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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:43 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:If anyone tries to talk to me when I have headphones in I will ignore them. If they are persistent I will tell them to go away. I am not a people person and it is presumptuous of anyone, regardless of gender, to presume that someone wants to engage with them. Shoo.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:So you would say that you don't have the moral obligation to talk to somebody who needs you? k.

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public. Are you seriously trying to make me out to be a bad person based on something you said?


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true but if you are in public you should behave civilly. "telling them no thank you i want to listen to my music" is OK, ignoring them really isn't

It might be rude. But I think we'd all be up shit creek if we weren't allowed to be rude.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:38 am

Dakini wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
true but if you are in public you should behave civilly. "telling them no thank you i want to listen to my music" is OK, ignoring them really isn't

It's uncivil to talk to interrupt people who are doing something in order to hit on them.

If someone else is going to be rude to me, I have no reason to be polite to them. I might choose to be polite to them, but I'm not obliged to.


A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public. Are you seriously trying to make me out to be a bad person based on something you said?



It might be rude. But I think we'd all be up shit creek if we weren't allowed to be rude.


At one point basic courtesy is required.

I mean, you'll probably be consider a bit of a wanker for not using it, but it's by no means required
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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Agreed, there is no obligation to have a conversation with someone, but you have to acknowledge their existence. It's rude here too. But I live in a rude town.

NYC?



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Postby Alvecia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:41 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:It's uncivil to talk to interrupt people who are doing something in order to hit on them.

If someone else is going to be rude to me, I have no reason to be polite to them. I might choose to be polite to them, but I'm not obliged to.


A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

Interesting that you'd bring up safe spaces because I think I could made a reasonable argument that you're attempting to turn the world into your own safe space where you won't be offended by people's rude behaviour.
Which is besides the point, safe spaces have nothing to do with it.
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Postby Community Values » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:41 am

What happens when someone wearing headphones talks to you? What does society want me to do?
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:43 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dakini wrote:It's uncivil to talk to interrupt people who are doing something in order to hit on them.

If someone else is going to be rude to me, I have no reason to be polite to them. I might choose to be polite to them, but I'm not obliged to.


A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

Yes it is absolutely okay to interrupt people for no good reason when they have demonstrated no inclination to chat but it is not okay to ignore those who do so, sure. :roll:
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:44 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public. Are you seriously trying to make me out to be a bad person based on something you said?



It might be rude. But I think we'd all be up shit creek if we weren't allowed to be rude.


At one point basic courtesy is required.

Is it indeed? Well suppose some stranger approaches me and I, wearing headphones, ignore them and carry on about my business. What happens? What consequences will I suffer when I fail to show basic courtesy? Will I be sent to prison? Will I be shot? Will I be shunned and cast out from society? Will Cthulhu rise from the sea and begin devouring cultists?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
At one point basic courtesy is required.

Is it indeed? Well suppose some stranger approaches me and I, wearing headphones, ignore them and carry on about my business. What happens? What consequences will I suffer when I fail to show basic courtesy? Will I be sent to prison? Will I be shot? Will I be shunned and cast out from society? Will Cthulhu rise from the sea and begin devouring cultists?


With any luck, yes.
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Postby Silverakia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:45 am

I has questions.

How come this thread got over 300 posts? It sounds rather pointless. You shouldn't talk to a person that won't or doesn't want to hear you.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:47 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
A simple "I want to go back to my music, book, or videogame" is fine. Ignoring them really is not. The world is not your safe space.

Interesting that you'd bring up safe spaces because I think I could made a reasonable argument that you're attempting to turn the world into your own safe space where you won't be offended by people's rude behaviour.
Which is besides the point, safe spaces have nothing to do with it.


No you really can't. But keep believing it.

See, being rude is easy
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:47 am

Silverakia wrote:I has questions.

How come this thread got over 300 posts? It sounds rather pointless. You shouldn't talk to a person that won't or doesn't want to hear you.

