UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Vassenor]

Also re-reading the article the "Syrian" and "Palestinian" arguments probably come from a misreading of the Roman province Syria Palaestina.

[The Nihilistic view]

^This.

St George's 'real' nationality changes every St George's Day to suit some political agenda. He was 'Palestinian' for a while, then he was 'Turkish', and this year he suddenly became 'Syrian' (which was a particularly tenuous one). 'Black' is, I have to say, a new one.

In reality he was of Greek extraction and born in what is now Israel.

In any case not the white as the driven snow dude everyone seems to think he is.

Nobody is white as the driven snow.....

[Imperializt Russia]

In any case not the white as the driven snow dude everyone seems to think he is.

Nobody is white as the driven snow.....

I am.

[Sanctissima]

Also re-reading the article the "Syrian" and "Palestinian" arguments probably come from a misreading of the Roman province Syria Palaestina.

That's pretty much the gist of it.

Which really shows a lack of any hint of historical knowledge whatsoever on the part of those who support either argument.

[Balkenreich]

In any case not the white as the driven snow dude everyone seems to think he is.

Nobody is white as the driven snow.....

Well, unless your snow white.
[BADAM TIS]

[HMS Vanguard]

In any case not the white as the driven snow dude everyone seems to think he is.

Greeks are pretty white. Certainly closer to white than black.

Greeks are now a mix between white and "brown", and perhaps closer to white.

This is a result of Ottoman-era migrations. The classical Greeks were invaders from the north west and had North European features.

For that matter the native population of that area was pretty white until the Muslim conquest brought in Arabs from further south and the African slave trade. Here is a picture of Bashar al-Assad, who comes from an endogamous native tribe (the Alawites, who didn't breed that much with the Muslims):



Clearly Assad is a slightly goofy looking guy and not the model of an SS officer, but if a man looking like this told you his name was Barry and he is a UKIP councillor from Lincolnshire would you contradict him?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Nobody is white as the driven snow.....

Well, unless your snow white.
[BADAM TIS]

Get out.

[Imperializt Russia]

Greeks are pretty white. Certainly closer to white than black.

Greeks are now a mix between white and "brown", and perhaps closer to white.

This is a result of Ottoman-era migrations. The classical Greeks were invaders from the north west and had North European features.

For that matter the native population of that area was pretty white until the Muslim conquest brought in Arabs from further south and the African slave trade. Here is a picture of Bashar al-Assad, who comes from an endogamous native tribe (the Alawites, who didn't breed that much with the Muslims):



Clearly Assad is a slightly goofy looking guy and not the model of an SS officer, but if a man looking like this told you his name was Barry and he is a UKIP councillor from Lincolnshire would you contradict him?

Yes, he's claiming to be from Lincolnshire and only has one thumb on each hand.

[The Nihilistic view]

Greeks are pretty white. Certainly closer to white than black.

Greeks are now a mix between white and "brown", and perhaps closer to white.

This is a result of Ottoman-era migrations. The classical Greeks were invaders from the north west and had North European features.

For that matter the native population of that area was pretty white until the Muslim conquest brought in Arabs from further south and the African slave trade. Here is a picture of Bashar al-Assad, who comes from an endogamous native tribe (the Alawites, who didn't breed that much with the Muslims):



Clearly Assad is a slightly goofy looking guy and not the model of an SS officer, but if a man looking like this told you his name was Barry and he is a UKIP councillor from Lincolnshire would you contradict him?

Probably as his eyes look too close together to be trusted.

[The Nihilistic view]

Greeks are now a mix between white and "brown", and perhaps closer to white.

This is a result of Ottoman-era migrations. The classical Greeks were invaders from the north west and had North European features.

For that matter the native population of that area was pretty white until the Muslim conquest brought in Arabs from further south and the African slave trade. Here is a picture of Bashar al-Assad, who comes from an endogamous native tribe (the Alawites, who didn't breed that much with the Muslims):



Clearly Assad is a slightly goofy looking guy and not the model of an SS officer, but if a man looking like this told you his name was Barry and he is a UKIP councillor from Lincolnshire would you contradict him?

Yes, he's claiming to be from Lincolnshire and only has one thumb on each hand.

Do you have more than one thumb on each?

[Angleter]

I've seen plenty of niqabs and, I think, a fair few burqas in Muslim-dominated parts of Birmingham (Sparkbrook, Small Heath, &c.). They're not the most common form of Islamic dress, but they're not unusual in those areas, either.

It largely depends on where the Deobandis are. They tend to be the more fundamentalist ones in the UK, so in areas where there's pretty sizable Deobandi communities, you tend to see a lot more niqabs.

