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Postby Frenline Delpha » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:15 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Sjovenia wrote:Your first mistake is using People as a viable source of information for things such as that....I'm glad this thread can give you a "heres why you should talk to women wearing headphones". Let me just put in my two pence..... JUST DO IT. If you see a girl you like you go talk to her. Maybe in at the gym, or at Uni, at work etc etc. You see this girl and you keep telling yourself you are going to talk to this girl. What are you waiting for? JUST DO IT! Yesterday you said tomorrow. Don't let girls get away from you (not to be taken literally in a creepy kidnapping way)...JUST DO IT. The worst she can say is no and some people wont even stop there. So just do it...make your dreams come true. She may say yes. She may so no. You wont know until you JUST DO IT!

That's enough of that now.

Yeah, fine, go for it, take the shot.... so long as you also take "No" for an answer. She might say yes, but if she says no, let it go.Therein lies the problem, way back at the start when the discussion was about a stupid "advice" article by some sleazy pickup artist on how to badger women who are wearing headphones into talking to you. I cannot count the number of times I have had a conversations that are basically variations on this:

Me> *wearing headphones while out in public*
Random Joe> *taps shoulder*
Me> *removes headphones* Yes?
Random Joe> *flirty pickup line*
Me> No thanks, not interested, you're not my type, please leave me alone.
Random Joe> *indignant protest that I don't even know him and haven't talked to him, so how could I possibly know he's not my type?!*
Me> Are you taking no for an answer?
Random Joe> *smug reply, bonus points for vaguely creepy stalkery leer/line*
Me> Then you're not my type. My type has manners and listens when a woman says no. Please leave me alone. *headphones back on*

OPTIONAL BONUS ROUND!
Random Joe> *taps shoulder again, insistence that he's a Nice GuyTM and I owe him a chance*
Me> *does not take headphones off* I said I'm busy, leave me alone.
Random Joe> *more forcefully demands I listen to him*
(If conversation is in something like a coffee shop or other private property:) Me> *tone that is IRL equivalent of the red mod warning text* You either leave me alone, or I complain to the staff here that you are harassing me, and I continue complaining until either you leave me alone or you are thrown out of the premises.
(If conversation is out in a public space:) Me> *tone that is IRL equivalent of the red mod warning text* You either leave me alone, or you can keep harassing me until I feel it is necessary to defend myself and/or call the police.

USUALLY by that point even the most obnoxious of pickup assholes will get the hint. Haven't had one go to the point of actually breaking out the tazer, though there've been a few that came close, and I've ended up getting a few ejected from stores. I have a base line of politeness I start out with toward anyone; how they behave changes that level considerably. Try to talk to me, get rebuffed politely, and take the hint to drop it; then no harm, no foul. Try to talk to me, get rebuffed politely, and then continue demanding my time and attention when I have made it unambiguously clear that I have no interest and would like to be left alone on the other hand, then "politely" quickly goes away.

I'm guessing there are a lot of jackasses where you live, Rep. Perhaps Boston?

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Postby Dakini » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:46 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:It's uncivil to talk to interrupt people who are doing something in order to hit on them.

If someone else is going to be rude to me, I have no reason to be polite to them. I might choose to be polite to them, but I'm not obliged to.


A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

No. The world is not a safe space. I'm not a dude, which means that I get to deal with assholes telling me to smile, telling me that I shouldn't be eating poutine or a burrito or anything other than a salad in public because I might get fat and hitting on me when I'm wearing giant, fuck-off headphones indicating that I'm not interested in interacting with anyone.


The world is only a safe space for SWM, who apparently I have to coddle when they bother me for stupid bullshit.

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Postby Crockerland » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:41 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:It's uncivil to talk to interrupt people who are doing something in order to hit on them.

If someone else is going to be rude to me, I have no reason to be polite to them. I might choose to be polite to them, but I'm not obliged to.


A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

The world is not the dating website of rude, overentitled losers interrupting stranger's activities to hit on them either.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:44 am

Dakini wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

No. The world is not a safe space. I'm not a dude, which means that I get to deal with assholes telling me to smile, telling me that I shouldn't be eating poutine or a burrito or anything other than a salad in public because I might get fat and hitting on me when I'm wearing giant, fuck-off headphones indicating that I'm not interested in interacting with anyone.


