UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Napkiraly]

Also it's come up so much now my predictive text has started feeding me "socialist" every time I write the word "dangerous".

Our cunning and dangerously socialist plan is one step closer to eternal victory.

Forwards, comrades.

[Salandriagado]

Who buys a telivision, and then only watches shows 'on demand' or recorded programmes? Very few people.

I own a television. I have never, ever, watched a live broadcast (in the sense that requires you to pay a license fee) on it.

The point is that even if you do not watch the BBC, you have to pay a license fee. And that isn't right.

No. You pay a tax to the government for your use of government-managed airwaves. The government has chosen to assign that tax to paying for a specific government provision.

[Napkiraly]

Hell, I never had to pay for my laptop because I never watched live broadcasts. Of course, that was when the BBC iPlayer loophole was still around. Bastards.

[Salandriagado]

We've had this debate, and I doubt either of us will shift, because of my dangerous socialism and your economic-libertarianism-but-not-that-libertarian.

So you are suggesting I support large market regulations, and high taxes?
I think you should put some effort into researching economic libertarianism.

The former, yes: I've already listed some of the regulations in question (your opposition to free movement of labour and goods, your support for the banning of owning, trading and producing certain goods, etc.). The latter, no.

Televisions can be used for a myriad of other things than watching live television. With a smart television, you can watch catch-up, on-demand, recorded and even internet "television" (ie Netflix etc).

That said I assume recorded footage is sketchy, since you are using the live broadcast. But anyway, one can watch television without watching live television, and thus without needing a TV licence. A TV can be used for a gaming console (or several), most of the recent ones within the last decade being equipped with the same catch-up and internet services as a smart TV. They can also be used as a computer monitor (and I assume a computer monitor can also be used as TV).

You can watch DVDs etc as well.

Most people watch television channels live, but not necessarily the BBC. Thus, people could be paying for the BBC without watching it.

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Do you think the Government should have the power, outside of a state of emergency such as a nuclear strike, to tell a channel what to broadcast?

Sure. The BBC isn't, and shouldn't be, a channel that they do so with, aside from the general regulations that apply to other channels as well, but yes.

[Dooom35796821595]

Hell, I never had to pay for my laptop because I never watched live broadcasts. Of course, that was when the BBC iPlayer loophole was still around. Bastards.

Unless they start requiring a login for Iplayer that's going to be unenforceable.

*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
Government, we're here to check if your using BBC iPlayer."
"One moment."
*close tab, delete history.*

[Souseiseki]

Back in the 80s Tory students wanted to legalise heroin and whatnot. Norman Tebbit had to wind up the Federation of Conservative Students when they tried passing a motion calling Harold MacMillan a traitor or something. Young Bright Tories may have some very weird beliefs but inevitably soften as they get older, particularly if they go into politics.

I met a young Tory in the 80s who wanted a law to allow criminals' legs to be set on fire as they were hanged. He was strangely specific about how hanging wasn't a severe enough punishment.

remember kids, your torture fantasies are legal as long as they're not sexy, regardless of how obvious it is that you're totally getting off on it

Hell, I never had to pay for my laptop because I never watched live broadcasts. Of course, that was when the BBC iPlayer loophole was still around. Bastards.

Unless they start requiring a login for Iplayer that's going to be unenforceable.

*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
Government, we're here to check if your using BBC iPlayer."
"One moment."
*close tab, delete history.*

post your face when the government actually does want to start forcing age/identify verification on as many sites as they can get away with.

hmm, that would be a problem for them maybe. if only there was some way for them to watch every single thing you've done on the internet for the past year that has already been proven to be used by the police for large assortments of crimes of varying severity. that would really mess your shit up. luckily we have learned our lessons from the past and wouldn't let that bullshit happen. ha ha.

[The Nihilistic view]

Try and clear your mind. How often do I even mention my class let alone use it as a justification for any of my arguments. You can't go a page without shoehorning something about yours into the conversation. You can't complain therefore when people use it as an argument whether seriously or taking the piss because you use it in an entirely serious manner.

