Is heterosexual hook up culture fuelling rapes on campuses?

[Chessmistress]

First, some thoughts:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... t-journals

Excerpt:

Sex in hookup culture isn’t just casual, it’s aggressively slapdash, excluding not just love, but also fondness and sometimes even basic courtesy.

Hookup culture prevails, even though it serves only a minority of students, because cultures don’t reflect what is, but a specific group’s vision of what should be. The students who are most likely to qualify as enthusiasts are also more likely than other kinds of students to be affluent, able-bodied, white, conventionally attractive, heterosexual and male. These students know – whether consciously or not – that they can afford to take risks, protected by everything from social status to their parents’ pocketbooks.

Students who don’t carry these privileges, especially when they are disadvantaged in many different ways at once, are often pushed or pulled out of hooking up. One of my African American students, Jaslene, stated bluntly that hooking up isn’t “for black people”, referring specifically to a white standard of beauty for women that disadvantaged women like her in the erotic marketplace. She felt pushed out. Others pulled away. “Some of us with serious financial aid and grants,” said one of my students with an athletic scholarship, “tend to avoid high-risk situations”.

Hookup culture, then, isn’t what the majority of students want, it’s the privileging of the sexual lifestyle most strongly endorsed by those with the most power on campus, the same people we see privileged in every other part of American life.

Emphasis mine.

Also, the same author, Lisa Wade, a professor of sociology at Occidental College (and also author of the upcoming book about such issue "American Hookup: The New Culture of Sex on Campus")
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014 ... exism.html

Heterosexuality in the U.S. is gendered: women are expected to attract, men are supposed to be attracted. Men want, women want to be wanted. Metaphorically, this is a predator/prey type relationship. Women are subject to the hunt whether they like it or not, so men’s attention can be pleasing, annoying, or frightening. It all depends.

So, according author Lisa Wade, the widespread problem of violence against women through rape within campuses mainly spread from a strong sense of entitlement and unlimited power among affluent, heterosexual, white males, and that have strong ties with homophobia, too. Such sense of entitlement and unlimited power can (and often do) led to a predatory behavior.
Personally I fully agree with her idea, and I also think that the implementation of "yes-means-yes" policies, taking away from such dominant class a part of their perceived power, by requiring them to submit requests for each step they want to take, and requiring them to wait for a clear affirmative answer from the woman, can be part of the solution to the problem, though still not a complete, full, solution. In other words, though I'm pretty sure that "yes-means-yes" policies will prove to be very effective, I'm not sure that such policies will completely solve the issue, and I'm not sure about how could be a further step meant to further lower the huge number of sexual assualts and, more generally, violence against women with US campuses.

What do you think NSGs?
Is heterosexual hook up culture fuelling rapes on campuses?
Whatever you think it's so, or not, what could be, according you, the best solution to widespread rapes within campuses?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

[Greater Orensta]

No... But also yes? Maybe?
I'm kind of undecided on this one

[Chessmistress]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

Why?
The thread is absolutely polite and based on an article and ideas from a sociology professor, even a great Feminist I would add.

[Greater Orensta]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

Why?
The thread is absolutely polite and based on an article and ideas from a sociology professor, even a great Feminist I would add.

True, there is nothing of the nature of flaming or baiting, but he means views clashing can get out of hand

[Svebia]

Being on campus, and seeing first hand what happens on campus. I would have to say no, but I can't say for sure. Nobody knows what can and can't happen when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

[Ilnovryst]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

Why?
The thread is absolutely polite and based on an article and ideas from a sociology professor, even a great Feminist I would add.

This is NSG
NSG is naturally a shit storm that hit one thread after another

[FelrikTheDeleted]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

Why?
The thread is absolutely polite and based on an article and ideas from a sociology professor, even a great Feminist I would add.

It is a sensitive subject, these types of topics are going to generate anger and outrage either way, of course I was wrong to use inevitable, for now I will have to wait and see if this turns into a shit storm like I suggest it will, I might be right or I might be wrong.
While nothing is inflammatory as far as I can see, I think the clash of ideologies will turn this into a shit storm.

[Uxupox]

Obviously the only way to prevent rape is to segregate all males from the female population. Only this way we can prevent rape from ever occurring since homosexual rape is in fact a mythological occurrence.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Yeah it probably is to some extent, and not just in American universities, I would say it is a more widespread issue on university campuses, and beyond those to an extent.

