Good News Everyone!

[FelrikTheDeleted]

People making comments shouldn't be punished for doing so.
Personally, I would rather this only apply to the touching of a female in a purposeful way, or in the case of threatening the female and the encouragement or incitement of violence against females.
I'd also like to point out the clear abuses that could be a concequence of such a law; A possible abuse might be false reporting, crimes like this are hard to prove without video footage or a large amount of people as witnesses meaning it would be extremely hard to enforce.
Nonetheless if they are to implement such a law it would only be fair to include misandry, no matter how rare a case of misandry might be.

I totally agree. You shouldn't be punished for saying words (unless those words are threats to murder, rape, etc.). And it's not too hard to fake a rape or abuse case, either. But if the police a. Keep it balanced and define misogyny in a legal and not extreme way and b. Make misandry a crime, then a its all good. I know some people will whine that men aren't oppressed and so there shouldn't be laws protecting them, but if we want to live in a society where all genders are equal, then those laws must apply.

Then I agree, this shouldn't be a crime (Unless it pertains to what I said earlier) and if it is made a crime it should be made more equal.

[Minivanistan]

Setting aside the already flawed and redudant concept of the hate crime, this basically rings of bureaucracy marching on to the beat of its own self-justification.

Things in motion tend to stay in motion, and that is especially true of everything that runs on money. Business usually wants to stay in business, and government wants to stay in power.

When industry and government overreach market demand, gross inefficiencies arise, and over time can take rather curious and ridiculous forms.

The bread begins to cost more and gets more stale, while governance becomes rule, and the state transitions from safeguarding its citizens to just guarding them.

In activism, the quest for parity eventually morphs into a crusade for superiority in its desire to perpetuate itself.

Dysfunction through greed, and by that point the original goals are barely evident anymore.
Institutions become vampiric parodies of their original design.

[Crurnlark]

Well, women are a very distinct group that are targetted by people. Didn't make much sense that calling someone with dark skin something vile in public gets the cops called on you, but calling a woman something vile gets you weird looks.

It'd be interesting to see how we look back on old cases that featured exclusively female victims, like 'Buffalo Bill' inspired murders. Will we see those roughly equivalent to lynching, now?

[Cogitation]

If this seriously distresses you, I recommend an overdose of barbiturates to solve your problems.

Wishing death on someone is normally a 1-day forumban offense for someone with a clean record.

Over the past two-and-a-half years, you've had 7 Warnings and 3 Forumbans.

So, *** 2-week Forumban for wishing death on someone ***, compounded by past rulebreaking history.

I have NOT performed a full thread trawl, as I only have time to deal with this one complaint. If there's other rulebreaking behavior going on in this thread, please report it over here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 6&t=389191

[edit] Anyone who's already currently serving a forumban must use the GHR system to report anything at all, since they can't legally post in Moderation. [/edit]

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

[New Werpland]

First they came for my misogyny. Next they came for my balls.

[Kelinfort]

This is what people are whining about? Seriously?

Dad was right, I should be spending my time having copious amounts of sex in college, not going in Nationstates.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Sad that we are actually bothering to pay attention to lawyers proposing such bollocks. We're the UK for feck sake, so many great comedians and public figure will be turning in graves about this.

[Shamhnan Insir]

This is what people are whining about? Seriously?

Dad was right, I should be spending my time having copious amounts of sex in college, not going in Nationstates.

Nah, then you'll be attacked for something else entirely.
Drink, thats what I do. Yeah they'll say its bad for you and attack you for some other shit, but by that point you're already a bit drunk so you don't give much of a shit and can find happiness in cursing them with whatever words your inebriated mind can cook up.

[Xadufell]

Dear god...

As if we hadn't deteriorated to the point where being offended constitutes a "hate-crime..."

I would honestly rip this whole thing apart, but you know... If you say the wrong thing you 'one get banned mang.

R.I.P - Humanity

[The Two Jerseys]

Wait, do the police even have the power to define what constitutes a hate crime? Shouldn't it be up to the law to define what constitutes a hate crime?

[Gravlen]

This thread is what it looks like when people are frightened of things they don't understand, scared of women, and lack understanding of how laws and law enforcement works.

[Xadufell]

This thread is what it looks like when people are frightened of things they don't understand, scared of women, and lack understanding of how laws and law enforcement works.

It's gonna be kinda hard to enforce a law on something so very vague.

"He didn't hold the door for me, that's misogyny!"

"Alright... I guess we have to arrest him then."

[Bakery Hill]

This thread is what it looks like when people are frightened of things they don't understand, scared of women, and lack understanding of how laws and law enforcement works.

It's gonna be kinda hard to enforce a law on something so very vague.

"He didn't hold the door for me, that's misogyny!"

"Alright... I guess we have to arrest him then."

And this is what it looks like when you don't read the article.

[The Great Devourer of All]

This is legitimately good news. Misogyny should be a hate crime, just like racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

It's gonna be kinda hard to enforce a law on something so very vague.."

