The NFL Thread: 2018 Preseason

[Pope Joan]

Steelers are offering the most money ever for the position to their running back but he still isn't satisfied, it seems.

Weird world, when having the most is not enough.

[Idzequitch]

Steelers are offering the most money ever for the position to their running back but he still isn't satisfied, it seems.

Weird world, when having the most is not enough.

This. Precisely this. It's not as if they aren't willing to pay the man big time. They just didn't get up to the ridiculous number he wants. The amount they were willing to pay was already nuts. Dude just needs to take his ego down about 12 notches.

[Saint Ryvern]

He wanted $14.5 million a year. Is that a lot? Holy heck, yes it is (I didn't know it was that much). However, is he arguably the best player at the position? Maybe, certainly one of the most dynamic, game-affecting players. If you want an extremely talented player at a position where most teams need two players to find any sort of success you've got to be willing to pay up. But, the Steelers didn't want to do that, but they still wanted him to play for them; fair enough. Except now he's pissed because he's playing for a team that has shown it wants him at a rate lower than the one he finds acceptable. I don't like it when paid players sit, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

That’s more than most RB’s or WR’s in the NFL get paid per year.

And Bell is better than most other running backs and wide receivers. Funny how a player wants to be payed based on how good he is.

Steelers are offering the most money ever for the position to their running back but he still isn't satisfied, it seems.

Weird world, when having the most is not enough.

This. Precisely this. It's not as if they aren't willing to pay the man big time. They just didn't get up to the ridiculous number he wants. The amount they were willing to pay was already nuts. Dude just needs to take his ego down about 12 notches.

My thing is that if they’re not willing to pay him the amount he wants to play for their team they shouldn’t franchise tag him and force him to remain in an organization that (he feels) doesn’t appreciate him. Imagine quitting your job because you want more benefits, the company says no, you try to walk out, but then your employer has the ability to make you continue working for them. Yes, they offered him a lot of money, but Bell should be able to walk away if he wants to, not be shackled to an organization.

[Ranoria]

He wanted $14.5 million a year. Is that a lot? Holy heck, yes it is (I didn't know it was that much). However, is he arguably the best player at the position? Maybe, certainly one of the most dynamic, game-affecting players. If you want an extremely talented player at a position where most teams need two players to find any sort of success you've got to be willing to pay up. But, the Steelers didn't want to do that, but they still wanted him to play for them; fair enough. Except now he's pissed because he's playing for a team that has shown it wants him at a rate lower than the one he finds acceptable. I don't like it when paid players sit, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

That’s more than most RB’s or WR’s in the NFL get paid per year.

Lumi the is Leveon frikkin Bell. He's a top 3 back, in my opinion the best back, in the NFL.

Personally, I say offer him a short, 2-3 year deal with the money he wants. If he doesn't take it, alright, bye, or don't give him a ton of guaranteed money past those 2-3 years.

[Jerzylvania]

LeVeon Bell reportedly may sit out for half the season, and his agent says it's probably his last season as a Steeler.

It would be a shame to lose that kind of talent. Make no mistake, this guy is really, really good. But his head is about the size of a mid-sized planet right now. At least he's made it clear it's all about the money. If you're sitting out when it counts, you're not really a true competitor. Thanks for your contributions guy, but you've overstayed your welcome.

Damn right. The guy is in Terrell Owens territory now.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

LeVeon Bell reportedly may sit out for half the season, and his agent says it's probably his last season as a Steeler.

It would be a shame to lose that kind of talent. Make no mistake, this guy is really, really good. But his head is about the size of a mid-sized planet right now. At least he's made it clear it's all about the money. If you're sitting out when it counts, you're not really a true competitor. Thanks for your contributions guy, but you've overstayed your welcome.

Damn right. The guy is in Terrell Owens territory now.

Hopefully this will be the end of the franchise tag.

[Luminesa]

That’s more than most RB’s or WR’s in the NFL get paid per year.

Lumi the is Leveon frikkin Bell. He's a top 3 back, in my opinion the best back, in the NFL.

Personally, I say offer him a short, 2-3 year deal with the money he wants. If he doesn't take it, alright, bye, or don't give him a ton of guaranteed money past those 2-3 years.

Problem is the Steelers need to pay for a defensive line.

[Freezic Vast]

I just want to end that AFC North dominance of the Steelers to end.

[Farnhamia]

Lumi the is Leveon frikkin Bell. He's a top 3 back, in my opinion the best back, in the NFL.

Personally, I say offer him a short, 2-3 year deal with the money he wants. If he doesn't take it, alright, bye, or don't give him a ton of guaranteed money past those 2-3 years.

Problem is the Steelers need to pay for a defensive line.