The world is only a safe space for SWM, who apparently I have to coddle when they bother me for stupid bullshit.


Why do you assume it's only SWM's doing stuff like this.

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Postby Community Values » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:31 am

Crockerland wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

The world is not the dating website of rude, overentitled losers interrupting stranger's activities to hit on them either.


What is the world? I've heard many things about what it could be. Is it my oyster? My dating site? My safe space?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:38 am

Community Values wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The world is not the dating website of rude, overentitled losers interrupting stranger's activities to hit on them either.


What is the world? I've heard many things about what it could be. Is it my oyster? My dating site? My safe space?

It's a pear shaped rock in space.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:41 am

Dakini wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

No. The world is not a safe space. I'm not a dude, which means that I get to deal with assholes telling me to smile, telling me that I shouldn't be eating poutine or a burrito or anything other than a salad in public because I might get fat and hitting on me when I'm wearing giant, fuck-off headphones indicating that I'm not interested in interacting with anyone.


The world is only a safe space for SWM, who apparently I have to coddle when they bother me for stupid bullshit.

As an SWM, I also get demanded by literally everyone to smile.

Then the leprechaun starts telling me to light things on fire again.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:49 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Dakini wrote:No. The world is not a safe space. I'm not a dude, which means that I get to deal with assholes telling me to smile, telling me that I shouldn't be eating poutine or a burrito or anything other than a salad in public because I might get fat and hitting on me when I'm wearing giant, fuck-off headphones indicating that I'm not interested in interacting with anyone.


The world is only a safe space for SWM, who apparently I have to coddle when they bother me for stupid bullshit.

As an SWM, I also get demanded by literally everyone to smile.

Then the leprechaun starts telling me to light things on fire again.

Burn them. Burn them all.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:00 am

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:36 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Sjovenia wrote:Your first mistake is using People as a viable source of information for things such as that....I'm glad this thread can give you a "heres why you should talk to women wearing headphones". Let me just put in my two pence..... JUST DO IT. If you see a girl you like you go talk to her. Maybe in at the gym, or at Uni, at work etc etc. You see this girl and you keep telling yourself you are going to talk to this girl. What are you waiting for? JUST DO IT! Yesterday you said tomorrow. Don't let girls get away from you (not to be taken literally in a creepy kidnapping way)...JUST DO IT. The worst she can say is no and some people wont even stop there. So just do it...make your dreams come true. She may say yes. She may so no. You wont know until you JUST DO IT!

That's enough of that now.

Yeah, fine, go for it, take the shot.... so long as you also take "No" for an answer. She might say yes, but if she says no, let it go.Therein lies the problem, way back at the start when the discussion was about a stupid "advice" article by some sleazy pickup artist on how to badger women who are wearing headphones into talking to you. I cannot count the number of times I have had a conversations that are basically variations on this:

Me> *wearing headphones while out in public*
Random Joe> *taps shoulder*
Me> *removes headphones* Yes?
Random Joe> *flirty pickup line*
Me> No thanks, not interested, you're not my type, please leave me alone.
Random Joe> *indignant protest that I don't even know him and haven't talked to him, so how could I possibly know he's not my type?!*
Me> Are you taking no for an answer?
Random Joe> *smug reply, bonus points for vaguely creepy stalkery leer/line*
Me> Then you're not my type. My type has manners and listens when a woman says no. Please leave me alone. *headphones back on*

OPTIONAL BONUS ROUND!
Random Joe> *taps shoulder again, insistence that he's a Nice GuyTM and I owe him a chance*
Me> *does not take headphones off* I said I'm busy, leave me alone.
Random Joe> *more forcefully demands I listen to him*
(If conversation is in something like a coffee shop or other private property:) Me> *tone that is IRL equivalent of the red mod warning text* You either leave me alone, or I complain to the staff here that you are harassing me, and I continue complaining until either you leave me alone or you are thrown out of the premises.
(If conversation is out in a public space:) Me> *tone that is IRL equivalent of the red mod warning text* You either leave me alone, or you can keep harassing me until I feel it is necessary to defend myself and/or call the police.