Obama is not saying how black he is every five minutes, May is not pointing out how she is better because she is a woman. It's a difference you can't seem to grasp, it's not the most strenuous of mental tasks to see that either. And it goes right back to my joke about leading a £250,000 horse to water, it's not seemingly entirely a joke either. You bang on and on about education, yours verses other people's yet things like this that are so blindingly obvious it every single person in this thread can see you can't see.

You bring class into this thread about ten times as much as the next man (or woman). If you don't want people to make it about class don't use your class as part of your arguments. It's a very simple solution.

Nihil, why are you trying to use reason?

At this point? I don't actually know.

[Souseiseki]

Obama is not saying how black he is every five minutes

but the republicans told me that obama's domestic policy was basically this?

[Imperializt Russia]

Can you provide evidence that the Government uses the BBC as a hand puppet?

Can you provide evidence that I suggested that they do?

It was heavily implied.

It's all Thatcher's fault. That's when the Conservatives really switched from "We're doing this because it's practical" to "We're doing this because left wing ideas are bad".

Oh Thatcher had a coherent ideological argument, so far I have yet to discern one in Lamadia other than I'm rich you lot are all poor only private schools make you a good person nah nah na nah nah.

Thatcher might have (and obviously few people ITT agree with it), it seems that none of those that have followed her or wished to follow her have had any coherent ideology beyond "Thatcher sold lots of things, so selling things is good, also stand up to experts because IRON LADY".

Actually scratch that last one, I'm apparently part of the red peril now.

I knew it was only a matter of time.

There's only way to prove it...

Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!

Getting selfies with the Military Police stationed at the Downing Street gate doesn't count, by the way.

Oh Thatcher had a coherent ideological argument, so far I have yet to discern one in Lamadia other than I'm rich you lot are all poor nah nah na nah nah.

That's nonsense. Just because you disagree with the Tory mentality, you use the class stereotype around us in the Conservative Party to hit back. Maybe if Labour attempted to argue rather than focus on class (which Thatcher did a lot to eradicate in terms of hindrance,) then you would be elected.
EDIT: Didn't realise that it was Nihil who had posted that.

Says quite a lot about you and your ideological position (or lack thereof), doesn't it?

Also it's come up so much now my predictive text has started feeding me "socialist" every time I write the word "dangerous".

VICTORIOUS

[Dooom35796821595]

I met a young Tory in the 80s who wanted a law to allow criminals' legs to be set on fire as they were hanged. He was strangely specific about how hanging wasn't a severe enough punishment.

remember kids, your torture fantasies are legal as long as they're not sexy, regardless of how obvious it is that you're totally getting off on it

Unless they start requiring a login for Iplayer that's going to be unenforceable.

*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
Government, we're here to check if your using BBC iPlayer."
"One moment."
*close tab, delete history.*

post your face when the government actually does want to start forcing age/identify verification on as many sites as they can get away with.

hmm, that would be a problem for them maybe. if only there was some way for them to watch every single thing you've done on the internet for the past year that has already been proven to be used by the police for large assortments of crimes of varying severity. that would really mess your shit up. luckily we have learned our lessons from the past and wouldn't let that bullshit happen. ha ha.

well it wouldn't be sending me to prison, it'd just act as a signal flair to move to New Zealand.
(Reminder to self, check if New Zealand is a police state before moving there.)

[Napkiraly]

Obama is not saying how black he is every five minutes

but the republicans told me that obama's domestic policy was basically this?

That is an amazing movie.

Nihil, why are you trying to use reason?

At this point? I don't actually know.

It's that dangerous socialism and you know it. If you want to be a True Tory™ you need to purge such things from your body.

[The Nihilistic view]

Hell, I never had to pay for my laptop because I never watched live broadcasts. Of course, that was when the BBC iPlayer loophole was still around. Bastards.

Unless they start requiring a login for Iplayer that's going to be unenforceable.

*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
Government, we're here to check if your using BBC iPlayer."
"One moment."
*close tab, delete history.*

I'm pretty sure the new loophole for students is watch it without the power cable in or something so you are technically doing it under the parents home licence.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Unless they start requiring a login for Iplayer that's going to be unenforceable.

