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Postby Freefall11111 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:35 pm

Republic of Greater Cuba wrote:9/11 sadly does not mean much to me, I was though born on December on the same year. I have just always grown up in a war like environment or atmosphere, and I do see it clearly even though no members of my faily are currently serving in the military as of now. Seems like terrorist attacks are a everyday thing now

Someone born after the Sept 11 attacks is capable of forming coherent sentences on an internet forum? I feel so incredibly old right now.

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Postby Nochov » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:35 pm

To me, it's the day barbarians from a hateful and primitive religion attacked a civilised nation I'm ideologically opposed to.

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Postby Greater Istanistan » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:33 pm

RIP Salvador Allende. Never forget Pinochet and Helicopter Day!
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:34 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:RIP Salvador Allende. Never forget Pinochet and Helicopter Day!


9/11/01. Not Chile ;P
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Postby Montchevre » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:37 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:To me, it's the day Ronald Reagan's chickens came home to roost and cost 3000 people their lives.

Pretty much. That and Bush ignoring the security community for six months, and then his supporters still somehow managed to blame Clinton.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:39 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Greater Istanistan wrote:RIP Salvador Allende. Never forget Pinochet and Helicopter Day!


9/11/01. Not Chile ;P

I never know that the Chilean coup d'etat happens on the same date as the WTC attacks until you guys brought it :p
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Postby Crurnlark » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:45 pm

Uxupox wrote:There has been instability in the Middle East for the past century ever since the Arab revolt and their arbitrary cultural lines.

Continuing to stab someone who's been stabbed is really, really not going to help.
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Postby Crurnlark » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:48 pm

Republic of Canador wrote:Which doesn't make their deaths any more "real" than victims of 911, though this really isn't the topic of the thread.

The severity and noteworthiness certainly does make them more significant victims of 9/11, though.

And that's what 9/11 means to me. Violence used to justify a lot more violence; and the lot more violence, even though it didn't take place on the eleventh of September in 2001, is what stands out to me when I think of 9/11.
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Postby New Chilokver » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:55 pm

Beyond the "Oh, lot's of people died a long time ago" it's no more than a source of internet memes and conspiracy theories.

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:29 pm

To me, the September 11 attacks are, mainly, a source of continual irritation , frustration, and disappointment as far as politics and culture go. Certainly, they were horrific. The video of the attacks (I was 6 when the attacks happened and have no memories of the day), the Newseum in DC has a particularly moving short documentary that they play, are dramatic, heart wrenching, and attention grabbing. At the same time, though, the true impact, at least for me, of the 9/11 attacks aren't in the physical damage done by the hijackers or the staggering loss of life caused by the attacks. Instead, the true impact is in the reaction of the nation and, most importantly, the government.

Beyond the obvious examples of the Iraq War, the ramping up of NSA surveillance, and the near "holification" of the event, I'm always frustrated with how society, and subsequently the politicians, have basically decided that the DoD, the DHS, and the Intelligence Community are basically given carte blanche in terms of funding. That when someone suggests that maybe the DoD has been given too much money and that spending should be reined in, they are almost immediately branded a disloyal prick who is disrespecting the sacrifices made by America's servicemen and women.
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Postby Soligin » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:40 pm

Comedy=Tragedy+Time
So it's actually pretty funny once you do the math.

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Postby RichardJEW1 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:46 pm

I was 1 years old when it happened so I don't remember any of that, but now, it's a truly tragic event that I still can't figure who or what was behind the attack, was it an inside job? Or a genuine terrorist attack? To me, it meant the world was never going to be the same ever again, today we still feel the effects of what happened with the rise of ISIS and constant war in the Middle East, the effects it has on our Economy. it's just one of those events that makes you wanna sleep. zzzz
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:50 pm

It was the day that started me down a long path of finally considering what patriotism and the responsibility of informed citizenship meant to me, and how they differed from nationalism and jingoism.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:51 pm

RichardJEW1 wrote:I was 1 years old when it happened so I don't remember any of that, but now, it's a truly tragic event that I still can't figure who or what was behind the attack, was it an inside job? Or a genuine terrorist attack? To me, it meant the world was never going to be the same ever again, today we still feel the effects of what happened with the rise of ISIS and constant war in the Middle East, the effects it has on our Economy. it's just one of those events that makes you wanna sleep. zzzz


Simple: It was a genuine terrorist attack.

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Postby Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:16 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Republic of Greater Cuba wrote:9/11 sadly does not mean much to me, I was though born on December on the same year. I have just always grown up in a war like environment or atmosphere, and I do see it clearly even though no members of my faily are currently serving in the military as of now. Seems like terrorist attacks are a everyday thing now

Someone born after the Sept 11 attacks is capable of forming coherent sentences on an internet forum? I feel so incredibly old right now.

Generalizing a whole age group, don't you think?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:32 am

Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Someone born after the Sept 11 attacks is capable of forming coherent sentences on an internet forum? I feel so incredibly old right now.

Generalizing a whole age group, don't you think?

>edgy


More of a realization, I think, of "Holy shit, how much time has passed, again? Enough for people to have actually grown up and joined in on the conversation?"

I felt much the same when I heard music I loved as a teenager being played at the grocery store for the first time.

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Postby A Wyatt Mann » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:46 am

Inside job.

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A Wyatt Mann wrote:Inside job.


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Postby A Wyatt Mann » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:55 am

Mattopilos wrote:
A Wyatt Mann wrote:Inside job.


Original.

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Postby Cerillium » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:06 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It was the day that started me down a long path of finally considering what patriotism and the responsibility of informed citizenship meant to me, and how they differed from nationalism and jingoism.

I wish more people understood the difference.
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Postby Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:10 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:Generalizing a whole age group, don't you think?

>edgy


More of a realization, I think, of "Holy shit, how much time has passed, again? Enough for people to have actually grown up and joined in on the conversation?"

I felt much the same when I heard music I loved as a teenager being played at the grocery store for the first time.

Ah, that makes more sense.
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Postby Mattopilos » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:51 am

Cerillium wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It was the day that started me down a long path of finally considering what patriotism and the responsibility of informed citizenship meant to me, and how they differed from nationalism and jingoism.

I wish more people understood the difference.


What would you say is the largest difference between patriotism and nationalism?
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Postby Ashlak » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:39 am

I was six years old when it happened. To me, it meant the government using it as an excuse to engage in shitty foreign policy decisions and to justify the erosion of our civil liberties.
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Postby Silverakia » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:45 am

I lived around the 9/11 attacks. When I learned about it, and watched the videos in my classroom, I was shocked and horrified to see that humans in general could do such things to each other. I could almost hear the crying when people scurried away, and the hopeless people on top of the buildings jumped, wishing to escape, escape from something. As the plane hit the building, I watched as it crumbled down.

With a wry thought, I thought that maybe there would be another attack, and that it was hopeless. And guess what? There was another attack? I hated myself for thinking of it, and I thought I was jinxing it.

But I think the worst part was comforting the parents and people who had lost what meant the most to them. I could never understand them. I had to hear their pain. Sobbing. Wailing. Screaming. Wishing it wasn't true. Maybe the people who were lost were out somewhere else. But it wasn't the case. They DIED.

I'll never forget this.

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:01 am

Mattopilos wrote:
Cerillium wrote:I wish more people understood the difference.


What would you say is the largest difference between patriotism and nationalism?

Nationalists have blind faith in the nation while patriots do not. Their faith and trust is qualified by what the government does and doesn't do.
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