UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Imperializt Russia]

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The Daily Mail - "It's the immigrants"

That's...

So close to legitimising the killing. I think that just skirts outside of supporting it.

[Hurdergaryp]

The Daily Mail - "It's the immigrants"

That's...

So close to legitimising the killing. I think that just skirts outside of supporting it.

When you're the newspaper that loudly proclaims that judges are the enemies of the people, it only is fair to do what you can in order to reinvent a vile neonazi murderer as a Brexit hero.

[MERIZoC]

The Daily Mail - "It's the immigrants"

That's...

So close to legitimising the killing. I think that just skirts outside of supporting it.

It's really worrying. Never mind legitimizing white supremacy, this is straight up providing excuses for it.

[Ifreann]

I thought the point was to get more British doctors working in the NHS.

Why not both ?

We form people who wants to work here, or we force them for a few years while we refuse formation to those who would simply leave the second they graduated.

I already pointed out how forcing people to work in the NHS if they study medicine in the UK would just lead to fewer people studying medicine in the UK.

[Fartsniffage]

Why not both ?

We form people who wants to work here, or we force them for a few years while we refuse formation to those who would simply leave the second they graduated.

I already pointed out how forcing people to work in the NHS if they study medicine in the UK would just lead to fewer people studying medicine in the UK.

Not really. A British medical degree is one of the most highly respected in the world. There's a reason so many rich foreigners send their kids to study medicine here. Maybe getting a few years work out of them before they go home wouldn't be a terrible idea.

[Ifreann]

I already pointed out how forcing people to work in the NHS if they study medicine in the UK would just lead to fewer people studying medicine in the UK.

Not really. A British medical degree is one of the most highly respected in the world. There's a reason so many rich foreigners send their kids to study medicine here. Maybe getting a few years work out of them before they go home wouldn't be a terrible idea.

I expect that at least some of the rich foreigners in question would send their kids somewhere else to study to be doctors if it meant they could start their careers immediately after qualifying rather than having to put up with however many years of being an NHS junior doctor.

[Imperializt Russia]

I already pointed out how forcing people to work in the NHS if they study medicine in the UK would just lead to fewer people studying medicine in the UK.

Not really. A British medical degree is one of the most highly respected in the world. There's a reason so many rich foreigners send their kids to study medicine here. Maybe getting a few years work out of them before they go home wouldn't be a terrible idea.

Some would choose to send their children to the US instead. Some foreign parents may decide to try and fill this gap in foreign medicine students.

Many home students probably wouldn't bother, leaving us with a shortfall.

[Fartsniffage]

Not really. A British medical degree is one of the most highly respected in the world. There's a reason so many rich foreigners send their kids to study medicine here. Maybe getting a few years work out of them before they go home wouldn't be a terrible idea.

I expect that at least some of the rich foreigners in question would send their kids somewhere else to study to be doctors if it meant they could start their careers immediately after qualifying rather than having to put up with however many years of being an NHS junior doctor.

So we fall back on the about 10 to 1 ratio of applicants to places for medicine. It costs the NHS around £600,000 to get a doctor through FO2 status, I don't think it's completely unfair that the taxpayer should see some returns on that investment.

[Salandriagado]

There's just not enough high-quality interest back in the UK, and coupled with the fact that we're also one of the biggest exporters of doctors as well, we have a massive shortfall.
And it's not just doctors, we're importing like 20% of our nurses as well.

I've often seen the idea of forcing newly graduated medical students to work at least X amount (Let's say 5 to 10 years) of time in the country that formed them before being allowed to leave the country. It seems harsh, but considering their formation and salary are being paid with taxpayer's money, I think it's an idea that should strongly be considered.

That will outright reduce the numbers of doctors available.

[Hydesland]

I've often seen the idea of forcing newly graduated medical students to work at least X amount (Let's say 5 to 10 years) of time in the country that formed them before being allowed to leave the country. It seems harsh, but considering their formation and salary are being paid with taxpayer's money, I think it's an idea that should strongly be considered.

That will outright reduce the numbers of doctors available.

If what Fartsniffage says is true, we already have a huge excess demand for medical degrees compared to places offered - so this demand could be reduced without reducing the number of graduates.

[Eastfield Lodge]

That will outright reduce the numbers of doctors available.

