The NFL Thread: 2018 Preseason

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4-1057...

TOM BRADY GIVES NO CRUDS ABOUT YOUR ODDS OR VEGAS.

OH MY GOSH. THIS MAKES IT EVEN BETTER. WHAT THE FLIP.

For some popcorn time, here are the other four five 25+ point comebacks (so the correct figure is 5-1057 until LI):

32 points: Buffalo vs Houston, AFC Wildcard (1992 playoffs)
28 points: San Fran vs New Orleans (1980 regular season)
26 points: Buffalo vs Indianapolis (1997 regular season—fun fact: Jim Harbaugh was the Colts' quarterback)
25 points: St Louis (Cardinals) vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1987 regular season)
25 points (2): Cleveland @ Tennessee (2014 regular season, biggest road comeback in league history)

My favorite has to be the Buffalo vs Houston game. What a damn game that was. The stories of fans scrambling to get back into the stadium always crack me up.

Absolutely splendid.

[Baltimore-Ravens]

But let's not kid ourselves. The fact that Brady had 62 pass attempts in that Super Bowl guarantees it'll be the bulk of his highlights when he gets his first-ballot HoF induction as soon as it's allowed.

He practically won that game on his own. Sure, there were other factors, but mounting such a comeback is impossible without the quarterback stepping up and having the game of a lifetime, and who better than Tom Brady to ask that of?

I also figured out, incidentally, the formula behind the win% number ESPN adds in game views. 99.6% of the time a team is down by 25 points, they lose the game. Prior to the Super Bowl teams behind by that margin at any point in the game were 4-1057 in overall NFL play history.

I agree that Brady did play a huge role in it, and that his highlights will probably feature plenty of plays from that SB come his time in Canton (2023 or 2024), but Atlanta also making critical mistakes in 2nd half helped. Their defence collapsed and offence dissipated into the thin air come 2nd half.

I'm also giving a huge credit to Brady for being a huge part of that Super Bowl win. 62 pass attempts and doing well (especially with running game stuffed so no complementary offence really), or heck getting more on fire and fire come every passing quarter? Hey, that is a first-ballot worthy effort. Very few QBs do that and they're all in the consideration for best QBs (Montana did plenty at Notre Dame and obviously he's won many SBs, Manning did make many comebacks on his half and Brady obviously has the same reason).

But he's not the most dominant factor behind it I feel; Atlanta just having a WTF, Atlanta-esque collapse played big role as well. Especially because you don't see leads that big get overturned.

ESPECIALLY.

The one I recall that went this comparable in fashion once before that was 2006 AFC Championship Game between Indy and NE. Indy was trailing by 21 at halftime, then won by 4 due to splendid performance by Manning and Indy surprisingly was able to play defence for once. Who knew that NE defence would go down like that? A huge collapse on their behalf as well.

Now, before I head to bed....I just have one question to say. Why the hell didn't Brady get the Super Bowl MVP?

He threw a pick 6 that contributed 25% of Atlanta's score. I have to agree with your response to Ark, thanks for posting it, saved me a lot of work.

[Baltimore-Ravens]

If Peyton Manning wasn't such a choker in the big games, he probably wouldn't.

Blasphemy.

Oh boo-hoo!

[Baltimore-Ravens]

This is just speculation on my part, but, it seems most, if not all people, are talking about Atlanta folding in the second half, but I feel that the breakdown really began at the end of the half, three defensive off side penalties (ie. three first downs) on the final drive giving the Pats field goal range and getting them on the board (three points is three points). IMO that must have affected the Bird's and Pat's locker rooms at the half, could the momentum not have shifted, as completely, had the Pats not been able to score prior to the half? Just wondering what some others feel about this theory...

As I recall, the Pats got inside the Atlanta ten yard line and then were driven backwards and had to settle for the FG late in the last minute of the half. If the Falcons had given up a TD, then you'd have something ...but they didn't. The collapse began around the middle of the 3rd quarter after the Falcons put up another TD to make it 28-3. The coaching staff seemed to become unglued at the prospects of winning at that point. Maybe they began daydreaming about it. It was a perfect storm for the Pats after that point.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

There, there. Calm down. Nobody wants you to die of heart attack from orgasmo

Orgasm? Nah. Dying of laughter? Absolutely.