USUALLY by that point even the most obnoxious of pickup assholes will get the hint. Haven't had one go to the point of actually breaking out the tazer, though there've been a few that came close, and I've ended up getting a few ejected from stores. I have a base line of politeness I start out with toward anyone; how they behave changes that level considerably. Try to talk to me, get rebuffed politely, and take the hint to drop it; then no harm, no foul. Try to talk to me, get rebuffed politely, and then continue demanding my time and attention when I have made it unambiguously clear that I have no interest and would like to be left alone on the other hand, then "politely" quickly goes away.


Telling them I'm lesbian usually works, though I've had several tell me they could "make" me straight, or "fix" my genes. (In more vulgar language, mind)

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Postby Dakini » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:54 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Dakini wrote:No. The world is not a safe space. I'm not a dude, which means that I get to deal with assholes telling me to smile, telling me that I shouldn't be eating poutine or a burrito or anything other than a salad in public because I might get fat and hitting on me when I'm wearing giant, fuck-off headphones indicating that I'm not interested in interacting with anyone.


The world is only a safe space for SWM, who apparently I have to coddle when they bother me for stupid bullshit.


Why do you assume it's only SWM's doing stuff like this.

Well, let's see. According to the poster I'm responding to, when a presumably straight (perhaps bi or pan) dude approaches a woman, the world is "not her safe space" so she has to politely respond to the dude because apparently the world is his safe space, where he's never exposed to the idea that other people might be annoyed by him.

Basically, it's funny how a complaint about safe spaces (which usually centre on the narrative that minorities do not have the right to places where they can avoid dealing with the day to day bullshit they incur as a result of their minority status) is coming from someone who is simultaneously suggesting that the people (primarily men) who bother women while they're wearing headphones need to be treated gently.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:03 am

Dakini wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Why do you assume it's only SWM's doing stuff like this.

Well, let's see. According to the poster I'm responding to, when a presumably straight (perhaps bi or pan) dude approaches a woman, the world is "not her safe space" so she has to politely respond to the dude because apparently the world is his safe space, where he's never exposed to the idea that other people might be annoyed by him.

Basically, it's funny how a complaint about safe spaces (which usually centre on the narrative that minorities do not have the right to places where they can avoid dealing with the day to day bullshit they incur as a result of their minority status) is coming from someone who is simultaneously suggesting that the people (primarily men) who bother women while they're wearing headphones need to be treated gently.

It is frustrating that people trying to 'defend' straight white dudes make us out to be such fragile creatures that cannot take criticism or rejection without a velvet glove.
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Postby Dakini » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:18 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Dakini wrote:Well, let's see. According to the poster I'm responding to, when a presumably straight (perhaps bi or pan) dude approaches a woman, the world is "not her safe space" so she has to politely respond to the dude because apparently the world is his safe space, where he's never exposed to the idea that other people might be annoyed by him.

Basically, it's funny how a complaint about safe spaces (which usually centre on the narrative that minorities do not have the right to places where they can avoid dealing with the day to day bullshit they incur as a result of their minority status) is coming from someone who is simultaneously suggesting that the people (primarily men) who bother women while they're wearing headphones need to be treated gently.

It is frustrating that people trying to 'defend' straight white dudes make us out to be such fragile creatures that cannot take criticism or rejection without a velvet glove.

And then they go on about how women are so weak and incapable of hard or dangerous work (e.g. serving in the military).

edit to add: Never mind the claims that women are emotional while men are logical in light of the claim that not being nice to someone while rejecting/ignoring them means you basically deserve to be punched.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:22 am

Dakini wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:It is frustrating that people trying to 'defend' straight white dudes make us out to be such fragile creatures that cannot take criticism or rejection without a velvet glove.

And then they go on about how women are so weak and incapable of hard or dangerous work (e.g. serving in the military).

edit to add: Never mind the claims that women are emotional while men are logical in light of the claim that not being nice to someone while rejecting/ignoring them means you basically deserve to be punched.


Like that arguement was ever made.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:24 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:And then they go on about how women are so weak and incapable of hard or dangerous work (e.g. serving in the military).

edit to add: Never mind the claims that women are emotional while men are logical in light of the claim that not being nice to someone while rejecting/ignoring them means you basically deserve to be punched.