*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
Government, we're here to check if your using BBC iPlayer."
"One moment."
*close tab, delete history.*

I'm pretty sure the new loophole for students is watch it without the power cable in or something so you are technically doing it under the parents home licence.

Yes it is.

[Souseiseki]

remember kids, your torture fantasies are legal as long as they're not sexy, regardless of how obvious it is that you're totally getting off on it



post your face when the government actually does want to start forcing age/identify verification on as many sites as they can get away with.

hmm, that would be a problem for them maybe. if only there was some way for them to watch every single thing you've done on the internet for the past year that has already been proven to be used by the police for large assortments of crimes of varying severity. that would really mess your shit up. luckily we have learned our lessons from the past and wouldn't let that bullshit happen. ha ha.

well it wouldn't be sending me to prison, it'd just act as a signal flair to move to New Zealand.
(Reminder to self, check if New Zealand is a police state before moving there.)

from what i know you're pretty much going to be stuck with a surveillance state wherever you go. your real job is to make sure the police at least aren't utter fucking cunts and use it to go after actual criminals for the most part.

[Olivaero]

well it wouldn't be sending me to prison, it'd just act as a signal flair to move to New Zealand.
(Reminder to self, check if New Zealand is a police state before moving there.)

from what i know you're pretty much going to be stuck with a surveillance state wherever you go. your real job is to make sure the police at least aren't utter fucking cunts and use it to go after actual criminals for the most part.

Just make any communications through platforms that are heavily encrypted like telegram for example, view any websites you don't want to be traced back to through a vpn using a public WiFi hotspot to connect and you should be reasonably safe from any surveilance state domestic or otherwise. Well I say "Just" the second one is a reasonably extreme length to have to go through. but I think the surveillance state was inevitable with the strides technology has taken. Security conscious states were always going to want to make technology work for them rather than the other way around.

[Souseiseki]

Just make any communications through platforms that are heavily encrypted like telegram for example

>implying they're not already trying to make encryption too strong for them to break a crime

[Olivaero]

Just make any communications through platforms that are heavily encrypted like telegram for example

>implying they're not already trying to make encryption too strong for them to break a crime

For the moment though, telegram is widely available. Other solutions can be considered if/when it is made illegal.

[Imperializt Russia]

Unless they start requiring a login for Iplayer that's going to be unenforceable.

*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
Government, we're here to check if your using BBC iPlayer."
"One moment."
*close tab, delete history.*

I'm pretty sure the new loophole for students is watch it without the power cable in or something so you are technically doing it under the parents home licence.

I don't even understand.

[Dooom35796821595]

Just make any communications through platforms that are heavily encrypted like telegram for example

>implying they're not already trying to make encryption too strong for them to break a crime

Which is why greater transparency always tends to help.

Like Cameron trying to ban porn when we all know he has a unhealthy fixation with pigs.

[Vassenor]

Just make any communications through platforms that are heavily encrypted like telegram for example

>implying they're not already trying to make encryption too strong for them to break a crime

Well the government already wants to make all forms of end-to-end encryption illegal.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I'm pretty sure the new loophole for students is watch it without the power cable in or something so you are technically doing it under the parents home licence.

I don't even understand.

What do you not understand?

[Souseiseki]

>implying they're not already trying to make encryption too strong for them to break a crime

Which is why greater transparency always tends to help.

Like Cameron trying to ban porn when we all know he has a unhealthy fixation with pigs.

i wish it happened

i wish cameron had a picture of it

i wish cameron got prosecuted for it

lol j/k MPs can get away with almost fucking anything

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't even understand.

What do you not understand?

This loophole as described. In any part of it.

Without what power cable in what; and what parental home licence?
I assumed by "student" we were talking about people living away from home.

[Olivaero]

It should be noted with the advent of Quantum Computing there will be encryption that the government could never crack available at some point in the future and outlawing commercial usage of QC would put the UK at a serious disadvantage.

[Imperializt Russia]

It should be noted with the advent of Quantum Computing there will be encryption that the government could never crack available at some point in the future and outlawing commercial usage of QC would put the UK at a serious disadvantage.

Lol implying that would stop them.