Your overuse of emoticons and capitalised letters suggested me that you're under one

I agree that Brady did play a huge role in it, and that his highlights will probably feature plenty of plays from that SB come his time in Canton (2023 or 2024), but Atlanta also making critical mistakes in 2nd half helped. Their defence collapsed and offence dissipated into the thin air come 2nd half.

I'm also giving a huge credit to Brady for being a huge part of that Super Bowl win. 62 pass attempts and doing well (especially with running game stuffed so no complementary offence really), or heck getting more on fire and fire come every passing quarter? Hey, that is a first-ballot worthy effort. Very few QBs do that and they're all in the consideration for best QBs (Montana did plenty at Notre Dame and obviously he's won many SBs, Manning did make many comebacks on his half and Brady obviously has the same reason).

But he's not the most dominant factor behind it I feel; Atlanta just having a WTF, Atlanta-esque collapse played big role as well. Especially because you don't see leads that big get overturned.

ESPECIALLY.

The one I recall that went this comparable in fashion once before that was 2006 AFC Championship Game between Indy and NE. Indy was trailing by 21 at halftime, then won by 4 due to splendid performance by Manning and Indy surprisingly was able to play defence for once. Who knew that NE defence would go down like that? A huge collapse on their behalf as well.

Now, before I head to bed....I just have one question to say. Why the hell didn't Brady get the Super Bowl MVP?

He threw a pick 6 that contributed 25% of Atlanta's score. I have to agree with your response to Ark, thanks for posting it, saved me a lot of work.

No problem. I like saving others from overwork

[Cymrea]

Happy Valentine's Day, Patriot Nation.

[Baltimore-Ravens]

Happy Valentine's Day, Patriot Nation.

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[Outer Sparta]

But let's not kid ourselves. The fact that Brady had 62 pass attempts in that Super Bowl guarantees it'll be the bulk of his highlights when he gets his first-ballot HoF induction as soon as it's allowed.

He practically won that game on his own. Sure, there were other factors, but mounting such a comeback is impossible without the quarterback stepping up and having thegame of a lifetime, and who better than Tom Brady to ask that of?

I also figured out, incidentally, the formula behind the win% number ESPN adds in game views. 99.6% of the time a team is down by 25 points, they lose the game. Prior to the Super Bowl teams behind by that margin at any point in the game were 4-1057 in overall NFL play history.

4-1057...

TOM BRADY GIVES NO CRUDS ABOUT YOUR ODDS OR VEGAS.

OH MY GOSH. THIS MAKES IT EVEN BETTER. WHAT THE FLIP.

Make that 6-1057.

[GreatestBanks]

Happy Valentines Day fellow Patriots

[Ranoria]

You know what would be interesting?

The CHiefs/Falcons running wildcat with Tyreek/Julio or Taylor Gabriel.

Gabriel is a former Brown.

I know. Browns are my 2nd team.

Gabriel is a former Brown.

Antonio is a Brown. Just not a member of the Browns franchise

http://www.espn.com/college-football/pl ... 6/aj-brown

This kid's going to be the greatest reciever of all time. He might win the Heisman his jr/sr season, depending on how smart Ole Miss uses him, and he will put up 1,800 yard, 12 TD seasons regularly, with a 2,000 yard season sprinkled in from time to time.

How do I know? He's the fusion of Antonio Brown and AJ Green. What could possibly go wrong with that? He's also right between the two of them height wise.

EDIT
SPEAKING OF ANTONIO BROWN

He wants to be traded apparently.

*adds to list of recievers that could potentially make Titan offense unstoppable*
Alshon Jeffrey, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, Terelle Pryor, Kenny Stills.

Also the Titans should sign Sam Shields to a one year deal for a meh amount of money, or a good amount if there are other bidders. Still think we should grab Stephon Gilmore in FA tho.

[Empire of Cats]

Gabriel is a former Brown.

I know. Browns are my 2nd team.

Antonio is a Brown. Just not a member of the Browns franchise

http://www.espn.com/college-football/pl ... 6/aj-brown

This kid's going to be the greatest reciever of all time. He might win the Heisman his jr/sr season, depending on how smart Ole Miss uses him, and he will put up 1,800 yard, 12 TD seasons regularly, with a 2,000 yard season sprinkled in from time to time.