If they figure that out, that's the end of affordable tickets of any kind.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Lumi the is Leveon frikkin Bell. He's a top 3 back, in my opinion the best back, in the NFL.

Personally, I say offer him a short, 2-3 year deal with the money he wants. If he doesn't take it, alright, bye, or don't give him a ton of guaranteed money past those 2-3 years.

Problem is the Steelers need to pay for a defensive line.

Well you can't have everything, it's unreasonable to expect to have amazing guys at every position.

[Ranoria]

Lumi the is Leveon frikkin Bell. He's a top 3 back, in my opinion the best back, in the NFL.

Personally, I say offer him a short, 2-3 year deal with the money he wants. If he doesn't take it, alright, bye, or don't give him a ton of guaranteed money past those 2-3 years.

Problem is the Steelers need to pay for a defensive line.

Heyward and Tuitt, their two top guys on the interior, are under contract through 2021 and 2022, respectively, while Javon Hargrave was selected in 2016, so they have him through 2018. Those three are all very strong, run stuffing-pocket pushers, and Heyward turned into a sack machine on the interior last season. 12 sacks? That's insane from his position. They do need to find a solid edge rusher though.

[Jerzylvania]

I just want to end that AFC North dominance of the Steelers to end.

The Steelers offense carries the whole team. Once that goes they won't dominate anybody.... and remember Bell is about half the offense.

[Ameriganastan]

Oh boy. Jim Kelly had 'Something come up' his last doctor visit and he's getting the Jimmy V award. Getting that thing is never a good sign.

[Outer Sparta]

I just want to end that AFC North dominance of the Steelers to end.

The Steelers offense carries the whole team. Once that goes they won't dominate anybody.... and remember Bell is about half the offense.

Bell, Brown, Ben, they can't afford to have them be injured.

[Luminesa]

Oh boy. Jim Kelly had 'Something come up' his last doctor visit and he's getting the Jimmy V award. Getting that thing is never a good sign.

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[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Bell should be happy he's getting paid $14.5 million/year. It's lot more money than most other WRs and RBs in the league, and it's not like Steelers is a bush league organisation like some teams in the league (Bengals anyone?).

Bell needs to suck it up and stop being a whiny little baby. True Steelers' franchise stars don't do that- Hines Ward didn't go up and be a crybaby, nor did Polamalu.

Problem is the Steelers need to pay for a defensive line.

Heyward and Tuitt, their two top guys on the interior, are under contract through 2021 and 2022, respectively, while Javon Hargrave was selected in 2016, so they have him through 2018. Those three are all very strong, run stuffing-pocket pushers, and Heyward turned into a sack machine on the interior last season. 12 sacks? That's insane from his position. They do need to find a solid edge rusher though.

They need more linebackers than anything, esp. since that crying baby Harrison left for Cheatriots and Shazier got injured by none other than a bunch of irrelevant thugs in Bengals.

Their DL I haven't been concerned about for last few years, so it's LBs and definitely defensive backs they need to improve on.

[Ranoria]

Bell should be happy he's getting paid $14.5 million/year. It's lot more money than most other WRs and RBs in the league, and it's not like Steelers is a bush league organisation like some teams in the league (Bengals anyone?).

Bell needs to suck it up and stop being a whiny little baby. True Steelers' franchise stars don't do that- Hines Ward didn't go up and be a crybaby, nor did Polamalu.

Heyward and Tuitt, their two top guys on the interior, are under contract through 2021 and 2022, respectively, while Javon Hargrave was selected in 2016, so they have him through 2018. Those three are all very strong, run stuffing-pocket pushers, and Heyward turned into a sack machine on the interior last season. 12 sacks? That's insane from his position. They do need to find a solid edge rusher though.

They need more linebackers than anything, esp. since that crying baby Harrison left for Cheatriots and Shazier got injured by none other than a bunch of irrelevant thugs in Bengals.

Their DL I haven't been concerned about for last few years, so it's LBs and definitely defensive backs they need to improve on.

Well, to be fair, I said they need an edge rusher, and Harrison WAS an edge rusher, make no mistake there. Shazier getting hurt did seriously set them back though, you're right, but honestly I think they're fine at corner. They should invest in a quality backup, but Jo Haden's a stud, and Artie Burns is getting better from what I've seen. A playmaking safety would be nice, but that's about all I think they could use in terms of the secondary.

[Ameriganastan]

Revis is done.

[Pope Joan]

Problem is the Steelers need to pay for a defensive line.

Well you can't have everything, it's unreasonable to expect to have amazing guys at every position.

The Beaver Valley of Western PA is a hotbed of young talent. Grab some of the guys who went to high school in Farrell or Monessen or Aliquippa.

