Talking to women wearing headphones

[Jumalariik]

No, but being a decent person, you should give them your time.

So contrary to your earlier post, my time when I am in public is, in fact, my own.

You're not entitled to it being your own, no. But, you are not a slave either. it is not so simple.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

So contrary to your earlier post, my time when I am in public is, in fact, my own.

You're not entitled to it being your own, no. But, you are not a slave either. it is not so simple.

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[Ifreann]

So contrary to your earlier post, my time when I am in public is, in fact, my own.

You mean I'm not allowed to enslave any person my ROV spots in public when I refuse to leave my house ever?

Apparently some obscure old law says you're not allowed to enslave, like, anyone ever.

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So contrary to your earlier post, my time when I am in public is, in fact, my own.

You're not entitled to it being your own, no. But, you are not a slave either. it is not so simple.

It seems simple to me. If I don't owe other people my time, then it's just my own time.

[Jumalariik]

You mean I'm not allowed to enslave any person my ROV spots in public when I refuse to leave my house ever?

Apparently some obscure old law says you're not allowed to enslave, like, anyone ever.

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You're not entitled to it being your own, no. But, you are not a slave either. it is not so simple.

It seems simple to me. If I don't owe other people my time, then it's just my own time.

So do you think you are entitled not to speak to somebody who is in need of you?

[Ifreann]

Apparently some obscure old law says you're not allowed to enslave, like, anyone ever.

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It seems simple to me. If I don't owe other people my time, then it's just my own time.

So do you think you are entitled not to speak to somebody who is in need of you?

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public.

[Jumalariik]

So do you think you are entitled not to speak to somebody who is in need of you?

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public.

So you would say that you don't have the moral obligation to talk to somebody who needs you? k.

[Reploid Productions]

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public.

So you would say that you don't have the moral obligation to talk to somebody who needs you? k.

Once again, different thread, same problem, drifting rather far from the topic.

[Thermodolia]

Just saw Reppy's post disregard and back to the topic

[Quintipoli]

This thread is probably a small social experiment on NS how a weird name for a thread can get as many replies as a bigger thread.

Agreed. I only clicked on this because the name was strange and spent a lot of time trying to figure out what the thread was actually about. HA! WE'VE FIGURED YOU OUT!

[Quintipoli]

This thread is probably a small social experiment on NS how a weird name for a thread can get as many replies as a bigger thread.

Agreed. I only clicked on this because the name was strange and spent a lot of time trying to figure out what the thread was actually about. HA! WE'VE FIGURED YOU OUT!

I generally don't talk to random people, regardless of what gender they are or whether they're wearing headphones. I just have nothing to say. (that anybody would want to hear)

[Ethel mermania]

I'm glad to do so.

But where am I wrong? You're in public, not in private.

That doesn't mean I owe my time to any randomer who wanders up and fancies a chat.

true but if you are in public you should behave civilly. "telling them no thank you i want to listen to my music" is OK, ignoring them really isn't

[USS Monitor]

It seems that men are meant to think of themselves as undeserving of women, while women are meant to feel entitled to being sought after no matter what.

On the one hand there is body positivity, on the other hand, men must stop hitting on girls.

Honestly MGTOW and MRA make a lot of sense.

This isn't really a "men shouldn't talk to women" issue so much as a "don't bother people when they're trying to enjoy their music" issue.

[USS Monitor]

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public.

So you would say that you don't have the moral obligation to talk to somebody who needs you? k.

A stranger that is only talking to me because he thinks I'm hot is not "somebody who needs me."

[Great Nepal]

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public.

So you would say that you don't have the moral obligation to talk to somebody who needs you? k.

We've moral obligation to talk to someone who's obviously not in any significant danger? Did i miss the memo on how we're all gonna be jackasses with no respect or consideration for other people's time instead of sensible people who use roads to get from point A to B with minimal interference to ofhers?

[Caracasus]

That doesn't mean I owe my time to any randomer who wanders up and fancies a chat.

No, but being a decent person, you should give them your time.

Why? I'm on a train or a bus. I got on that train or bus because I wanted to get from point A to point B - either to meet friends or go to work. I want to listen to music, so I put my headphones in and listen.

I've done my "decent person" duty right there. I'm making sure that my music doesn't interfere with other people's journey. I have absolutely no wish to have my journey interfered with because some numpty wants a chat. If they want to chat, or hit on people, then there are establishments that cater for this.

There is no "should give them my time" here at all. They're not entitled to it.

[Ethel mermania]

No, but being a decent person, you should give them your time.

Why? I'm on a train or a bus. I got on that train or bus because I wanted to get from point A to point B - either to meet friends or go to work. I want to listen to music, so I put my headphones in and listen.

I've done my "decent person" duty right there. I'm making sure that my music doesn't interfere with other people's journey. I have absolutely no wish to have my journey interfered with because some numpty wants a chat. If they want to chat, or hit on people, then there are establishments that cater for this.

There is no "should give them my time" here at all. They're not entitled to it.

Yes because we are all special snowflakes who lI've in a bubble only conscious of ourselves.