How do I know? He's the fusion of Antonio Brown and AJ Green. What could possibly go wrong with that? He's also right between the two of them height wise.

EDIT
SPEAKING OF ANTONIO BROWN

He wants to be traded apparently.

*adds to list of recievers that could potentially make Titan offense unstoppable*
Alshon Jeffrey, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, Terelle Pryor, Kenny Stills.

Also the Titans should sign Sam Shields to a one year deal for a meh amount of money, or a good amount if there are other bidders. Still think we should grab Stephon Gilmore in FA tho.

Dangit! The Dawg Pound and the Music City Miracle gang just took Antonio Brown before I could open my mouth. Darn.

Trade ya?

[Republic of Tacos]

I put this in TET by mistake.

Too suggestive?

[Idzequitch]

Upon doing some Google research, it seems that there have been inquiries regarding Brown's trade availability, which were immediately rebuffed by the Steelers. I can find no reputable news sites reporting that Brown is seeking a trade.

Actually, I'm seeing the opposite. Brown said a couple weeks ago that he wants to be a Steeler for life.

[Republic of Tacos]

Upon doing some Google research, it seems that there have been inquiries regarding Brown's trade availability, which were immediately rebuffed by the Steelers. I can find no reputable news sites reporting that Brown is seeking a trade.

Actually, I'm seeing the opposite. Brown said a couple weeks ago that he wants to be a Steeler for life.

Shush! We don't want to kill the dream.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Upon doing some Google research, it seems that there have been inquiries regarding Brown's trade availability, which were immediately rebuffed by the Steelers. I can find no reputable news sites reporting that Brown is seeking a trade.

Actually, I'm seeing the opposite. Brown said a couple weeks ago that he wants to be a Steeler for life.

Yeah, I definitely didn't see those coming....

And it's not like Steelers have a lot of great WRs ending their tenures early from them either. Both Stallworth and Swann played their entire playing career with Steelers, and so did Hines Ward.....and that makes it top 3 receivers in Steelers history.

If Antonio Brown wants to challenge the claim as the best receiver in Steelers history, he should stay with the Steelers and try to earn a couple of rings. I could see him stay a Steeler for life, by all means.

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Happy Valentines Day fellow Patriots

XD

[Luminesa]

Happy Valentine's Day, Patriot Nation.

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I love it. ^w^

[GreatestBanks]

Upon doing some Google research, it seems that there have been inquiries regarding Brown's trade availability, which were immediately rebuffed by the Steelers. I can find no reputable news sites reporting that Brown is seeking a trade.

Actually, I'm seeing the opposite. Brown said a couple weeks ago that he wants to be a Steeler for life.

Ditto on this. Almost everything I've seen from google shows that the Steelers have rejected any rumors of a Brown trade. Antonio Brown is one of their best players and the Steelers will certainly want him around.

[GreatestBanks]

Speaking of trades, Jimmy Garoppolo, one of the bigger stories of this offseason.

As we all have heard by now, he played in 1 and 1/2 games and was injured against the Miami Dolphins. He's thrown 90-something passes with no interceptions.

Rumors range from obtaining a 1st round pick for him to 3rd or 2nd rounders. Is he worth that much? How much is Garoppolo worth?

Imo, he has a good chance of being the product of the "Patriot Way." He may just be good due to the system that he has been placed in. In his two games, he was surrounded by a legendary coach, great system, and great players.

Belichick would only trade up in value. I don't think the Patriots will let go of Jimmy if he is truly a franchise quarterback.

[Republic of Tacos]

Speaking of trades, Jimmy Garoppolo, one of the bigger stories of this offseason.

As we all have heard by now, he played in 1 and 1/2 games and was injured against the Miami Dolphins. He's thrown 90-something passes with no interceptions.

Rumors range from obtaining a 1st round pick for him to 3rd or 2nd rounders. Is he worth that much? How much is Garoppolo worth?

Imo, he has a good chance of being the product of the "Patriot Way." He may just be good due to the system that he has been placed in. In his two games, he was surrounded by a legendary coach, great system, and great players.

