The NFL Thread: 2018 Preseason

by **Tiami** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:39 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tiami wrote:Grew up in Atlanta, born a Patriot, love the Falcons. Why do the football gods torture me?

Win-win, really. Or lose-lose, but who wants to see it like that?

Lose-lose. Only way that could be worse is if they smited me.

That being said, I think the Patriots will win 31-28. I just don't think Atlantas defense is good enough to stop Tom Brady and his offense.

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:12 am

Tiami wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Win-win, really. Or lose-lose, but who wants to see it like that?

Lose-lose. Only way that could be worse is if they smited me.

That being said, I think the Patriots will win 31-28. I just don't think Atlantas defense is good enough to stop Tom Brady and his offense.

If the Falcons defense harasses Brady like they did Rodgers (who is quite mobile), it's gonna be a long day for Tommy Boy.

by **Tiami** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:38 am

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Tiami wrote:Lose-lose. Only way that could be worse is if they smited me.

That being said, I think the Patriots will win 31-28. I just don't think Atlantas defense is good enough to stop Tom Brady and his offense.

If the Falcons defense harasses Brady like they did Rodgers (who is quite mobile), it's gonna be a long day for Tommy Boy.

Tom Brady doesn't hold the ball like Rodgers either. If Vic and company can get to him consistently, sure, Falcons are taking home the Lombardi, but that's an 'if.' Remember what happened last time the top scoring defense played the top scoring offense in the Super Bowl? Seattle beat Denver 43-8.

by **Trumpostan** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:49 am

I think our O lines up better against their D than vice versa. Key will be to get an early lead which will force Atlanta to get a little more risky early on.
But they probably won't be copying the Pittsburgh Bumblebees and their zone D.

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:16 pm

Tiami wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
If the Falcons defense harasses Brady like they did Rodgers (who is quite mobile), it's gonna be a long day for Tommy Boy.

Tom Brady doesn't hold the ball like Rodgers either. If Vic and company can get to him consistently, sure, Falcons are taking home the Lombardi, but that's an 'if.' Remember what happened last time the top scoring defense played the top scoring offense in the Super Bowl? Seattle beat Denver 43-8.

Old man Manning at QB in the cold weather is what I remember. Plus if you think the Pats D is akin to the 2013 Legion of Boom, well, I have to say it's really not all that. That D was awesome.
Falcons have better team speed which is gonna be a factor. Meanwhile on offense Matt Ryan will keep doing his thing and he has better receivers on the whole to do it with.

by **Tiami** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:53 pm

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Tiami wrote:Tom Brady doesn't hold the ball like Rodgers either. If Vic and company can get to him consistently, sure, Falcons are taking home the Lombardi, but that's an 'if.' Remember what happened last time the top scoring defense played the top scoring offense in the Super Bowl? Seattle beat Denver 43-8.

Old man Manning at QB in the cold weather is what I remember. Plus if you think the Pats D is akin to the 2013 Legion of Boom, well, I have to say it's really not all that. That D was awesome.
Falcons have better team speed which is gonna be a factor. Meanwhile on offense Matt Ryan will keep doing his thing and he has better receivers on the whole to do it with.

Historically, the number one scoring offense has fallen against the number one scoring defense in the big game.

Offense may get you to the Super Bowl, but defense wins championships.

by **Luminesa** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:01 pm

Tiami wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Old man Manning at QB in the cold weather is what I remember. Plus if you think the Pats D is akin to the 2013 Legion of Boom, well, I have to say it's really not all that. That D was awesome.
Falcons have better team speed which is gonna be a factor. Meanwhile on offense Matt Ryan will keep doing his thing and he has better receivers on the whole to do it with.

Historically, the number one scoring offense has fallen against the number one scoring defense in the big game.
Offense may get you to the Super Bowl, but defense wins championships.

^This. Every single time.