Wearing headphones does preclude you from society. If someone asks you something you answer, even if that answer is "please leave me alone", wearing headphones does not give you a pass from being a human being.

[Caracasus]

Why? I'm on a train or a bus. I got on that train or bus because I wanted to get from point A to point B - either to meet friends or go to work. I want to listen to music, so I put my headphones in and listen.

I've done my "decent person" duty right there. I'm making sure that my music doesn't interfere with other people's journey. I have absolutely no wish to have my journey interfered with because some numpty wants a chat. If they want to chat, or hit on people, then there are establishments that cater for this.

There is no "should give them my time" here at all. They're not entitled to it.

Yes because we are all special snowflakes who lI've in a bubble only conscious of ourselves.

Wearing headphones does preclude you from society. If someone asks you something you answer, even if that answer is "please leave me alone", wearing headphones does not give you a pass from being a human being.

Fair enough, if someone asks me a question I will answer - I was under the impression that we were dealing with someone striking up conversation feeling "entitled" to a response from me longer than "Sorry, I'm busy". If that's the case, then no - they are most certainly not entitled to that.

It's possible there's a cultural issue here. Joking aside, acting like this where I live would be considered very rude.

[Ethel mermania]

Yes because we are all special snowflakes who lI've in a bubble only conscious of ourselves.

Wearing headphones does preclude you from society. If someone asks you something you answer, even if that answer is "please leave me alone", wearing headphones does not give you a pass from being a human being.

Fair enough, if someone asks me a question I will answer - I was under the impression that we were dealing with someone striking up conversation feeling "entitled" to a response from me longer than "Sorry, I'm busy". If that's the case, then no - they are most certainly not entitled to that.

It's possible there's a cultural issue here. Joking aside, acting like this where I live would be considered very rude.

Agreed, there is no obligation to have a conversation with someone, but you have to acknowledge their existence. It's rude here too. But I live in a rude town.

[Caracasus]

Fair enough, if someone asks me a question I will answer - I was under the impression that we were dealing with someone striking up conversation feeling "entitled" to a response from me longer than "Sorry, I'm busy". If that's the case, then no - they are most certainly not entitled to that.

It's possible there's a cultural issue here. Joking aside, acting like this where I live would be considered very rude.

Agreed, there is no obligation to have a conversation with someone, but you have to acknowledge their existence. It's rude here too. But I live in a rude town.

If we're talking about hitting on someone, there are many who just play the averages game - ask enough people and eventually you'll get lucky. I'd imagine for people like that being bloody rude and invasive wouldn't be much of a barrier.

[Thermodolia]

Fair enough, if someone asks me a question I will answer - I was under the impression that we were dealing with someone striking up conversation feeling "entitled" to a response from me longer than "Sorry, I'm busy". If that's the case, then no - they are most certainly not entitled to that.

It's possible there's a cultural issue here. Joking aside, acting like this where I live would be considered very rude.

Agreed, there is no obligation to have a conversation with someone, but you have to acknowledge their existence. It's rude here too. But I live in a rude town.

NYC?

[Ifreann]

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public.

So you would say that you don't have the moral obligation to talk to somebody who needs you? k.

You said yourself that I don't owe anyone else my time just because I'm in public. Are you seriously trying to make me out to be a bad person based on something you said?

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That doesn't mean I owe my time to any randomer who wanders up and fancies a chat.

true but if you are in public you should behave civilly. "telling them no thank you i want to listen to my music" is OK, ignoring them really isn't

It might be rude. But I think we'd all be up shit creek if we weren't allowed to be rude.

[Dumb Ideologies]

If anyone tries to talk to me when I have headphones in I will ignore them. If they are persistent I will tell them to go away. I am not a people person and it is presumptuous of anyone, regardless of gender, to presume that someone wants to engage with them. Shoo.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

If anyone tries to talk to me when I have headphones in I will ignore them. If they are persistent I will tell them to go away. I am not a people person and it is presumptuous of anyone, regardless of gender, to presume that someone wants to engage with them. Shoo.

You shoo.

[Dakini]

Still though, what if how attractive he found her was to be the foundation for a subsequent relationship? One she might have been open to if not for the fact that she interrupted him? Is there any non-creepy alternative to interrupting whatever she's listening to?

If I saw someone and thought they were hot, but they interrupted me whilst I was listening to my headphones or reading a book to hit on me, I would become instantly unattracted to them because of how shitty and inconsiderate they are.

Seriously, people are listening to headphones in public because they want to listen to whatever they're listening to. They don't want to hear some asshole stranger's pick up line.


Like, if there's an emergency, fine. If your friend fell down a well and you're hoping I can call emergency services for you or you're choking on your lunch and want me to do the Heimlich maneuver, then sure, interrupt me. Otherwise, you can fuck right off.

[Dakini]

That doesn't mean I owe my time to any randomer who wanders up and fancies a chat.

true but if you are in public you should behave civilly. "telling them no thank you i want to listen to my music" is OK, ignoring them really isn't

It's uncivil to talk to interrupt people who are doing something in order to hit on them.

If someone else is going to be rude to me, I have no reason to be polite to them. I might choose to be polite to them, but I'm not obliged to.