelligence. They will use robotic bodies to kidnap and 'transfer' human beings until every human being is a digital intelligence. The end result will be either the destruction of every digital intelligence or the extinction of every biological intelligence

I'm not sure what you read exactly but you read too much of it and understood too little(Or maybe it's them to be completely fair). That's what those types of people actually want to try to program (Their view) of human morality and empathy and would oppose non-consensual transfers.

The other problems is that this is not really mainstream trans-humanism and it's a unlikely variant at that. From my understanding everyone except those types think of body mods.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Transhumanism is extinction, not progress. You first have a dedicated few transhumanists effectively committing suicide by 'transferring' themselves from a biological intelligence to a digital intelligence. A digital intelligence is more efficient in the consumption of resources by several orders of magnitude and, lacking human empathy, the transhumanists make the logical choice, replace every biological intelligence with a digital intelligence. They will use robotic bodies to kidnap and 'transfer' human beings until every human being is a digital intelligence. The end result will be either the destruction of every digital intelligence or the extinction of every biological intelligence

I'm not sure what you read exactly but you read too much of it and understood too little(Or maybe it's them to be completely fair). That's what those types of people actually want to try to program (Their view) of human morality and empathy and would oppose non-consensual transfers.

The other problems is that this is not really mainstream trans-humanism and it's a unlikely variant at that. From my understanding everyone except those types think of body mods.

^This.

[Uiiop]

I'm not sure what you read exactly but you read too much of it and understood too little(Or maybe it's them to be completely fair). That's what those types of people actually want to try to program (Their view) of human morality and empathy and would oppose non-consensual transfers.

The other problems is that this is not really mainstream trans-humanism and it's a unlikely variant at that. From my understanding everyone except those types think of body mods.

^This.

TBF kinds of people who seem to want that do exist but the post's description is the wrong type. My limited experience is that those type either prefer genetic modification or use it as metaphor unless they mixup with the crowd i thought Tari was referring(Lesswrongians for the record or at least they're one of those groups that gets talked about the most.). Even then, They don't switch per se.

[The Great Devourer of All]

^This.

TBF kinds of people who seem to want that do exist but the post's description is the wrong type. My limited experience is that those type either prefer genetic modification or use it as metaphor unless they mixup with the crowd i thought Tari was referring(Lesswrongians for the record). Even then, They don't switch per se.

Pro-Uploaders certainly exist, but they typically support uploading only if all of their favorable emotional characteristics come with them. I haven't heard of any serious Uploaders who support forced uploading and omnicide, though.

[Uiiop]

TBF kinds of people who seem to want that do exist but the post's description is the wrong type. My limited experience is that those type either prefer genetic modification or use it as metaphor unless they mixup with the crowd i thought Tari was referring(Lesswrongians for the record). Even then, They don't switch per se.

Pro-Uploaders certainly exist, but they typically support uploading only if all of their favorable emotional characteristics come with them. I haven't heard of any serious Uploaders who support forced uploading and omnicide, though.

Yeah that's my point...and not what meant by kinds of people. What i meant was some people at least don't see fiction where the author meant to show those two things as bad ways to end.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Pro-Uploaders certainly exist, but they typically support uploading only if all of their favorable emotional characteristics come with them. I haven't heard of any serious Uploaders who support forced uploading and omnicide, though.

Yeah that's my point...and not what meant by kinds of people. What i meant was some people at least don't see fiction where the author meant to show those two things as bad ways to end.

I agree. However, I'm not blind to the potentially horrific consequences of Transhumanism. Imagine a class of genetic elites in America or Europe oppressing legions of civilians engineered to be mindless slaves, or a nation like China controlling an army of fifty million cheap clones engineered to be in peak physical condition despite barely ever needing to eat or drink.

[Uiiop]

Yeah that's my point...and not what meant by kinds of people. What i meant was some people at least don't see fiction where the author meant to show those two things as bad ways to end.

I agree. However, I'm not blind to the potentially horrific consequences of Transhumanism. Imagine a class of genetic elites in America or Europe oppressing legions of civilians engineered to be mindless slaves, or a nation like China controlling an army of fifty million cheap clones engineered to be in peak physical condition despite barely ever needing to eat or drink.

Same hence my mantra of proceeding cautiously with this stuff.

[Yugoslav Memes]

What forms of enhancement would you people prefer?

[Genivaria]

TBF kinds of people who seem to want that do exist but the post's description is the wrong type. My limited experience is that those type either prefer genetic modification or use it as metaphor unless they mixup with the crowd i thought Tari was referring(Lesswrongians for the record). Even then, They don't switch per se.

Pro-Uploaders certainly exist, but they typically support uploading only if all of their favorable emotional characteristics come with them. I haven't heard of any serious Uploaders who support forced uploading and omnicide, though.