Belichick would only trade up in value. I don't think the Patriots will let go of Jimmy if he is truly a franchise quarterback.

I wouldn't get rid of him. Ole' Terrific Tom is wearing out.

[Idzequitch]

I find it funny, the people who seem to think Brown's behavior is some sort of huge problem. Look, yes, the FB Live thing was ill-advised. But other than that, I mostly just see a guy who likes to have fun, doing his best to have fun, despite the league mandate that no fun should ever be had.

Seriously, do you a remember the likes of Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson/Ochocinco? Brown's "distractions" are literally nothing compared to those two. Even compared to Dez Bryant or Odell Beckham's issues, I'd far rather have Brown's. And the guy is, honestly, the best WR in football right now. If that kind of talent is accompanied by a few minor shenanigans, I'll take that every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

I find it funny, the people who seem to think Brown's behavior is some sort of huge problem. Look, yes, the FB Live thing was ill-advised. But other than that, I mostly just see a guy who likes to have fun, doing his best to have fun, despite the league mandate that no fun should ever be had.

Seriously, do you a remember the likes of Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson/Ochocinco? Brown's "distractions" are literally nothing compared to those two. Even compared to Dez Bryant or Odell Beckham's issues, I'd far rather have Brown's. And the guy is, honestly, the best WR in football right now. If that kind of talent is accompanied by a few minor shenanigans, I'll take that every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Exactly. Interesting tastes are obviously different to some of the issues some receivers have or had.

Antonio Brown's twerks, hairstyle and having 4 or 5 kids ain't that crazy given that Brown is a hard-working player who wants to stay in Pittsburgh. We've seen that with Hines Ward and Shannon Sharpe, so respect has to be given. A bit harder to do that with TO and Ochocinco.

Obviously it's not like his personal lives will be squeaky clean like Jerry Rice or Rod Smith but hey, he's not a headcase.

[Outer Sparta]

I find it funny, the people who seem to think Brown's behavior is some sort of huge problem. Look, yes, the FB Live thing was ill-advised. But other than that, I mostly just see a guy who likes to have fun, doing his best to have fun, despite the league mandate that no fun should ever be had.

Seriously, do you a remember the likes of Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson/Ochocinco? Brown's "distractions" are literally nothing compared to those two. Even compared to Dez Bryant or Odell Beckham's issues, I'd far rather have Brown's. And the guy is, honestly, the best WR in football right now. If that kind of talent is accompanied by a few minor shenanigans, I'll take that every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

He filmed Mike Tomlin insulting the Patriots, which wasn't his fault. It's Mike Tomlin's for making those comments on a press conference. Couldn't he have kept it to himself?

[Ranoria]

Upon doing some Google research, it seems that there have been inquiries regarding Brown's trade availability, which were immediately rebuffed by the Steelers. I can find no reputable news sites reporting that Brown is seeking a trade.

Actually, I'm seeing the opposite. Brown said a couple weeks ago that he wants to be a Steeler for life.

Hm. You're right. I heard it on the XM NFL Network channel. Dammit I was fantasizing Mariota having Brown as #1 WR, Delanie at TE, Rishard Matthews as an above average #2, then Tajae Sharpe and Demarco. XD

[New Serrland]

Speaking of trades, Jimmy Garoppolo, one of the bigger stories of this offseason.

As we all have heard by now, he played in 1 and 1/2 games and was injured against the Miami Dolphins. He's thrown 90-something passes with no interceptions.

Rumors range from obtaining a 1st round pick for him to 3rd or 2nd rounders. Is he worth that much? How much is Garoppolo worth?

Imo, he has a good chance of being the product of the "Patriot Way." He may just be good due to the system that he has been placed in. In his two games, he was surrounded by a legendary coach, great system, and great players.

Belichick would only trade up in value. I don't think the Patriots will let go of Jimmy if he is truly a franchise quarterback.

At his age Brady is only an injury away from his career being over. I can't see Bill trading Jimmy G.

I think it would be fair for there to be concern about this being a Matt Cassel v2.0 situation too - a product of a system.

I think Jimmy will be a Pat come the start of the season.

And this coming from a born and raised Bears fan (one of the teams often talked about as a destination for Garoppolo)