Its certainly not the only feature, and I would imagine trying to crack down this hook up culture wouldn't prove very effective, possibly just make it seem even more rebellious and appealing. The best way forward would probably be to try ensure everyone is educated on the exact nature of rape, consent and other such features, that people are aware of who to report such crimes to if they or a friend is abused, that administrators, lecturers, etc have basic training in handling those confiding in them with tact and effectiveness and that cases are actually taken seriously, regardless of how rich and influential the rapist is.

Basic stuff really, but easier said than done given the way in which many dismiss rape accusations, blame the victims, are unable to handle people confiding in them properly or let the accused get off lightly if they are rich and important enough.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Yeah it probably is to some extent, and not just in American universities, I would say it is a more widespread issue on university campuses, and beyond those to an extent.

Its certainly not the only feature, and I would imagine trying to crack down this hook up culture wouldn't prove very effective, possibly just make it seem even more rebellious and appealing. The best way forward would probably be to try ensure everyone is educated on the exact nature of rape, consent and other such features, that people are aware of who to report such crimes to if they or a friend is abused, that administrators, lecturers, etc have basic training in handling those confiding in them with tact and effectiveness and that cases are actually taken seriously, regardless of how rich and influential the rapist is.

Basic stuff really, but easier said than done given the way in which many dismiss rape accusations, blame the victims, are unable to handle people confiding in them properly or let the accused get off lightly if they are rich and important enough.

In regards to your last paragraph; I suspect that the lack of trust in victims stems from the number of fake rapes that have been revealed, this by no means is a good reason to dismiss the report but we shouldn't believe it either. (Not to say you suggested that notion).

[Kerbodine]

Can we have statistics on just how bad rape is on college campuses? You and your sources make it sound like a widespread epidemic; is it?

I expressly want any statistics your authors have so I can better understand what viewpoint they're coming from.

[Constantinopolis]

A culture that encourages people to use others as objects for one's personal gratification, and which discourages emotional attachment and love, may have something to do with people deciding to use others as they please without bothering to ask for consent first?

That's shocking, shocking I tell you!

.......

But seriously, I agree with the OP and I think it's quite self-evident that a culture which encourages sex without attachment will also encourage rape.

[The Blaatschapen]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

Debate the points, rather than wishing the thread ill.

This contributes nothing, detracts from the original topic and is just spam. Knock it off.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

[Imperializt Russia]

Very interesting think-piece.

Friends who study in London, a city with a very diverse student-body population, seems to say that hookup culture there isn't only for whites - though his experience, as an overseas student, was largely with other overseas students.
So you can probably make the argument that it's a thing for wealthy students - but not exclusively white students.

That that is how it appears in the US is almost certainly an American problem of your race relations.

"Hookup culture", that is supposedly a culture in which people can go out, be up front and search for nothing but a fuck, doesn't fuel campus rape.
The entitled culture that is pervasive within a hookup culture and dominates it, fuels campus rape, if anything.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

And now we wait patiently for the inevitable shit storm.

Debate the points, rather than wishing the thread ill.

This contributes nothing, detracts from the original topic and is just spam. Knock it off.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

My apologies.

[Imperializt Russia]

Can we have statistics on just how bad rape is on college campuses? You and your sources make it sound like a widespread epidemic; is it?

I expressly want any statistics your authors have so I can better understand what viewpoint they're coming from.

Multiple studies of campus sexual assault suggest that, on the campuses surveyed and amongst the respondents they received, anywhere between one in four (~27%) and one in five (~19%) of women, during their time on campus, experience something that constitutes the legal definition of sexual assault or rape.

Either these figures are widely applicable to college campuses - and on average 23% of women on campuses will experience sexual assault or rape instances while at college and there is a substantial problem with rape on college campuses.
Or there is no particular problem with rape on college campuses - and instead, rape and sexual assault is more pervasive in society than we currently believe, with something in the region of 23% of women experiencing rape or sexual assault. It just so happens that this exact proportion, amongst college students, happens to experience it on college campus.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Yeah it probably is to some extent, and not just in American universities, I would say it is a more widespread issue on university campuses, and beyond those to an extent.