I'd find uploading acceptable if they were the actual people and not merely copies, that it would have to be voluntary shouldn't need to be said.

[Genivaria]

What forms of enhancement would you people prefer?

Enforcement for what?

[Uiiop]

Pro-Uploaders certainly exist, but they typically support uploading only if all of their favorable emotional characteristics come with them. I haven't heard of any serious Uploaders who support forced uploading and omnicide, though.

I'd find uploading acceptable if they were the actual people and not merely copies, that it would have to be voluntary shouldn't need to be said.

For some however if where they upload looks nice enough they don't really care.

[The Liberated Territories]

I've always been sympathetic to transhumanism, however many transhumanists seem to portray an almost rosy picture of body modification and a bad picture of the human body. Personally I think transhumanism will be like how books are: some modifications will come along, but at the end of the day people prefer a plain old book in their hands/eye in their socket than an E-book/mechanical eye.

[Uiiop]

What forms of enhancement would you people prefer?

Personally? Whatever can biologically preserve body and mind though with possible shapeshifting on the side.

[Fenexia and holochrome]

I've always been sympathetic to transhumanism, however many transhumanists seem to portray an almost rosy picture of body modification and a bad picture of the human body. Personally I think transhumanism will be like how books are: some modifications will come along, but at the end of the day people prefer a plain old book in their hands/eye in their socket than an E-book/mechanical eye.

It certainly might feel that way, but many people have said the same thing about horse carriages before the car as well.

What forms of enhancement would you people prefer?

Alot of redundancy is the vital processes.

Transhumanism is extinction, not progress. You first have a dedicated few transhumanists effectively committing suicide by 'transferring' themselves from a biological intelligence to a digital intelligence. A digital intelligence is more efficient in the consumption of resources by several orders of magnitude and, lacking human empathy, the transhumanists make the logical choice, replace every biological intelligence with a digital intelligence. They will use robotic bodies to kidnap and 'transfer' human beings until every human being is a digital intelligence. The end result will be either the destruction of every digital intelligence or the extinction of every biological intelligence

a boogeyman so ridiculous its almost comical.

[Dooom35796821595]

I've always been sympathetic to transhumanism, however many transhumanists seem to portray an almost rosy picture of body modification and a bad picture of the human body. Personally I think transhumanism will be like how books are: some modifications will come along, but at the end of the day people prefer a plain old book in their hands/eye in their socket than an E-book/mechanical eye.

You know, the main problem with ebooks are the price, having to pay the same for a digital book as its physical copy on top of the starting price of a reader, and the need to charge yet another gadget puts people off. Once those are solved, ebooks will be far more popular.

The same will happen with augmentations, they will become more popular as they become more practical and affordable.

[Genivaria]

I'd find uploading acceptable if they were the actual people and not merely copies, that it would have to be voluntary shouldn't need to be said.

For some however if where they upload looks nice enough they don't really care.

Don't really care about which? The potential suicide or the consent?

[Uiiop]

For some however if where they upload looks nice enough they don't really care.

Don't really care about which? The potential suicide or the consent?

Consent. If it was the former why would they bother? They just scan and kill themselves some other way if they wanted a new life/copy to be there after they cloak.

[Genivaria]

Don't really care about which? The potential suicide or the consent?

Consent. If it was the former why would they bother? They just scan and kill themselves some other way if they wanted a new life/copy to be there after they cloak.

Ego? Wanting their name to live forever or some shit?
But yeah consent is needed otherwise fuck the whole notion.

[Kilobugya]

Transhumanism is the future, and has the potential to do a lot of goods, at a scale hard to imagine. But we can't dissociate it from the economical, political and social implications it'll have, we must ensure (ideally through socialism, at worst through social-democracy) that the benefits of transhumanism are open to all, not just a wealthy minority using it to extend even more their power.

[Risottia]

For those of you who don't know, Transhumanists are people who believe ...

...they're doing this:

...whose God-fearing neighbours are afraid they're about to cause this:

...but are actually doing this:

[Alvecia]

I'm very open to the idea of transhumanism. The thing is, I'm fine as long as it doesn't become a means of discrimination and superiority. It can't be a thing people pay for to become superior to others. The entire human species needs to rise together.

This sounds like a pretty good summary, I'll go with this.

[Minzerland II]

I hate the idea entirely.

[Great Nepal]

I'm very open to the idea of transhumanism. The thing is, I'm fine as long as it doesn't become a means of discrimination and superiority. It can't be a thing people pay for to become superior to others. The entire human species needs to rise together.

Yeah that's never going to happen; first it'll be expensive and distrusted, only people really enthusiastic and wealthy will get it, then it'll be more accepted and rich will (although in states with national health service medical procedures will probably be carried out too), then as technology and manufacturing processes cheapen it'll be affordable for most people - see computers, phones, or basically any technology.