[Jerzylvania]

Revis is done.

Better to resign than take the field and embarrass yourself. Revis already got his $$$. It's a smart move. He's got nothing really left to prove as a CB in the NFL.

[Ranoria]

Question: Who's the better player? Von Miller or Khalil Mack?

Honestly, as a pure edge rusher, I say Von Miller. He consistently beats out Mack in terms of sacks, and while an argument could be made that 'he has a bunch of time' to get those sacks due to the secondary, that's not Miller's game. He's a speed rusher. As a coverage man, I would say Von. But despite all this, I would take Khalil Mack over Von, call me crazy.

Well, for one, Mack does get about 15 more tackles on a yearly basis than Miller, but that's not huge. I think, to me, just the eye test, Mack is the better player. Don't get me wrong, Von Miller looks amazing, too, but when I watch Von, if he gets caught by the OL, he seems to have trouble shaking them. Mack, it doesn't matter, he's just so freakishly strong, and he he disrupts every play, run or pass, that he's in it seems like. I remember watching them play Tennessee week 1 of 2017 and Mack beat Jack Conklin (who was coing off an All Pro rookie campaign) a half dozen times to the inside. It was absurd.

Opinions, comments, etc?

[Ameriganastan]

Question: Who's the better player? Von Miller or Khalil Mack?

Honestly, as a pure edge rusher, I say Von Miller. He consistently beats out Mack in terms of sacks, and while an argument could be made that 'he has a bunch of time' to get those sacks due to the secondary, that's not Miller's game. He's a speed rusher. As a coverage man, I would say Von. But despite all this, I would take Khalil Mack over Von, call me crazy.

Well, for one, Mack does get about 15 more tackles on a yearly basis than Miller, but that's not huge. I think, to me, just the eye test, Mack is the better player. Don't get me wrong, Von Miller looks amazing, too, but when I watch Von, if he gets caught by the OL, he seems to have trouble shaking them. Mack, it doesn't matter, he's just so freakishly strong, and he he disrupts every play, run or pass, that he's in it seems like. I remember watching them play Tennessee week 1 of 2017 and Mack beat Jack Conklin (who was coing off an All Pro rookie campaign) a half dozen times to the inside. It was absurd.

Opinions, comments, etc?

Von Miller cause he's a Bronco.

[Ranoria]

Question: Who's the better player? Von Miller or Khalil Mack?

Honestly, as a pure edge rusher, I say Von Miller. He consistently beats out Mack in terms of sacks, and while an argument could be made that 'he has a bunch of time' to get those sacks due to the secondary, that's not Miller's game. He's a speed rusher. As a coverage man, I would say Von. But despite all this, I would take Khalil Mack over Von, call me crazy.

Well, for one, Mack does get about 15 more tackles on a yearly basis than Miller, but that's not huge. I think, to me, just the eye test, Mack is the better player. Don't get me wrong, Von Miller looks amazing, too, but when I watch Von, if he gets caught by the OL, he seems to have trouble shaking them. Mack, it doesn't matter, he's just so freakishly strong, and he he disrupts every play, run or pass, that he's in it seems like. I remember watching them play Tennessee week 1 of 2017 and Mack beat Jack Conklin (who was coing off an All Pro rookie campaign) a half dozen times to the inside. It was absurd.

Opinions, comments, etc?

Von Miller cause he's a Bronco.

Should've started with the Colts, then left with Manning tho frl. Then he, too, would be a GOAT

In all reality though, I'm saying that guy wins gets to 100.5 sacks this season. He's racking up 17.

[Ko-oren]

I just want the AFC to be fun to watch. I've been a fan (of an NFC team, but I follow the entire league) for a few years, but I rarely have had the urge to watch an AFC team versus an AFC team when I can't watch my favourite team. Half the conference doesn't matter, and eventually the entire AFC side of the playoffs comes down to 'who gets to be beaten by the Patriots this year'. And that's not a complaint about the Patriots at all, they've found a way to be this dominant in a league that favours parity, and that's an amazing feat. Just... please make other AFC teams as competitive, or at least make the AFC worth to watch again. It's come to the point where I just don't care about the AFC at all, and that's a shame, because the Jaguars, Titans, Texans, Chargers, Chiefs, Steelers, and Ravens are seriously fun teams. I hope the Steelers can challenge the Patriots, and the Jaguars or Texans can get there consistently as well.

Which NFC team is yours? Does it happen to be the Vikings?

I know it's from a page ago, but no, it's not the Vikings. You got the division right though.

[Ameriganastan]

Which NFC team is yours? Does it happen to be the Vikings?

I know it's from a page ago, but no, it's not the Vikings. You got the division right though.

The green on your flag makes me assume it's the Packers?