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:47 pm

Tiami wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Old man Manning at QB in the cold weather is what I remember. Plus if you think the Pats D is akin to the 2013 Legion of Boom, well, I have to say it's really not all that. That D was awesome.
Falcons have better team speed which is gonna be a factor. Meanwhile on offense Matt Ryan will keep doing his thing and he has better receivers on the whole to do it with.

Historically, the number one scoring offense has fallen against the number one scoring defense in the big game.
Offense may get you to the Super Bowl, but defense wins championships.

Sorry Tiami, but that's not the entire story! Seven games fall into this category.

I guess you'd want to forget SB XXIV, the greatest slaughter EVER in SB History which was inflicted upon the #1 defense in the league.
Joe Montana has 5 TD passes. The #1 Offense, 49er's 55-10, over Denver's #1 Defense. :lol:

One of those games was Scott Norwood missed FG win for the NY Giants 20-19 in SB XXVI. Difference in the game was a kick that went wide by a foot. Happenstance.
SB XIII was another close game, Steelers over the Cowboys 35-31. Top D gave up 31 that day, but they did indeed lose a close one aided by a circus catch by Lynn Swann.
Another was SB I which the stats are probably not accurate as the AFL Chiefs never played a game in the NFL. Those are AFL rankings. So toss that one out of the pile as a comparison of apples and oranges.

So, it's not really some ominous overpowering statistic, especially considering the 55-10 beatdown. That being said, it's surely better to be on your statistical side of it. But let's face it, New England's D just isn't up there with those #1 defenses that beat #1 offenses. They aren't the 1991 Giants or the 1970s Steelers and especially not the Legion of Boom. OTOH, Atlanta's offense just might be good enough to put up enough points to beat the Pats so I don't have to shut up, lol. We'll see.

Luminesa wrote:
Tiami wrote:Historically, the number one scoring offense has fallen against the number one scoring defense in the big game.
Offense may get you to the Super Bowl, but defense wins championships.

^This. Every single time.

Actually, not every single time Lum. ^See above.

by **Partybus** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:30 pm

I have decided to set myself up for a win-win situation for Super 51.

As a Pats fan, I obviously want them to win, and think they will too.

But, I am also working on convincing myself that I would be quite happy if the Birds take their first ever...

so, win-win...sort of...

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Partybus wrote:I have decided to set myself up for a win-win situation for Super 51.

As a Pats fan, I obviously want them to win, and think they will too.

But, I am also working on convincing myself that I would be quite happy if the Birds take their first ever...

so, win-win...sort of...

Smart thinking and very unselfish, kudos.

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

by **Collatis** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:22 pm

Let's go Falcons!

However, I suspect the Pats will win. I can only hope I'm wrong.

by **Kohr** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:24 pm

Collatis wrote:Let's go Falcons!

However, I suspect the Pats will win. I can only hope I'm wrong.

These are my feelings are well.

by **Outer Sparta** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:52 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tiami wrote:Historically, the number one scoring offense has fallen against the number one scoring defense in the big game.
Offense may get you to the Super Bowl, but defense wins championships.

^This. Every single time.

The Falcons D looks suspect, so they have to rely on Matt Ryan to throw 500+ yards to Julio Jones. Otherwise, the Brady Brunch looks to feast.

by **Luminesa** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:23 pm

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

WHERE IS DREW BREES?! Y U NO PUT HIM ON LIST?! XD

by **Ranoria** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:37 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

WHERE IS DREW BREES?! Y U NO PUT HIM ON LIST?! XD

288 yards and 2 TDs. He had a very good game. Not an all time performance like Jerry Rice breaking the single game receiving yards record.

I think his claim would be more to the season he had to get them there as well as really the heroism aspect of bringing a franchise that had struggled beforehand its first super bowl championship.

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

WHERE IS DREW BREES?! Y U NO PUT HIM ON LIST?! XD

IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE LINK WHICH SHOWS ALL 50 SUPER BOWL MVPS RANKED, YOU WOULD SEE DREW BREES AT NUMBER 11 WHICH IS PRETTY DECENT.

by **Ranoria** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:52 pm

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Luminesa wrote:WHERE IS DREW BREES?! Y U NO PUT HIM ON LIST?! XD

IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE LINK WHICH SHOWS ALL 50 SUPER BOWL MVPS RANKED, YOU WOULD SEE DREW BREES AT NUMBER 11 WHICH IS PRETTY DECENT.