Like that arguement was ever made.

You literally said that women should politely engage men being impolite to rebuff them after interrupting their enjoyment of music, or a podcast, and generally wanting to be left alone - lest the man take offence and punch them.
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Postby Dakini » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:27 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:And then they go on about how women are so weak and incapable of hard or dangerous work (e.g. serving in the military).

edit to add: Never mind the claims that women are emotional while men are logical in light of the claim that not being nice to someone while rejecting/ignoring them means you basically deserve to be punched.


Like that arguement was ever made.

Uh...

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So nothing will happen. One person might think I'm rude. Big fucking deal. The world, as you say, is not their safe space.


You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.


You might not have said that they deserved it, but you did say that you hoped something like that would happen to Iffy for ignoring someone and then suggested that this was a likely response.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:29 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:
Like that arguement was ever made.

You literally said that women should politely engage men being impolite to rebuff them after interrupting their enjoyment of music, or a podcast, and generally wanting to be left alone - lest the man take offence and punch them.


No, I said I have seen it happen. I also said the hitter was in the wrong for hitting. What I said is you politely tell the person to go away, ignoring a human being is rude and uncalled for. A person has a right to be a rude asshole, but they should expect to be treated as one.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:30 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:You literally said that women should politely engage men being impolite to rebuff them after interrupting their enjoyment of music, or a podcast, and generally wanting to be left alone - lest the man take offence and punch them.


No, I said I have seen it happen. I also said the hitter was in the wrong for hitting. What I said is you politely tell the person to go away, ignoring a human being is rude and uncalled for. A person has a right to be a rude asshole, but they should expect to be treated as one.

The silent treatment is a valid treatment for a rude asshole.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:32 am

Ethel mermania wrote:No, I said I have seen it happen. I also said the hitter was in the wrong for hitting. What I said is you politely tell the person to go away, ignoring a human being is rude and uncalled for. A person has a right to be a rude asshole, but they should expect to be treated as one.

Jesus, are you being serious right now? If someone won't stop bugging you, you don't engage with them to get it to stop. Ever hear the phrase "Don't feed the troll"? Attention only encourages the transgressor.
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I mean, seriously, have you never been accosted by a street salesperson or preacher? Refuse once, maybe twice, then ignore.
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Postby Dakini » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:35 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:You literally said that women should politely engage men being impolite to rebuff them after interrupting their enjoyment of music, or a podcast, and generally wanting to be left alone - lest the man take offence and punch them.


No, I said I have seen it happen. I also said the hitter was in the wrong for hitting. What I said is you politely tell the person to go away, ignoring a human being is rude and uncalled for. A person has a right to be a rude asshole, but they should expect to be treated as one.

Bothering people who obviously don't want to be bothered is rude and uncalled for.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:41 am

Dakini wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Like that arguement was ever made.

Uh...

Ethel mermania wrote:
You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.


You might not have said that they deserved it, but you did say that you hoped something like that would happen to Iffy for ignoring someone and then suggested that this was a likely response.


Show me the word "hope", or the implication I hoped it would occur. Argue against what is said not what you make up
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Conserative Morality wrote:I mean, seriously, have you never been accosted by a street salesperson or preacher? Refuse once, maybe twice, then ignore.

I gots no money usually does the trick, starting to walk away also helps
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:44 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:No, I said I have seen it happen. I also said the hitter was in the wrong for hitting. What I said is you politely tell the person to go away, ignoring a human being is rude and uncalled for. A person has a right to be a rude asshole, but they should expect to be treated as one.

Jesus, are you being serious right now? If someone won't stop bugging you, you don't engage with them to get it to stop. Ever hear the phrase "Don't feed the troll"? Attention only encourages the transgressor.


Yet again, after saying "not interested, no thank you, I have a headache" you can ignore all you want, you have covered your social obligation.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:48 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Jesus, are you being serious right now? If someone won't stop bugging you, you don't engage with them to get it to stop. Ever hear the phrase "Don't feed the troll"? Attention only encourages the transgressor.


Yet again, after saying "not interested, no thank you, I have a headache" you can ignore all you want, you have covered your social obligation.

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