"I disagree"

And that's how it's got over 300 posts.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:49 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Is it indeed? Well suppose some stranger approaches me and I, wearing headphones, ignore them and carry on about my business. What happens? What consequences will I suffer when I fail to show basic courtesy? Will I be sent to prison? Will I be shot? Will I be shunned and cast out from society? Will Cthulhu rise from the sea and begin devouring cultists?


With any luck, yes.

So nothing will happen. One person might think I'm rude. Big fucking deal. The world, as you say, is not their safe space.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:49 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Interesting that you'd bring up safe spaces because I think I could made a reasonable argument that you're attempting to turn the world into your own safe space where you won't be offended by people's rude behaviour.
Which is besides the point, safe spaces have nothing to do with it.


No you really can't. But keep believing it.

I don't believe it, but I do think it's an effective foil to your point about them
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
With any luck, yes.

So nothing will happen. One person might think I'm rude. Big fucking deal. The world, as you say, is not their safe space.


You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:02 am

Alvecia wrote:
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No you really can't. But keep believing it.

I don't believe it, but I do think it's an effective foil to your point about them



. The world is jumbled place where we have to interact with each other like it or not, so I disagree that it is a valid counter arguement.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:04 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So nothing will happen. One person might think I'm rude. Big fucking deal. The world, as you say, is not their safe space.


You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.

"Talk to me! Talk to me, dammit! No? Then I'll just violently assault you, person-quietly-minding-their-own-business!"

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:07 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I don't believe it, but I do think it's an effective foil to your point about them



. The world is jumbled place where we have to interact with each other like it or not, so I disagree that it is a valid counter arguement.

I would disagree with that. Interaction is necessary in the same way mobile phones are necessary. They vastly ease communication allowing for faster, more efficient dissemination of information, but they aren't necessary.
I'll turn my phone off if I don't want to be bothered.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:08 am

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.

"Talk to me! Talk to me, dammit! No? Then I'll just violently assault you, person-quietly-minding-their-own-business!"


More like, " treat me like I am not here, I will let you know I am here, you fucking asshole."
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:10 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So nothing will happen. One person might think I'm rude. Big fucking deal. The world, as you say, is not their safe space.


You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.

Then some shithead is going to jail for battery. I'm not going to engage with strangers out of fear they might deck me. In fact, if I thought someone was going to deck me I'd disengage with them as quickly as I could manage.

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:10 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:"Talk to me! Talk to me, dammit! No? Then I'll just violently assault you, person-quietly-minding-their-own-business!"


More like, " treat me like I am not here, I will let you know I am here, you fucking asshole."

Are there very many of these overly friendly pugilists wandering around, trying to strike up conversations with strangers and then beating them to a pulp when rebuffed?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:11 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

. The world is jumbled place where we have to interact with each other like it or not, so I disagree that it is a valid counter arguement.

I would disagree with that. Interaction is necessary in the same way mobile phones are necessary. They vastly ease communication allowing for faster, more efficient dissemination of information, but they aren't necessary.
I'll turn my phone off if I don't want to be bothered.


You don't get that option face to face, saying "I am sorry, I am doing x y or z, or I have a headache and don't want to talk" is fine. Ignoring people tends to piss the hell out of them.
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Ifreann wrote:So nothing will happen. One person might think I'm rude. Big fucking deal. The world, as you say, is not their safe space.


You might very well get punched out. It is something I have seen more than once in this circumstance.

People absolutely should not have to respond "politely" to people being impolite under threat of physical violence.
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Postby Sjovenia » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:11 am

Your first mistake is using People as a viable source of information for things such as that....I'm glad this thread can give you a "heres why you should talk to women wearing headphones". Let me just put in my two pence..... JUST DO IT. If you see a girl you like you go talk to her. Maybe in at the gym, or at Uni, at work etc etc. You see this girl and you keep telling yourself you are going to talk to this girl. What are you waiting for? JUST DO IT! Yesterday you said tomorrow. Don't let girls get away from you (not to be taken literally in a creepy kidnapping way)...JUST DO IT. The worst she can say is no and some people wont even stop there. So just do it...make your dreams come true. She may say yes. She may so no. You wont know until you JUST DO IT!

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