After the 2017 season Mariota will be up there at number 1.

by **Outer Sparta** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:01 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

WHERE IS DREW BREES?! Y U NO PUT HIM ON LIST?! XD

Number 11, just missed the cutoff for top ten.

by **Idzequitch** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:08 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Luminesa wrote:^This. Every single time.

The Falcons D looks suspect, so they have to rely on Matt Ryan to throw 500+ yards to Julio Jones. Otherwise, the Brady Brunch looks to feast.

Everyone keeps neglecting the fact that this Atlanta D faced a red hot Packer offense which was expected to put up 30-40 points, and held them scoreless until the third quarter. And most of the points Green Bay did score were made possible by Aaron Rodgers scrambling for his life, something Brady can't do.

by **Cymrea** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:10 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:The Falcons D looks suspect, so they have to rely on Matt Ryan to throw 500+ yards to Julio Jones. Otherwise, the Brady Brunch looks to feast.

Everyone keeps neglecting the fact that this Atlanta D faced a red hot Packer offense which was expected to put up 30-40 points, and held them scoreless until the third quarter. And most of the points Green Bay did score were made possible by Aaron Rodgers scrambling for his life, something Brady can't do.

T minus nine days til we have our arguments settled!

by **Luminesa** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:11 pm

Ranoria wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE LINK WHICH SHOWS ALL 50 SUPER BOWL MVPS RANKED, YOU WOULD SEE DREW BREES AT NUMBER 11 WHICH IS PRETTY DECENT.

After the 2017 season Mariota will be up there at number 1.

...Nnnnnnnnnnnnnno.

by **Luminesa** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:12 pm

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Luminesa wrote:WHERE IS DREW BREES?! Y U NO PUT HIM ON LIST?! XD

IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE LINK WHICH SHOWS ALL 50 SUPER BOWL MVPS RANKED, YOU WOULD SEE DREW BREES AT NUMBER 11 WHICH IS PRETTY DECENT.

OH. I ONLY LOOKED AT THE TOP TEN YOU LISTED.

I AM SORRY. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED.

I SHOULD PROBABLY ALSO STOP YELLING IN ALL CAPS. :lol2:

by **Idzequitch** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:16 pm

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

Joe Flacco? For real? I mean no disrespect to your Ravens, but dang. I don't understand how he's anywhere near that high on the list.

by **Baltimore-Ravens** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:49 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Ranking of Top Ten SB MVPS:

49ers QB Joe Montana: Super Bowl XXIV (1989 season)
Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw: Super Bowl XIII (1978 season)
49ers QB Steve Young: Super Bowl XXIX (1994 season)
Redskins QB Doug Williams: Super Bowl XXII (1987 season
49ers WR Jerry Rice: Super Bowl XXIII (1988 season)
Cowboys RB Emmitt Smith: Super Bowl XXVIII (1992 season)
Redskins RB John Riggins: Super Bowl XVII (1982 season)
Ravens QB Joe Flacco: Super Bowl XLVII (2012 season)
Broncos RB Terrell Davis: Super Bowl XXXII (1997 season)
Dolphins RB Larry Csonka: Super Bowl VIII (1973 season)

The only player from the 21st Century to make the top ten of the list is the Raven's Joe Flacco. lmao.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/ ... l-mvps-nfl

Joe Flacco? For real? I mean no disrespect to your Ravens, but dang. I don't understand how he's anywhere near that high on the list.

Easy. He had a great game. 22/33, 287 yards, 3 TDs , 0 ints. Simple. I bet you didn't watch it!

Doug Williams at #4 is the one most folks go "who?" But he went nuts in that game and the Redskins put up a 35 point second quarter after going in down 10-0. Best quarter any team has ever had.

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