Yeah, the two largest mosques in Birmingham (both near Sparkbrook and Small Heath) are Deobandi and Barelvi - although as far as I'm aware, Deobandis are almost half of the entire country's ummah, so that's no surprise. There's also a large Salafi mosque (Green Lane) right in the middle of Small Heath and very close to where I used to live.

[Salandriagado]

Greeks are now a mix between white and "brown", and perhaps closer to white.

This is a result of Ottoman-era migrations. The classical Greeks were invaders from the north west and had North European features.

For that matter the native population of that area was pretty white until the Muslim conquest brought in Arabs from further south and the African slave trade. Here is a picture of Bashar al-Assad, who comes from an endogamous native tribe (the Alawites, who didn't breed that much with the Muslims):



Clearly Assad is a slightly goofy looking guy and not the model of an SS officer, but if a man looking like this told you his name was Barry and he is a UKIP councillor from Lincolnshire would you contradict him?

Yes, he's claiming to be from Lincolnshire and only has one thumb on each hand.

To be fair, you can only see one hand.

[Frank Zipper]

Probably as his eyes look too close together to be trusted.

Normal for Ukippers

[Souseiseki]

no oregreave investigation, lol

IPB going through lords with no real opposition, lol

[South Park Labourite]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 89151.html

What a disgusting bitch.

[Dumb Ideologies]

no oregreave investigation, lol

IPB going through lords with no real opposition, lol

First one for me is possibly a yay because maybe we're not going to have years of arse-achingly dull headlines about it like with Hillsborough. Second one boo.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think we should have an inquiry into the Battle of Bannockburn, the use of the Schiltron formation was heavy handed tactics that unfairly led to the injury of many innocent peaceful holiday makers.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I think we should have an inquiry into the Battle of Bannockburn, the use of the Schiltron formation was heavy handed tactics that unfairly led to the injury of many innocent peaceful holiday makers.

I'm still waiting for the result of the stewards' review into the Battle of Hastings.

Firing arrows in the direction of eyes was specifically mentioned in the combatants briefing as unsportsmanlike behaviour for which a hundred years timeout must be imposed.

[MERIZoC]

Wonder how the far rightists would react to being told St George was a black Palestinian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George
His parents were Greek. So not black.

Next thing you'll be saying is that he didn't actually slay a dragon.

[Napkiraly]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George
His parents were Greek. So not black.

Next thing you'll be saying is that he didn't actually slay a dragon.

Could have been chasing it, however.

[Souseiseki]

I think we should have an inquiry into the Battle of Bannockburn, the use of the Schiltron formation was heavy handed tactics that unfairly led to the injury of many innocent peaceful holiday makers.

is this a passive way of saying you're ok with police conduct during orgreave or are you just making an irreverent joke

[Ostroeuropa]

I think we should have an inquiry into the Battle of Bannockburn, the use of the Schiltron formation was heavy handed tactics that unfairly led to the injury of many innocent peaceful holiday makers.

is this a passive way of saying you're ok with police conduct during orgreave or are you just making an irreverent joke

What would it prove?
It's just an attempt to generate a news cycle about how evil tories are and the poor miners.
Everyone already knows what happened those days.

The labour party shouldn't demanding the government use public funds as PR for their group.

By all means, a victim of the police misconduct can and should sue and we'll deal with it that way, but an inquiry is pointless.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I think we should have an inquiry into the Battle of Bannockburn, the use of the Schiltron formation was heavy handed tactics that unfairly led to the injury of many innocent peaceful holiday makers.

is this a passive way of saying you're ok with police conduct during orgreave or are you just making an irreverent joke

Bad things happened and people make poor judgments but this doesn't always mean you have to have interminable inquiries about them.

BTW awkward penguin moment but I'm trying to turn over a new leaf of sorts as I think I might have tipped a bit too far one way in trying to balance unfettered honesty and not being a twat - sorry if I've been an unbearable git recently.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Wonder how the far rightists would react to being told St George was a black Palestinian.

Wat?

[Ostroeuropa]

Wonder how the far rightists would react to being told St George was a black Palestinian.

Wat?

There's consistent attempts from sections of the left to demean white people, the west, and any and all accomplishments of european civilization, or appropriate them if possible, and Vassenor apparently hangs out with these people, so he'll come out with stuff like this on occasion. You've just got to lower your expectations around progressives and you won't be surprised when they start saying this stuff.

You can think it's a big problem, or you can think its irrelevant and these types can be ignored, but that's what's going on here and why you'll see bizarre claims like this surfacing.

I don't think vassenor made it up. I think they just listen and believe. I also don't think they'll take this moment to wonder if the sources he uses might have a racist agenda. Again, whether you think that agenda is important to fight against or whether it's a sideshow is irrelevant, that's what's going on here. I think it's important, some others think it's not.