You're going to want to sit down for this. Shockingly enough, the Nottingham police force does have a clear-cut definition. I know. Woah. It's a lot to take in. If you feel up for it, read this bit I found by very simply going to their website and doing a basic amount of research.

The Association of Chief Police Officers and the Crown Prosecution Service have agreed a common definition of hate crime: "Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender” Nottinghamshire Police has also committed to record as hate offences incidents targeted against women (ie misogyny) and against alternative cultures, like ‘goths’.

It's almost like this is a very reasonable move on their part and the OP and others are just keeping the internet anti-feminism circlejerk going.

[Dalvius]

Oh boy, the feminazis of the world are going to love this one.

[Gravlen]

This thread is what it looks like when people are frightened of things they don't understand, scared of women, and lack understanding of how laws and law enforcement works.

It's gonna be kinda hard to enforce a law on something so very vague.

"He didn't hold the door for me, that's misogyny!"

"Alright... I guess we have to arrest him then."

So what you're saying is, you have no idea what's going on here? Seriously, we went through this in the last 35 page thread on the topic. There's no new law in place. Misogyny is not a crime. The definition is not vague either.

[Noraika]

This is legitimately good news. Misogyny should be a hate crime, just like racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.

Yeah! Its really good to see that we're making progress towards removing hatred, harassment, and discrimination from society. Its a reality that leaves its mark, and causes unconscious psychological stressers and discomfort, which can damage mental health and well-being, as well as be actually physically and emotionally damaging in more direct forms. Highlighting how this is unacceptable behavior in society is important and good.

Its not perfect, and sure needs even expanding in certain areas to cover other areas, but overall this is something that will be to the benefit for society as a whole, and really has a very beneficial effect for the people who often suffer these abuses, while also really not being of any inconvenience to the rest of the populace.

I hope the rest of the UK will follow suit, and other nations after that.

[Sanctissima]

This is legitimately good news. Misogyny should be a hate crime, just like racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.

Yeah! Its really good to see that we're making progress towards removing hatred, harassment, and discrimination from society. Its a reality that leaves its mark, and causes unconscious psychological stressers and discomfort, which can damage mental health and well-being, as well as be actually physically and emotionally damaging in more direct forms. Highlighting how this is unacceptable behavior in society is important and good.

Its not perfect, and sure needs even expanding in certain areas to cover other areas, but overall this is something that will be to the benefit for society as a whole, and really has a very beneficial effect for the people who often suffer these abuses, while also really not being of any inconvenience to the rest of the populace.

I hope the rest of the UK will follow suit, and other nations after that.

Or, y'know, this will just encourage the far-right to become even more extreme, which will inevitably gain power not long after the economy goes to shit and then all hell breaks loose. You're basically screwing yourself over by supporting these initiatives.

[Liriena]

From the article, it doesn't sound like the worst thing ever. The contrary, really.

OP's rabid fear-mongering asides, I don't see anything immediately wrong with this. If hate crime laws are to exist, violent manifestations of misogyny should be treated as hate crimes. And if a violent manifestation of misandry happened to occur, so should it be treated as a hate crime.

[Communist Polish Peoples Republic]

I smell Tyranny. And many false accusations towards everyone the feminists in the country don't like.

[Liriena]

I smell Tyranny. And many false accusations towards everyone the feminists in the country don't like.

I reserve the term "tyranny" for actual tyranny, not hate crime laws that could be abused.

[The Serbian Empire]

Fair enough. I wouldn't be surprised if that eventually became the case, though.

When the majority of the Houses of Parliament and the police forces will consist of that kind of "feminist", maybe.

Tumblr will screech and howl until the police and Parliament listen to them and agree. They're the proverbial squeaky wheel.

[The Serbian Empire]

Yeah! Its really good to see that we're making progress towards removing hatred, harassment, and discrimination from society. Its a reality that leaves its mark, and causes unconscious psychological stressers and discomfort, which can damage mental health and well-being, as well as be actually physically and emotionally damaging in more direct forms. Highlighting how this is unacceptable behavior in society is important and good.

Its not perfect, and sure needs even expanding in certain areas to cover other areas, but overall this is something that will be to the benefit for society as a whole, and really has a very beneficial effect for the people who often suffer these abuses, while also really not being of any inconvenience to the rest of the populace.

I hope the rest of the UK will follow suit, and other nations after that.

Or, y'know, this will just encourage the far-right to become even more extreme, which will inevitably gain power not long after the economy goes to shit and then all hell breaks loose. You're basically screwing yourself over by supporting these initiatives.

Hence why I am opposed to such laws making misogyny a hate crime without also making possession of the SCUM Manifesto and other things that push a misandrist agenda. In other words, radical feminism also must be a punishable offense due to the hatred against men and trans women for their assigned at birth gender.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I don't get it?

What's to be mad about?