Its certainly not the only feature, and I would imagine trying to crack down this hook up culture wouldn't prove very effective, possibly just make it seem even more rebellious and appealing. The best way forward would probably be to try ensure everyone is educated on the exact nature of rape, consent and other such features, that people are aware of who to report such crimes to if they or a friend is abused, that administrators, lecturers, etc have basic training in handling those confiding in them with tact and effectiveness and that cases are actually taken seriously, regardless of how rich and influential the rapist is.

Basic stuff really, but easier said than done given the way in which many dismiss rape accusations, blame the victims, are unable to handle people confiding in them properly or let the accused get off lightly if they are rich and important enough.

In regards to your last paragraph; I suspect that the lack of trust in victims stems from the number of fake rapes that have been revealed, this by no means is a good reason to dismiss the report but we shouldn't believe it either. (Not to say you suggested that notion).

False rape accusations certainly do occur, but tend to be somewhat less common than many people assume, certainly far less than the number of actual cases forwarded given the severity of the accusation. Certainly when it comes to the courts someone is innocent until proven guilty, but in terms of basic support in the form of formal counselling from the university and general support from friends it is helpful that the person saying they have been raped is comforted assuming they are telling the truth.

Again, that doesn't mean any legal action should be taken against the accused until they are found guilty, but you can still try comfort and support the person that says they have been raped without a legal trial first.

[Esternial]

Dunno. It might be, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions just because of a hypothesis.

[Chessmistress]

But seriously, I agree with the OP and I think it's quite self-evident that a culture which encourages sex without attachment will also encourage rape.

Exactly, I think that it should be very clear that there's a link between casual sex and rape, and that's one of the main reasons, I think, why policies like "yes-means-yes" are absolutely needed, especially within campuses, but not just only within campuses, of course: such policies, taking away a good portion of the sense of unlimited power and entitlement of the potential rapists class, will be highly effective at reducing rapes.

[Imperializt Russia]

Also, wasn't hookup culture a homosexual thing before heteros got their hands on it?

[Shamhnan Insir]

Well to be honest when you combine both sexes in a close living, young hormone mecca, you invite all sorts of shit especially when you include alcohol. But that's been familiar since its creation.
To be honest the American culture of turning all colleges, universities, polyteckics et al into "the campus" is part of your problem. The ETH is trying something similar here in Zurich and its not a good environment for anyone involved.

Add to this the increasingly vacant and generally throwaway culture of our generation....

[Imperializt Russia]

But seriously, I agree with the OP and I think it's quite self-evident that a culture which encourages sex without attachment will also encourage rape.

Well, it's sometimes argued that there has always been a "hookup culture", and that women in the sixties or seventies were no less down to fuck than they supposedly are today.
Heteronormative, etc, blah.

Obviously today, we have systems for the purpose, and it's overt and out there - everyone's heard of it. It's not just a thing that happened anymore.

The issue is that sexual culture in the west is shit. Sexual liberation is here; sexual responsibility isn't yet.
Nothing about hookup culture inherently encourages rape, unless people who engage in hookup culture are so entitled to not understand basic concepts like respect, mutual enjoyment and consent. And those people absolutely exist.

Today's college students are raised by people who grew up in the more sexist attitudes present in the sixties (in my case) or seventies (for most new college students today). Soon, colleges will be full of people who were raised by parents who themselves grew up in a more progressive, sexually liberated age.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

In regards to your last paragraph; I suspect that the lack of trust in victims stems from the number of fake rapes that have been revealed, this by no means is a good reason to dismiss the report but we shouldn't believe it either. (Not to say you suggested that notion).

False rape accusations certainly do occur, but tend to be somewhat less common than many people assume, certainly far less than the number of actual cases forwarded given the severity of the accusation. Certainly when it comes to the courts someone is innocent until proven guilty, but in terms of basic support in the form of formal counselling from the university and general support from friends it is helpful that the person saying they have been raped is comforted assuming they are telling the truth.

Again, that doesn't mean any legal action should be taken against the accused until they are found guilty, but you can still try comfort and support the person that says they have been raped without a legal trial first.

Agreed.

[Diopolis]

You know, I'm actually agreeing with Chess here, although she left out the distorted standard of masculinity that idolizes playboyism(which is in reality rather effeminate) which is at least as much a factor.