If what Fartsniffage says is true, we already have a huge excess demand for medical degrees compared to places offered - so this demand could be reduced without reducing the number of graduates.

However, you do run the real risk of reducing quality of the applicants.

[Fartsniffage]

If what Fartsniffage says is true, we already have a huge excess demand for medical degrees compared to places offered - so this demand could be reduced without reducing the number of graduates.

However, you do run the real risk of reducing quality of the applicants.

Not really. At that level the differences in quality of the applicants who make it through to interview depend on whether or not the interviewer likes them for the place.

[Imperializt Russia]

If what Fartsniffage says is true, we already have a huge excess demand for medical degrees compared to places offered - so this demand could be reduced without reducing the number of graduates.

However, you do run the real risk of reducing quality of the applicants.

I'd go so far as to say that half of those applicants simply don't have the qualifications to meet the requirements of course admission.

I know that for vets, it's very, very common for unsuccessful applicants to do a Biomed (biovet?) degree and then use that as a springboard to a full vet degree. The success rate from that route is very high. About two thirds of vets and vet students I know went via that route.

[Fartsniffage]

[Imperializt Russia]

The real question to ask should probably be, "why have places fallen significantly".
Also, "why did it fall after the Tories took power", "why did it fall after tuition fees went up despite applications going up" and "why were more spaces not created because that was probably the base problem all along"

[Fartsniffage]

The real question to ask should probably be, "why have places fallen significantly".
Also, "why did it fall after the Tories took power", "why did it fall after tuition fees went up despite applications going up" and "why were more spaces not created because that was probably the base problem all along"

Medical training cost the NHS a lot of money. £200,000ish for the 5 year degree and then another £600,000ish for FO1 and FO2 years.

The Tories just went on an austerity spree. Extrapolate from there.....

[The Archregimancy]

I'm currently in southern Chile without much in the way of internet access.

Which is essentially me saying 'feel free to start the next version of the thread without me'.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm currently in southern Chile without much in the way of internet access.

Which is essentially me saying 'feel free to start the next version of the thread without me'.

You can't be the only British mod?

[The Archregimancy]

I'm currently in southern Chile without much in the way of internet access.

Which is essentially me saying 'feel free to start the next version of the thread without me'.

You can't be the only British mod?

I'm not.

But I might be the only one who A) regularly posts in NSG and B) has any particular interest in this thread.

You don't need me, Fartsniffage. Fly, my little ones - be free!

[Fartsniffage]

You can't be the only British mod?

I'm not.

But I might be the only one who A) regularly posts in NSG and B) has any particular interest in this thread.

You don't need me, Fartsniffage. Fly, my little ones - be free!

You just said that in NSG. And I thought you were smart.....

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm currently in southern Chile without much in the way of internet access.

Which is essentially me saying 'feel free to start the next version of the thread without me'.

You can't be the only British mod?

Well, if you're a good little boy, maybe Santa will bring you a banhammer

[Vassenor]

So am I going to have to think up a less than witty pun again?

In news news:

Things the Daily Mail considers more newsworthy than Jo Cox's murderer being jailed: News reports about 'laughing migrants', photos of a bikini-clad model taking a shower and the headline news that Santa is not real.

For reference, the only other paper that didn't put it on the front page was the Financial Times. The Mail, meanwhile, buried it on page 30.

[Imperializt Russia]

Under the universal laws of dibs and bants, I claim the next OP.

Unless I'm asleep then (I've become legit nocturnal, trying to kick it atm).

Git posting.

So am I going to have to think up a less than witty pun again?

In news news:

Things the Daily Mail considers more newsworthy than Jo Cox's murderer being jailed: News reports about 'laughing migrants', photos of a bikini-clad model taking a shower and the headline news that Santa is not real.

For reference, the only other paper that didn't put it on the front page was the Financial Times. The Mail, meanwhile, buried it on page 30.

Legit, how can the Mail actually be so trash?

[Philjia]

Reuters have found out that thousands of shell companies dealing in porn, dating sites, and diets, among other things, have been being routing their mail through Consett, County Durham to give foreign companies a UK address. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-38097382

Consett was an ideal place to set this up. It's a dead end town where money is tight, so people would take any opportunity to make a bit of cash.

[Souseiseki]

i still think the title should be "hope is a lie"